| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/23/2008 11:15:16 PM | Lol yup so close to making it eliminated 2 weeks prior to the playoffs. Like someone else said it wasn't really the Flames winning the knocked them out but the Preds winning their games when it counted. I haven't googled this but I only remember the Oilers in the final vs Carolina in the last 12 years. oh yes it was an empty net that sealed the deal. Keep on taking jabs at teams that MAKE the PLAYOFFS.
when you make it, you have a chance when you don't you complain of every canadian team that does.
Thats a problem in edmonton either cheer for canada or don't bother watching hockey.
What is it Go Oilers Go or US you have the cup,
Ranger and yup I did get the chance to read past forum messages now. Looks like a lot of Bombers and Patriots hate me too. Suck it go learn to win as well..
16-0 and choke in the final how sweet was that. | |
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/23/2008 11:50:20 PM | Lol google this Richards was Never FLAME
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Richards
Look him up before you post we never drafted him.
I never said he actually played a game as an ungodly Flame. The Flames could have had him but they traded away their pick for a bag of pucks. The Flames traded their third round draft pick (which became Richards) and change away for Jason Weimer...lol Perhaps you need to look a little deeper next time so you don't look so foolish.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/trade_deadline/feature/?fid=6033&hubname=
March 24, 1998 - Tampa Bay obtained RW Sandy McCarthy, a third-round draft pick in 1998 (F Brad Richards) and a fifth-round choice from Calgary for C Jason Weimer.
Richards has developed into a pivotal centre for the Lightning. He was awarded the Conn Smythe Trophy as playoff MVP in 2004 after he totaled 26 points in the post season, including seven game-winning goals. Richards also won the Lady Byng trophy in 2004
Another link:
http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com/2008/02/nhl-trade-deadline-turning-draft-picks.html
And another:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=amber_david&id=3258808
Notice the common theme...it was listed in several most-notable trades lists. A screw up on the Flames part. The amazing thing is that it only took 6 years for that trade to come back and bite you guys on your flaming arses as Richards was voted the Conn Smythe winner that helped facilitate your return to the golf course that was your home for seven long postseasons. Ah, the memories! | |
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/24/2008 1:47:20 AM | Lol remember Sutter left the Sharks and we got Kipper for a 3rd round pick I forgot who they got I think it was Marco Sturm who is now a Bruin. Richards is not Iginla or Conroy anyways so he would not have fit on the team had we drafted him, he plays his own style of game and that doesn't fit with the way we play. I do accept we lost to a better team but making the playoffs you have a chance 84 and 52 points get you nowhere, How long did he last on Tampa before going to Dallas. Tampa might get Steve but Vinny is coming with us or unless he opts to go to Dallas we'll see July 1st.
Amazing how the Oiler fans love to pick on Flame fans when you can't even make the dance. My roomie is an Oiler fan and it was him that made this statement. Like Uber said see ya in the next round sept or oct.
PS Richards is not a team player, he plays for himself, maybe being an Oiler fan your not used to team players.. Not an attack on the Oil but read what Richards said after he went to Dallas, He's glad he's gone come July edm is f*cked either way.
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/24/2008 1:55:01 AM | Is it the Oilers passing the putter to us or the Leafs, at least both have great spring golfing experience the last 2 years, This thread is probably going to die fast but any Flame haters can keep it going as long as you remember 84 points.
Keep it up til next season I can keep going since we got to game 7 and weren't snuffed out.
Wanna jaw or rib some more keep it up I'm sure other Flames fans have stats for you. Otherwise I'll just bugger off to bed for now that is. | |
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/24/2008 4:15:58 AM | "Wanna jaw or rib some more keep it up I'm sure other Flames fans have stats for you."
OK first off, I'm wondering what 84 points refers to? Is it just a random number? Wow. It's a stat. Congrats.
Sunday.
Hey look. That's a day.
Second off, holy smokes ranger ... never really seen someone so proud of an underachievement like the Flames had this year. Yep ok you win. Let's see ... completely veteran line-up, average age on team, 29.2 years, equals three home playoff dates and entry into the post-season on the second last day of the regular season.
Hmmm ... just a guess here, and I realize we'll have to wait three years to find out, but I'd be willing to bet right now that should the Oilers keep their roster intact, three years down the road, once they have the age and experience of the Calgary Flames, that Sam Gagner & co. will supply Darryl Katz with more than three hopme playoff games.
The Flames were supposed to take a serious run at the cup this season. The Oilers were supposed to finish bottom 5 in the league. Tell me again which team underachieved?
Oh wait. I forgot. First round playoff exit. Never mind. You Flames did everything you do every season. Congrats. | |
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/24/2008 3:09:33 PM | Yeah I guess we make it to the first round and lose while the Oil like to choke before the playoffs. I'm sure some Flame fans out there have stats you'll love from this season :) We're both toast and it's only my replying that keeps this going so we'll see everyone next season But I do agree the Oilers should keep their current roster maybe add a player or 2 and make Garon #1 he's exciting to watch just like Kipper
Used to be a goalie I loved to watch but he played on dallas til he got hammered and tried to bribe a cop with a BILLION dollars. I don't like Dallas I'm pretty sure edmonton doesn't like them and I do hope the Oil make the playoffs next season and not against Dallas. Hoping Calgary and the Oil can meet in the playoffs sometimes soon I hate having to go all the way down to Calgary to watch a playoff game live. Pondering going down east for a habs game.
Katz wants a downtown arena, now he is commited to keeping the team here as Fox pointed out to me but remember that clause if he doesn't get his new arena he can do what he wants with the team. Oakland Oilers. New Orlean Oilers Orlando Oilers sounds better but I need the team to stay as well it's cheaper this way to see Flames games.
PS we didn't under achieve we did our goal and made the playoffs game 7 just didn't turn out like game 6. I think the Oilers under achieved they should have played Garon more than roloson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgpYG93gVEU&feature=related
Anyways when the Oil make the Playoffs we can debate this more. Until then I'll take my chances each first round as we seem to play the top teams.
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/24/2008 3:15:17 PM | PS How often do you come down to see oiler games I see about 15-20 home games a year and about 5 calgary home games. Being a Flames fan doesn't mean I don't like to see the Oilers live there's teams I hate like the Nucks Dallas and the Leafs and I enjoy when edmonton beats them If rent was cheap in Calgary I'd live there.
Rent is cheap in Grande Prairie but most likely you own your home already.
I'm going to kill this thread I'm sure the Habs one is going to start and be more american warfare.
Go Habs Go or Go Canada go. | |
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/24/2008 3:50:11 PM | Rent is cheap in GP? Not if you want any luxuries ... like a roof
I get to about 10 games a year. I work at 5 a.m. so it restricts me to Saturday games.
As for Garon, I'm not a big fan to be honest. I think it's one of the areas the Oilers ned to improve upon if they are going to be taken seriously. But there's really nothing out there on the UFA market for goalies this summer, so here's hoping he improves. 29th best GAA in the league and 22nd best save percentage doesn't add up to star quality in my books. | |
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/24/2008 4:43:05 PM | PP
check what tick posted about Garon in the oiler thread - I don't think he is quite that bad, but it depends on what end of the stats one reads I guess.
Ranger
there is a Habs thread, seen it earlier this week, try checking page 2 or 3 on here. | |
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/24/2008 8:11:50 PM | "come July edm is f*cked either way."
How do you figure that? The Oilers have the majority of their team signed (just Pitkanen, Stoll and their 4th liners left) and they still have 15M of cap space.
The Flames have 8 UFA forwards and only 12M to play with. I'd say the Oil are in better shape than the Flames in that respect. | |
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/24/2008 9:35:52 PM | LMFAO....
I told my good friend and calgary fan this early in this last season. the biggest difference between the oilers and flames was that at least we get to watch the oilers learn and improve during the season. they where after all the boys on the school bus and yes they did learn several painful lessons early in the season. calgary however consistently craps the bed at the end of the season. the oilers overachieved if you look at where they where expected to finish in the standings. A lineup full of rookies and a team rebuilding put on one hell of a show and you can be guaranteed that detroit wanted nothing to do with E-town in the first round. flames fans are gonna have sore necks next season. from looking up the standings and seeing the oilers on top. take it to the bank. all the key players are signed. be assured that raffi is gonna be gone by the time next season starts. Prairie you are bang on. the flames are up sh*t creek when it comes to cap room and signing the rest of the "team" if you can call it that. they consistently believe that a single forward and a goalie can win a cup and as such will continue to sputter out in the post season.
how many times have the flames made it past the first round since '89???? bet a one fingered monkey can answer that question and be correct.
look forward to continuing this discussion next season
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/24/2008 9:46:07 PM | Hey if Yoy don't want Garon I'm sure the Flames would love him Cujo likely gone we have Kipper and Irving and How OLD is roloson now maybe 2-3 years left in him then what Garon is your future and I do like the way he plays reminds me of Roy or a young Brodeur.
Put it this way would you like Cloutier in goal for the Oil 99% I doubt it. Garon is the goalie for the future thats why they got him, and like Kipper for next to nothing. I still think Garon was a steal. LA really didn't have a defence for him to deal with at least the Oilers do. If you don't want him Calgary has a d that is his style..
Also no way for sure Iving is going to be our backup we might trade him to move up in the draft..
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/24/2008 9:56:52 PM | We signed our big players. Important ones like my roomie says when the Oilers make the playoffs again and he's an Oiler fan then they can prove what money well spent is sorry but I think he's right Gotta make the playoffs to have a chance at the cup he's indeed right about that.
Also he did point out as someone else did Calgary didn't eliminate the Oilers Nashville did it earlier on. Still gonna go see Oiler games and some Flame games. just have to wait til next season.
I wanna see a flames Oil game with Fox. win or lose.
As for the rest of the Oiler fans and I didn't know this til today. Coach Mac T id a drunk driver killer. At first I didn't believe it then I looked it up., Then again Larry Robison is a teen rapist or whatever you call it having sex with a minor. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2008 10:05:29 PM | Rent is cheap in GP compared to edmonton Calgary and Fort Mac. Not picking on the city been there twice really nice place, really nice place clean place too. Do you really need a roof in GP do you get slammed with 3 feet of snow over javascript:smilie(' ')
javascript:smilie('')night like Edmonton and Calgary.
As I said only been there twice Nice chicks there when I went in 2001 hopefully you got to marry one of them.
Off to rent and stuff no more picking on the Oilers unless I am provoked. I'm more interested in pi$$ing off patriot fans now and as to why we Giants fans suck just cos we beat them.
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Posted: 4/24/2008 10:18:10 PM | Loved the goal with 30 secs left went to do my grocieries and try get home for OT. By the time I got to save on I heard this huge roar and missed the goal til I got home Kinda sucks to miss it but they won. Flames are my #1 team Habs always been my nemisis but they remain #2 for me. always will.
I gotta stop replying to posts here or this will go on all year. Most of the oiler fans have all pi$$ed of away anyways. I'll check out the Habs thread in the morning.
Go Habs Go, and to that american moron who said Canada would get blown away by russia, hmmm 8-0 the other way. The other championship starts now and Iggy and Vinny will be playing together. Sign of things to come. I think there will be a few Oiler players there as I belive Gagne is canadian Almost friday ti me for an english keyboard.
Y'all have a good week, sorry if some of my messages get offensive during playoffs. You'll know why 2 million patriot fans hate me for predicting the would lose by the exact score :) Lucky guess. | |
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/25/2008 12:29:49 AM | and as such will continue to sputter out in the post season.
Or as I like to say.................... "SUTTER out"
That's the flames problem right there.... get rid of the phsycho, and build a team once and for all. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 2:38:03 AM | Not sure if I should say this or Not Fox. Sutter when he was coach was decent he was rough on his players from time to time. He didn't go out driving drunk and kill someone like another coach If you can attack Sutter I can attack Drunk Mac T is that fair. :)
I know you like Mac T and all but do you know about his past mind you the Sutter kids used to get beat up a lot too.
PS we're trying to build a team we're not in a smith and smythe sale.Ask Lupul if he enjoys where he is now :)
Maybe not after game 1 but I'm sure he's not shoveling snow or golfing. I somehow knew that either you or PD would respond.
I want Keenan to go back to his mean old ways he's gotten soft as he got older.
MMMM Butter | |
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/25/2008 3:59:40 AM | "Oh sorry 84 points is what doesn't get you into the playoffs I figured Oiler and Nuckz fans knew that. 91 Usually barely get you in"
Well then I understand my confusion. The Oilers have never scored 84 points in a season, so like I said ... random number ... Sunday. As for 91 points usually being enough, I beg to differ. This season was the first sinve the advent of the shootout where 91 points got you in. In fact, Colorado missed the playoffs last year with 95.
In regards to Garon, I agree totally. He is a quite capale BACK-UP GOALIE. Of course you'd take hm for Cujo. The question is, would you take him for Kipper?
Absolutely it was a great signing by MacT. He signed him as a back-up to Roloson. But I can list you, just off the top of my head, 25 teams that would NOT trade their number-one goalie for Mathieu Garon straight across. I can also think of as many as 28 teams (with the possible exception of Detroit) that WOULD take Garon straight cross for their back-up goalie. So we are in agreement there. Mathieu Garon is a very good back-up goalie ... among the best in the league. Now if the Oilers can just sign a Number-1 guy, they'd ne set. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 12:26:11 PM | You know something, all of this garbage being spewed both ways, and the big points are being missed. - I am a Nucks fan, and scared to hell about Gillis and the Idiot Aquilinis are going to do to my team. I figure its another 10 yrs of losing hockey ahead with all of the uncertainty and knee jerk reactions that are going to plague Van city. That being said, I will never change alegences and love my team til the bitter end.
With that outta the way, lets take a look at the two AB teams. Edmonton, full of youth, talent and depth. Loads of cap room and RFA assets to re-sign or move depending on Lowe's decisions. Hes taken a team that he had to gut last year, and rebuilt it in one year. Regardless if you agree with how he did it - ie offer sheet - he made the Oil relevant agian in one offseason. With a healthy Souray and Moreau, I have no problem saying that the Oil would have been in the playoffs easily.
Now Calgary.... what have they got? A superstar in Iggy, and three very over rated players in Phagoof, Kipprasucks and Regeahr that is their supposed core. Regeahr is a good defenceman, dont get me wrong, hes solid but hes not as good a shut down guy as evey says he is. If he was, the Sedin sisters wouldn't own him every time they play Cal.
Phagoof is not a Norris trophy guy, on any other defence corps in the league hes #4-5 not 1-2. He enjoys notariaty because of the mins he plays and the limitations of every other defenceman Calgary has. What really drops his stock for me is the arrogance and after whistle bush league crap he does.
Kipprasucks is a system tender. Hes fairly solid on first shots, as long as the defence infront of him is a defensive minded group and kills themselves to clear rebounds, not the offensive minded group that Sutter has assembled now. Calgary since 2004 has gotten rid of their defensive defenceman and replaced them with aging offensive minded guys that have very periodic brain farts in their own end. Consequently Kipprasucks numbers have gotten worse yearly. Put him back in a system thats clamp down defensively and hes likely a Vezina guy again. Why do you think he was #3 in San Jose?
Add to that its an aging and very overrated lineup ( Lombardi a top 6 guy? come on now ) with many FAs that are going to run away. Who will they be replaced with? Farm guys? There is no one on the farm. The Flames are about to crash... and crash hard.
So to sum it all up, of the three NW division Canadian teams, the Nucks and Flames are headed for the basement and top draft picks (until their GMS trade them at the deadline to try to save their own skins) while the Oil are looking to add a few small pieces to charge to the top next year.
Go ahead Flamers try and dispute any of that - that is if you can pull yourselves away from your colouring books long enough.......... | |
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/25/2008 12:37:12 PM | oh is that post ever going to get some of these guys going - rangerz - comes to mind
that said, without watching as much hockey as the well informed in here do, I have to agree, at least in principal, not the fine points per say. I have said most of teh way along, the Flames don't have a "Team" they have a star, maybe 2 (not entirely sure I agreed with the kipper comment/facts - but not 'educated' enough in stats to stand my ground) and point blank, PLAYERS don't win hockey games, TEAMS do.
a nice post nucks, well written and enjoyable to read, and not even bashing in content.
still say it is going to rile the Flames masses though. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 1:03:53 PM | Yup, agreed. And pretty much my prediction for the next few years too Nucks. A few fans here already get pretty fired up over very little ribbing and heckling though. Scared to think of what a few years of the Flames impersonating doormats might lead to. "Indictable offenses" comes to mind.
Kidding neighbors.  (put away your arms)
FORE! | |
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/25/2008 5:32:05 PM |
a nice post nucks, well written and enjoyable to read, and not even bashing in content.
I totally AGREE!! 
As for Kipprusoff, his time is up, I'm afraid. He is the "pat me on the back" kind of player that NO team wants or needs. If Kip ain't happy, and his ego not pumped, then the entire team feels his "pain". Ego in hockey is one thing, but when that guy struts out, it's so evident what it is that he needs to play a decent game.
When they hired Keenan, I KNEW Kip would have a bad year, because Keenan is NOT the type of coach who will stroke egos for a game win.... | |
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Posted: 4/25/2008 8:19:29 PM | "a nice post nucks, well written and enjoyable to read, and not even bashing in content."
lol... nope, not bashing at all.
I almost feel compelled to defend the Flames after reading that .... ALMOST | |
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| Flames post season tradition: the passing of the putter
Posted: 4/26/2008 12:20:04 AM | Uhm not to pi$$ on your season but wasn't Roberto touted to get you the cup? And yet he might he's a great goalie at times Still nothing close to Kipper or Irving. As for those wondering about Irving they would be the same ones wondering 2 years ago who Price was.
Any wakeups about Jonathon Tavares. the kid that will replace Croz and Ovie in one package.
PS as long as we make the first round we can have our shot if we can get the Nuckz in round 1 every year we'll be happy. Uhm ps Robyn has put daniel and Henrik in the hospital just from hits. Dunno if you are watching old CHL or new nhl games. He's like Dion a very aggresive player Aren't the nucks the ones who sent Bertuzzi on a mission to kill moore. please don't get me wrong on thing I saw the stick swing Moore did on Markus and no PENALTY
Now I know I will piss a lot of people off here but I like what Bertuzzi did I just dont like that 3 ams players jumped on his back further driving moores face into the ice. If you did that to Sid or Ovie and got away with it the next game you are dead.
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