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Raven1
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Joined: 9/14/2004
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Raven1
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Joined: 9/14/2004
Msg: 27 | |
| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 11/15/2005 11:59:19 PM | THANK YOU!
THANK YOU!
*takes a bow and goes off to smoke a joint and kill some more of those brain cells he depleted when he was younger*
may i indulge you in a puff dawn?
   
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Posted: 11/16/2005 12:13:30 AM | | The most potent brain cell-killer is alcohol..it does this by depleting "B" vitamins with vitamin B being the most important for normal brain function as well as Magnesium(essentional for nerve function) and has a dehydrating effect on the brain and wreaking havoc with the fat tissues within the nerve cells since alcohol is fat-soluble. It is true heavy marijuana use can cause short-term memory loss but this will dissipatate when you refrain. But I cant say in good good faith that marijuana doesnt cause brain damage since it does. Then again so do cigarettes...inhaling carbon monoxide does cause brain damage regardless of where it orginates from. But it is understandable why alcohol remains legal..anything that makes and keeps people stupid is a very desirable objective for a government. I've noticed well over half of the profiles stating "must not use drugs". It really is regrettable to see people actually give one of the most evil men living today (G.W.Bush--pipsqueek extraordinaire) credence and fall for all his right-wing idiotic policies. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 12:13:58 AM | Can nonSmokers handle smokers?
In a word. O.kay two words,..
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...... EMPHATICALLY NO!
They can not.
Kind of in the same way as cigarettes, but throw in a massive dose of "holier than thou"
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Posted: 11/16/2005 12:14:08 AM | | The most potent brain cell-killer is alcohol..it does this by depleting "B" vitamins with vitamin B1 being the most important for normal brain function as well as Magnesium(essentional for nerve function) and has a dehydrating effect on the brain and wreaking havoc with the fat tissues within the nerve cells since alcohol is fat-soluble. It is true heavy marijuana use can cause short-term memory loss but this will dissipatate when you refrain. But I cant say in good good faith that marijuana doesnt cause brain damage since it does. Then again so do cigarettes...inhaling carbon monoxide does cause brain damage regardless of where it orginates from. But it is understandable why alcohol remains legal..anything that makes and keeps people stupid is a very desirable objective for a government. I've noticed well over half of the profiles stating "must not use drugs". It really is regrettable to see people actually give one of the most evil men living today (G.W.Bush--pipsqueek extraordinaire) credence and fall for all his right-wing idiotic policies. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 12:36:13 AM | I'd be able to deal with an occasional smoke on their part, but I'd never touch the garbage myself.
They'd have to tolerate my disdain if they expect me to tolerate their now and then habit. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 12:46:24 AM | Okay if you have smoked weed for several years now and yet in ur profile do you do drugs? It says no. So that tells me one of two things. Either option 1 Weed has killed two many brain cells and you have spasms on memory loss as to if u do it at the time or Option 2 your Just as much of a Trash talking Lyin SOB that one can spread online? I think Option Both? Get ur lies and stories straight. You will never meet a decent normal guy that way. Lying is a crime and if under the write cercumstances it is punishiable by law under perjury. Bottom Line cut the BS. And just be Honest. I dont smoke dope, but have grown use to ppl around me that have as long as they dont do it often. But You on the Other hand, people like you make people like me more disapproving of it. If you Do it, fess up, dont lie to everyone on the internet and come here and post replys. Ur doubletalkin urself, and makin you look like an idiot. Thanks for giving me the oppertunity to shut you down. Oh wait... you already did that your self when you lied. As far as the rest of you. I am not all up and heavily against it, so dont get on my case. If you Smoke It proudly, Admit it proudly. Its ur choice not mine and i respect that. So respect everyone else that respects your right and be honest with them. Nothin Ticks me off more than a lier, especially a potsmoker who lies about it. Have some dignity man  | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 12:59:25 AM | than a lier, especially a potsmoker who lies about it. Have some dignity man maybe because its illegal? lol..you never know who is on the other end of this machine..cops are doing alot of online bust... pot does not kill your brain cells...read this again..lol..btw i dont smoke.
Two new scientific studies have failed to find evidence
of brain damage in monkeys exposed to marijuana, undercutting
claims that marijuana causes brain damage in humans.
The studies were conducted by two independent
research groups. The first, conducted by Dr. William Slikker,
Jr. and others at the National Center for Toxicological Research
in Arkansas examined some 64 rhesus monkeys, half of which
were exposed to daily or weekly doses of marijuana smoke for
a year. The other, by Gordon T. Pryor and Charles Rebert at SRI
International in Menlo Park, California, which is still
unpublished, looked at over 30 rhesus monkeys that had inhaled
marijuana one to three times a day over periods of 6 to 12
months. Neither study found evidence of structural or
neurochemical changes in the brains of the monkeys when
examined a few months after cessation of smoking.
References:
William Slikker, Jr. et al, "Chronic Marijuana Smoke Exposure in the Rhesus
Monkey," Fundamental and Applied Toxicology 17: 321-32 (1991)
Guy Cabral et al, "Chronic Marijuana Smoke Alters Alveolar Macrophage
Morphology and Protein Expression, Pharmacology Biochemistry and
Behavior 40: 643-9 (1991)
Merle Paule et al., "Chronic Marijuana Smoke Exposure in the Rhesus Monkey
II: Effects on Progressive Ratio and Conditioned Position
Responding," Journal of Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics
260: 210-22 (1992) | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 1:04:08 AM | | gentleman, if you are talking about me, read the ENTIRE profile....I DO admit and then explain WHY I put NO to the drugs answer....won't go into it here, if you are THAT interested to know you will go and see for yourself. | |
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Raven1
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Joined: 9/14/2004
Msg: 36 | |
| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 11/16/2005 1:14:42 AM | EXCUSE ME? 
If that commentary was directed at me, you are gravely mistaken in your feeble-minded thoughts. I think perhaps you need to have your head examined. I stated I USED to smoke. I smoked Marijuana from the age of 16 upward you ignoramus!
Now I prefer going out with friends to a club or a bar and endulging in a few drinks, perhaps over some pool or just sitting through conversation as opposed to smoking. I have no reason to lie or hide anything. If others are disapproving of how I live my life that's their perogative. As long as they keep their opinions to themselves. I don't really care what others think of me. I don't need anyone's praise or acceptance.
As for meeting "a decent guy". Are you blind you simpleton? Do you not see my pic?
(unlike you without one, I have NOTHING to hide btw).
I AM A MALE!!!! MALE!!! MALE!!!
NOW WHY WOULD I BE LOOKING TO MEET ANOTHER MAN?
As for you and your "disapproving" of it. I couldn't care less of what you approve and disapprove of. I do not know you, you mean NOTHING to me. You have proven yourself ignorant AND arrogant. You are a dim-witted individual.
Do yourself a favour and go back to school. Come back here when you can properly compose a sentence.
Don't talk to me about frying brain cells. I still have more than you ever had!
You have not shut me down but have only proven your mental defeciency. The fact that you are thick in your head and irrational!
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Raven1
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Joined: 9/14/2004
Msg: 37 | |
| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 11/16/2005 1:28:56 AM | Dawn, I'm not sure who he's referring to. I thought you had drugs listed as "yes" in your profile and therefore he was attacking me.
It also might have been the way he lashed out and some of the things he said that made me believe it was directed towards another male. That and "have some dignity man" at the end of his useless drivel.
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Posted: 11/16/2005 1:42:43 AM | | I'm not really sure who he meant Raven, nor do I really care. Not gonna keep me up all night worrying about it. Some people on this site seem to HAVE the NEED to bash others in order to make THEMSELVES feel and look better. Sad, but true. They spend countless hours searching for people to flame on. Little known fact to them, it doesn't hurt me nor upset me. I know who I am and my friends accept me for who I am, and vice versa. Therefor, I consider myself a very lucky woman. I don't have YES on the drugs question on my profile but I DO go into depth about my use of marijuana and the reason I don't have drugs marked yes...I don't do anything but marijuana and that is only every once in a while. There are many drugs and substances that I have NEVER and will NEVER partake in. I chose to explain this all in my profile. If a man is not reading my entire profile and merely going on a few yes or no questions and pics, it is HIS fault for being mis-informed as to who I am. Maybe the gentleman needs to get past the quick scan of the profiles and READ them ENTIRELY before passing JUDGEMENT. Hey, wait, I still don't know if he meant me or not...LOL But anyways.....Raven, don't sweat it, there is always someone out there to disagree with your opinion, some just do it in an intelligent way, some just babble incoherantly...we just have to deal with it I guess. Tis LIFE. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 2:16:16 AM | | A friend of mine has hiding his daily habit from his wife for 18 years. He is successfull, has 2 daughters on the honor roll, and has the best marriage of anyone I know. Yet when he drinks he becomes somewhat of an a-ss. His wife is fine with his drinking, yet if she found out he was smoking marijuana, I'm pretty sure it would be instant divorce, heartbreak, child support etc. I find it strange that there is such an inbalance of values when it comes to something we are told is illegal. | |
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kmhstx
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Joined: 8/23/2005
Msg: 40 | |
| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 11/16/2005 2:36:51 AM | Raven
I can see that you are a very passionate person in your convictions, and thank you so much for pointing out my obviously lower intelligence because of my poor grammar I must be the lowest of the low.
I do not disagree that mj has some very powerful medical properties. I work with cancer patients for a living and it is sometimes the only thing that can get rid of nausea and vomiting and suffering for the people I care for everyday. However there is a difference.
I am not a advocate of smoking either, nor am I into drinking alcohol in excess. (both are highly toxic to our bodies no doubt about that)
I have just never understood why people feel the need to on a consistant basis take a drug that alters reality. Why can't you deal with reality? Never appealed to me.
I'm sure if I did some research as you did I would be able to find plenty of scientific studies to back up all of my previous statements, however I really don't feel the need to waste my time on that I have a life thank you very much!
I have seen the effects first hand of chronic use, both of my brothers are jazz musicians by proffession, and it is a large part of that culture. My younger brother has suffered because several of his band mates are pot heads, they were so mellow all the time that they had no motivation to show up for gigs, or to help find gigs, and my brother had to do all the leg work with out a car because he was the only sober one. They also consistantly forgot things, to bring equipment/songs/ect. These are very nice guys, I met them hung out with them, but pot had taken away their drive/passion for their music.
Anyway I'm sure you'll have some great comebacks and insults for me again. Feel free to bring it on. | |
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Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 41 | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 2:57:34 AM | this is a good topic.i myself like to smoke pot.i also used to drink a lot too.to most woman do not like guys that toke because they have kids.also many people of both sexs still have a hang up because pot is against the law.
i myself have found the booze will have negetive effect on more then just the person drinking.booze also causes more social problems than pot,in most cases.
i have dated both tokers and non.try to be respectfull of a lady that i see if she does not smoke pot. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 3:14:31 AM | | Kerry, please do not take this as me trying to put you down in any way but I have to disagree with you on the point that the musicians' reason for being unmotivated were due to marijuana useage. I live in Nashville Tennesee. Contrary to popular belief, country music is not the dominant scene here. We tend to have more rock oriented groups. Growing up in Nashville, it seems every corner you turn, you are running into a musician. I have known many great musicians in my lifetime. Some non smokers, some light smokers, some heavy smokers. There was no difference in their "drive" to perform or go to gigs based on their useage. One bassist that I know very well is a VERY heavy smoker and has more drive to perform and make himself known than anyone I have ever met. If a musician isn't showing up for gigs, making an effort to be a real part of the band or whatever, maybe it is due to lack of interest in the music. I have seen it many times. You can have your own opinions about marijuana, it is your RIGHT, but I just wanted you to hear the other side of it. I am not a heavy user in any sort of way but I have to say that sometimes it gives me quite a bit of motivation when I am writing. If someone isn't a motivated type of person, most likely it is a part of their personality to be that way. Just giving you another opinion to think about, that's all. People find reasons to blame that which they know little about. If someone has never done it, how can they possibly know what kind of effect it has on another person, unless they are assuming or going by what others have to say? Me...I choose to form MY OWN opinion and not follow others. I am not telling you to try it, smoke it, or even condone it....but please, stop trying to say that it causes other's to be unmotivated....you have NO way of knowing this unless you are the person who is lacking the motivation, or smoking. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 3:17:41 AM | "I run my own business, I have a college degree and guess what - I smoke marijuana, and I have smoked marijuana for several years. "
Guess what, there are alot of lawyers and politicians that do coke too. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 3:22:39 AM | I dont like pot and i sare dont aprove of it. Thats why i got out of a relationship i was in. Worst part of it....when they try to hind the facts !!!!!
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Joined: 8/23/2005
Msg: 46 | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 3:56:10 AM | Darkest
Thank you, I do not take this as a put down, I just know that with these particular people the mj had a big impact on their motivation. And of course some people are just not motivated. I did not say that you yourself are unmotivated. But it does have that effect on many people you can't deny this either.
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I know that you can not paint all people with the same brush. I resent that people are calling me close minded, and associating me with Bush. Haha I hate Bush.
I am just a person that would chose not to date a person that smokes pot, our life philosophy would be different, I would not want to raise a child with some one that has that much of a different view than me. Its my perogative.
If you want to smoke pot, and you do well then great you are living your life the way you want and more power to you.
As for being close minded, just because of my views on this subject..it does not make me a close minded person. I am very happy to be Canadian, where gay marriage is legal, I personally would not ever get an abortion, but I believe in a womans right to make that choice. You do not know me fully so you can not judge me based on my opinion of this subject. To me someone that calls me close minded just because I would not date a person that smokes pot is themselves close minded. Its my choice and you have yours, thats the joy of the free world. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 4:14:14 AM | | I wasnt calling you closed minded, was just stating the other side of the opinion. That's what's great about life we ALL have opinions, sometimes it takes seeing BOTH sides to fully understand. And you are correct, it is YOUR choice and right to date whomever you want. Lord knows I don't wanna have to approve of everyone's "mates"....LOL | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 4:16:41 AM | Everyone has a horror story folks. Just like with anything else, everybody knows somebody that had something bad happen to them while doing something seen as socially taboo.
I once cut myself shaving. Does that mean everyone should stop using razors???
You can do all the research you want. Unless you actually do the scientific lab studies on these things, you will never get the full truth. I recognize that just as much bias is shown in research done by those in favor of marijuana reform as there is from the opposition. However, the thing that convinced me to form the opinion I have is, I have actually seen studies funded by our own government that were shut down because the doctors refused to bend to fit the agenda of the American government.
Essentially, what this all boils down to is personal choice. Stop stigmatizing people for exploiting their freedom. I't's bad enough that the government does it.
Personally, I can't stand black licorice. Imagine if I ran the country and made it illegal for anyone else to eat the stuff. Would seem pretty unfair, wouldn't it??? | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 4:25:11 AM | Australian Bureau of Statistics...
Each year approximately-
81% of drug related deaths were due to tobacco products
16% were due to alcohol related problems.
that leaves around 3% of people dieing from drugs, be they legally procurred overdoses or illegal ones.
Let us not forget that tv is also a large addiction.
I am sure that several anti pot/drug people on here are fairly christian orientated, so i would like to throw a quote your way. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.
George W Bush was arrested once for cocaine possession, twice for DUI, but daddy Bush managed to have these hidden. Just a lil fact from the smokinggun  | |
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Raven1
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Joined: 9/14/2004
Msg: 50 | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 4:28:57 AM | to Kerry
The only reason I made an attack at the level of your intellect was due to the fact that you made mention of smokers as being stupid (or the act of smoking as being so, which in turn is the same thing as calling a smoker stupid).
I'm sorry but what you made mention of was nothing but GARBAGE. If those people lacked motivation it's because they never had drive within themselves.You say you KNOW it was due to the MJ.
HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU KNOW WHAT'S TRULY GOING ON INSIDE THE MIND OF ANOTHER?
If people do not have enough brains to know when to participate in certain activities and when not to then that's on them. If you know the effects of something will be detremental to certain aspects of your life at certain times for example then you do not engage in them until the appropriate time. You're going on a long trip and you know you will not be able to stop for a restroom very often or not for a while. Are you going to over indulge in drinking fluids before your trip? (especially knowing you have a small bladder!) NO, you won't. You'll either moderate yourself and wait until a more appropriate time.
If I have a health problem and I am supposed to take certian medications on a daily basis but those medications will make me drowsy, I'm not going to go take them before I have to drive a tracktor-trailer. Or before I have to operate machinery. I will take them after work, perhaps before dinner or before I am to go to sleep.
Also, it's as the saying goes. "Everything in moderation". Ever hear that one?
You're blaming a drug for your brother's friends actions but you know what? That's "typically" the life of a musician. They don't have a set schedule (muchless lifestyle) whereas Doctors, Lawyers, etc. do!
If they were lazy it's most likely due to their personalities. You can't blame a drug. Perhaps they chose to overdo it and not moderate themselves. For that it is their fault. It's all in your mind. It's like obese people. I mean it's one thing if it's a genetic problem. (They barely eat and when they do they eat well/nutrishously and they work out yet they still have a problem losing the weight.....that I could understand). HOWEVER, those that chose to over indulge on food and have no self-discipline; who's to blame but themselves?
If you're going to blame drugs for everything then everyone that has indulged in the use of them should be an addict! Why are some people able to control it while others cannot?
Thoughout my younger years I have experimented with MANY different drugs. None of which has ever gotten me addicted to as I don't do any of them anymore. For me it was nothing but a learning/experimentation phase. I should be a coke addict since I tried it a few times. Or hooked on exstacy, acid, mushrooms, crack cocaine even!
WHY/HOW DID I HAVE THE DISCIPLINE AND CONTROL?
BUT NO, THOSE WERE A FEW INDULGENCES AND FEW TIMES EACH. A LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
*** INTERESTING FACTS****
Nearly 15% of all men and 30% of all women admit to a craving for chocolate.
Over 300 substances have been identified in chocolate. Some of these, including caffeine and theobromine (another, less powerful stimulant) could actually cause dependency effects. But the amounts of these substances in chocolate are too small to really have any effect.
The same goes for phenylethylamine, a substance related to a family of stimulants called amphetamines. For example, chocolate contains less phenylethylamine than goat cheese.
Anandamide, a neurotransmitter produced naturally by the brain, has also been isolated in chocolate. The neural receptors for anandamide are the same ones to which THC, the main active ingredient in cannabis, binds. The anandamide in chocolate might therefore contribute to the feeling of well-being reported by “chocoholics” (though you would have to eat well over 30 kilos of chocolate to experience effects comparable to one dose of cannabis!).
DRUGS ARE CHEMICALLY BASED THOUGH IT IS CHEMICALS THAT ARE ALSO FOUND IN OUR MINDS/BODIES. IT IS CHEMICALS IN FOOD IN WHICH WE EAT. SOME OF WHICH CAUSE SOME SORT OF STIMULATION WHILE OTHERS MAY NOT.
You state "I have just never understood why people feel the need to on a consistant basis take a drug that alters reality. Why can't you deal with reality?" <---you see, you still don't understand and it is lack of understanding that causes indifference amongst each other within our society. However, does your lack of understanding (ignorance) make your views right? Do you not think that mabye if you had a better understanding your view(s) may change? (in a positive way)
IT'S NOT ABOUT ESCAPING REALITY AND NOT HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT. NOT FOR EVERYONE ANYWAY. FOR SOME IT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT REACHING A HIGHER PLATEAU, A HIGER ELEVATION (STATE) OF THE MIND AND OF REALITY. IT'S ABOUT TAPPING INTO THE SUBCONSCIOUS WHERE ONE WOULD NOT USUALLY BE ABLE TO.
EXAMPLE: I'VE BEEN ON SOME REALLY AMAZING HIGHS. WHAT I MEAN BY THIS IS THAT THE THOUGHTS AND IDEAS CONJURED UP IN MY MIND'S EYE NORMALLY WOULD NOT HAVE REVEALED THEMSELVES UNDER "NORMAL" CIRCUMSTANCES. I EVEN THOUGHT OF WRITING DOWN MY THOUGHTS ON PAPER BUT FIGURED I'D DO IT WHEN I WOKE UP.
KNOW WHAT HAPPENED?
G-O-N-E AFTER I HAD SLEPT AND WOKE UP. THESE WERE VERY DEEP, METHODICAL AND EVEN PHILISOPHICAL THOUGHTS THAT HAS MANIFESTED ITSELF IN MY MIND. THOUGHTS I NORMALLY WOULD NOT HAVE COME UP WITH. I REMEMBER THAT DUE TO THE FACT THAT I WAS SO AMAZED AT THEM. (THAT WAS THE REASON FOR WANTING TO WRITE IT DOWN)
ANOTHER EXAMPLE: ABOUT 9-10 YEARS AGO WHILE LIVING WITH MY OLDER COUSIN (VERY BRILLIANT INDIVIDUAL) AT THE TIME, I WAS ASKED BY HIM TO BRING BACK A HIT OF EXSTACY FOR HIM. (HE WAS MAJORING IN ECONOMICS @ A MAJOR UNIVERSITY). I DID SO. HE ENDED UP USING IT WHILE STUDYING. THE NEXT DAY I ASKED HIM HOW IT WAS AND HE TOLD ME, AND I QUOTE, "IT DIDN'T DO MUCH REALLY, I JUST SEEMED TO READ THROUGH MY MATERIAL FASTER AND HAD MORE MEMORY RETENTION". THIS FROM A GUY WHO WAS A MARIJUANA SMOKER FOR YEARS.
ANYWAY IM GOING TO END THIS OFF NOW BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I SAY. YOU WILL HAVE YOUR OWN OPINION. THAT IS FINE BECAUSE EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIRS. HOWEVER YOU CANNOT ACCURATELY DISCUSS SOMETHING UNTIL YOU TRULY KNOW WHAT YOU SPEAK OF. ALL YOU CAN GO BY IS WHAT YOU READ FORM OTHERS.
THAT DOES NOT GIVE YOU MORE CREDENTIALS THAN SOMEONE WITH FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE!
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