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Raven1
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Msg: 77 | |
| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 11/16/2005 1:11:50 PM |
So raven your friend wanted the E to study better Im sure. lmao, good thing he didn't burn a little hole in his brain, that stuff has been shown to do that on brain imaging. Very smart move.
*sighs*
It seems as though some people read but do not properly READ. Perhaps it is from the lack of use of drugs that you lack memory retention? My COUSIN was the one with whom I stated was given the exstacy.
You state "So raven your friend wanted the E to study better Im sure." <---- I'm sorry Kerry but your ignorance is overwhelming not to mention somewhat frustrating. You still do not understand the definition of "experimentation" do you? People that indulge in/experiment with drugs do so for various reasons and under various different environmental circumstances. Drugs are not always used in social atmospheres/surroundings. They are not always used while in the bars, clubs, sitting at home playing videogames, or whatever other stimga is attached it to.
My cousin is quite intelligent. He was a pot smoker for as long as I can remember. Yet always aced in his schooling. You'll find that many pot smokers will actually smoke up before studying and I know for a fact he was one of them. It seemed to work out well for him. He completed University and landed a job with DeHaviland (the airplane manufacturer) in charge of millions of their dollars and making 6 figures a year. His interview was an 8 hour long one where they went though his entire life from a to z.
He must have burnt some SERIOUS holes in his brain for him to achieve such a position with a corporate giant like that and such success with his job AND personal life!
(33 years old, married with a daughter, house and earning a 6 figure a year income).
I must have burned some as well because in my teens I used to attend those raves where I would do hits of exstacy and dance through the early hours of the morn till 7-8am the next day. Afterall can't you tell my mental/cognitive defeciencey? ;)
Those drugs must have really done quite the number on me don't you think?
As for those that smoked before studying, I can understand why. I for one usually have a million and one things (thoughts) on my mind throughout any given part of the day. That being said sometimes it's hard to concentrate and just focus on one at any given time (no I do not have A.D.D or A.D.H.D). When I used to smoke it allowed me to clear my mind and focus on any one given thought or task. That was one of the reasons I enjoyed it.
as for Dime12804 - do you mean LESIONS? hehe
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Posted: 11/16/2005 1:13:57 PM | WOW.. some cool replies on this subject.. here's my take..
I've sat through the physical and mental part of withdrawal both from alcohol and drugs. To me, the alcohol was much worse than when I quit smoking pot. This was all over 10 yrs ago, but in my opinion, pot doesn't cause half the problems that booze does.. I quit the two at different times, alcohol withdrawal is pure hell, pot I just quit.. that simple
now, for can I handle a smoker? I tried this a while ago.. she smoked once in a while, I had no problem with that until I looked around and saw that her definition of "once in a while" was from the time she left work until the time she went to work, of course with a break to smoke a joint during lunch.. this isn't once in a while to me.. so, this was ended rather quickly..
could I date someone that did smoke once in a while? hell yeah, I see no problems with that, would rather see someone stoned than drunk out of their mind (which is legal somehow).. that's just me.. | |
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Raven1
| | Joined: 9/14/2004
Msg: 79 | |
| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 11/16/2005 1:32:48 PM | Marijuana can lower inhibitions and impair judgment. Lowered inhibitions have been known to result in unprotected sex, increased possibilities of sexually transmitted diseases, and potential unwanted pregnancies. Marijuana may interfere with human reproduction. Some research shows a decline in sex hormones in young boys and possible disturbances of the menstrual cycle in girls. In the critical early stages of pregnancy, smoking may be harmful to the baby.
Some of the problems/effects you just associated with the use of MJ are identical issues one faces with alcohol consumption!
*** Let's face it people. The only reason those of you that are against the use of it (or any other "illegal" substance) is because you are nothing but conformists. Sheep amongst the flock. Your life is dictated by a higher form of power (Local and Federal government).
It's those of you that never bring about change due to the fact that you fear contending those forms of power.
If the government legalized then would it be ok? Would it be tolerable for people to engage in the use of whatever drug BECAUSE that higher form of power ALLOWED you to?
Alcohol was PROHIBITED at one point in time too you know?
There are "LEGAL" drugs out there that have led to many deaths. Why are those ok to use?
Because that higher form of power that rules/dictates how you live your life decides it's ok?
Listen to those late night commercials where pharmaceutical companies are advertising their various drugs. Listen to the side-effects that are caused by some of them. "Heart attack, stroke, blood-clots, respitory failure", etc. yet it's ok for doctors to play god and perscribe these drugs not knowing fully well if it will remedy or worsen the situation.
If you were born in Amsterdam and lived there all your life you probably wouldn't have a problem with MJ. Why? Because there's it's a socially acceptable standard and is FULLY legal by those higher governing bodies of power (the government).
See the difference from one geographical region to the next?
You're living your life and basing your thoughts and ideals on what is GIVEN to you by others NOT by what is made/created by your own mind. What you think is biased by what you are told by both them AND the media. What you think is based on values & standards THEY feel are right for you.
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kmhstx
| | Joined: 8/23/2005
Msg: 81 | |
| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 11/16/2005 1:53:41 PM | Raven It has nothing, atleast for me about being conformist. If it was legal here, which in Canada I'm sure it one day will be, I would still not want to date someone who smoked pot. Just as I truely do not want to date an alcoholic or a smoker. If its legal, it will not be any different in my eyes.
There is no doubt to me that you are an extremely intelligent person, thats fairly obvious. But you are much more of the exception than the rule, and your cousin too. if you must.
Why may I ask did you stop if this is a lifestyle you so enjoyed. did you conform?
And I think it is interesting that you still find me so close minded, I am always willing to listen to people and open to new ideas.
I was a very homophobic person for a very long time, I discovered that my best friend was gay, and this past summer I happily and proudly attended his wedding. to a man. I was very anti abortion, very much so until I met someone who had to have one because of circumstance, now I can see why it should be a choice. Those are just too examples of convictions I have had that I opened my mind to another way of thinking. And there are many more.
So if you had a way on convincing me to either a)smoke pot or b)date a pot smoker that was logical, and more than just insulting me well have at it, I am all ears.
Also I agree that pot has had a major effect on our music/artistic culture,and as a person who enjoys music, well I can't complain about some of my fave songs. HOwever I still would not want to date some one who smokes pot, or raise children with them.
Oh yeah just who are THey any way, lmao. I am my own person, I always will be. | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 11/16/2005 1:56:01 PM | Raven--marijuana affects everyone differently. You wanna smoke it, smoke it. Some people can function quite well on it.
But I wouldn't date someone who smoked it. It's my preference. And for me, it's nothing like alcohol. I can still keep track of time when drinking; my stomach doesn't hurt like hell when drinking; and my place doesn't smell like burning sweat when drinking.
Marijuana, to me, is unattractive.
Oh, and Raven--you are the sheep, most likely following some half-baked definition of "cool" that you never defined yourself. Good luck with that, jackass. | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 11/16/2005 1:56:53 PM |
Let's face it people. The only reason those of you that are against the use of it (or any other "illegal" substance) is because you are nothing but conformists. Sheep amongst the flock. Your life is dictated by a higher form of power (Local and Federal government).
It's those of you that never bring about change due to the fact that you fear contending those forms of power
I am against it because I think any person who feels so inadequate that they feel the need to consume a substance alters their personality is a very sad person who needs help. When someone deals with their reality by hiding from it, instead of dealing with it, they are teaching themselves to be weak and unimportant.
Try learning to love who you are without herbal courage and maybe you will find that your opinion changes.
Try creating a life that you can live with, and do not feel the need to escape from, and perhaps you will better understand those who are against it.
And to talk about this topic, as you have been, makes you sound more like a conspiracy theorist rather than a person with an education on the topic. | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 11/16/2005 2:10:37 PM | | Hey Ekkobeach - what's the difference between the person who smokes pot to escape or feel adequate and the person who drinks to escape or feel adequate? or even for that matter, the person who hunts, races, fishes, spends time with family or whatever to escape the pressures of reality and allow that person to feel adequate? If smoking pot is such a terrible thing because people use it to escape then with the same thoughts when I go home tonight and do whatever silly things that I do (specifically play with my dogs and play guitar) then I'm doing something to escape and I shouldn't be doing these things.. There is absolutely no difference between using pot to escape or using alcohol to escape.. and not everyone that uses these are doing so as an escape... | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 11/16/2005 2:19:15 PM | The part about people who don't smoke pot being "conformist" is laughable.
Plenty of people smoke pot to be conformist with the people they hang out with..
It's just a different type of conformity. With the tens of millions who smoke pot, it's hardly such a daring, "individualistic" thing..
You 'conform' to the values of YOUR chosen social circle. Plenty of m.j. smokers frown on those who don't use it, so isn't that a type of "conformity" to the group, as well?
@ kevn2012:
I think you sort of misinterpreted my post; what I meant to say is why aren't all the 'smokers' on this thread, who claim that its use enhances creaitivity so much, well-known artists, authors, playwrights, or musicians? | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 11/16/2005 2:26:13 PM | Hey Ekkobeach - what's the difference between the person who smokes pot to escape or feel adequate and the person who drinks to escape or feel adequate? or even for that matter, the person who hunts, races, fishes, spends time with family or whatever to escape the pressures of reality and allow that person to feel adequate? If smoking pot is such a terrible thing because people use it to escape then with the same thoughts when I go home tonight and do whatever silly things that I do (specifically play with my dogs and play guitar) then I'm doing something to escape and I shouldn't be doing these things.. There is absolutely no difference between using pot to escape or using alcohol to escape..
and not everyone that uses these are doing so as an escape...
Quick question--can you become chemically dependent on hunting, fishing, playing your guitar, or playing with your dogs? There's the difference. Some pot smokers might argue that smoking it isn't addictive, but it can be very psychologically addictive because of its affect on neurotransmitter balance within the brain. The brain and body are inextricable linked. As far as I'm concerned, it is physically addictive because of its affect on neurotransmitters.
As far as running . .. people do get "hooked" on endorphin rushes, but--hey--I don't see anyting wrong with that! | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 11/16/2005 2:37:13 PM | | Personally I don't know the first thing about "pot",never tried it,won't try it,wouldn't date somebody that smokes it.I have friends that do it, doesn't bother me in the least.I just have better things to spend my money on. | |
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kmhstx
| | Joined: 8/23/2005
Msg: 91 | |
| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 11/16/2005 2:46:28 PM | | wirraljam^^^ really medicinal oh thats so sad, what is wrong do you have cancer, finding it hard to deal with chemo? or Chronic Pain? or HIV? what are you taking it for? haha | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 2:46:57 PM | I'll argue it isn't as bad...
for me personally, neither one matters, I don't use either and don't plan on it. As for dating someone, that's all cool in moderation..
there's better stuff out there to help you escape reality
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Posted: 11/16/2005 3:04:43 PM | i'm a builder an have arthritic knee with half knee joint left, i fractured my spine fallin off a roof about 6 year ago an never bother with doctors for painkillers for at least 5 years an still work hard due to evening smoke (thats medicinal !! ) its none addictive cos i do without for weeks to clear system now and again, and yeah why can we have none ?? well i think there are many many more relationships that enjoy drinking (none medicinal) and a huge percentage of them relationships are violent or abusive because drink makes yoyu lose control, weed just chills ya an they are both as equally bad for your insides, everyone to there own i say but just be honest with ourselves and others an thats the element tht counts in a relationship more than what are our habits, lol | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 3:24:45 PM | To be quite honest, this argument has became quite sad....the question is answered with put downs and people telling each other how wrong they are. Personally I could care less what any of you choose. Who YOU have as a mate will not effect my life unless it is me and to be quite honest, the ones who are so judgemental, I wouldn't want in my life to begin with. Yep, I am PRO marijuana. I know alot about the substance. I know it's good and bad points. I make my own choices and if someone can not handle the fact that occassionally I smoke then apparently they are NOT the person for me. Cut and dry. Just like the person who can not handle a pot smoker would know that I am not for them. The one question I would like to ask is.....
THOSE THAT HAVE STATED THAT YOU WILL NOT DATE A POT SMOKER.....WOULD YOU DATE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING?
TOBACCO USER
DRINKER (HEAVY OR OCCASIONAL USER)
CHOCOLATE CONSUMER
COFFEE, TEA, COLA PRODUCT USER
PERSON ON MEDICATION PRESCRIBED BY A DOCTOR SUCH AS VALIUM, PROZAC, OR PAIN MEDICATION
SOMEONE WHO HAS TO TAKE OVER THE COUNTER MEDICATIONS ON A DAILY BASIS
ALL OF THOSE THINGS I MENTIONED ARE MIND ALTERING "DRUGS". IF YOU ARE GOING TO CUT ONE OUT OF YOUR LIFE YOU SHOULD CUT ALL OUT OF YOUR LIFE. AT LEAST BY THE REASONING I AM SEEING HERE. I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE YOU PRO MARIJUANA, JUST SHOWING YOU THAT YOUR REASONING IS PREJUDICED. TO THOSE WHO SAID IT IS DUE TO THE SMELL....DISREGUARD THIS, i UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE...
IF YOU HATE THE SMELL OF MARIJUANA COULD YOU DATE A SMOKER WHO NEVER DID IT AROUND YOU, DID NOT HAVE THE SMELL IN THEIR HOME, OR ON THEIR BREATH? AND YES IT CAN BE DONE.
I am not trying to argue, enough of that has been done in this thread already. I am trying to give you something to think about. And of course, I am curious to see how my questions will be answered. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 3:28:59 PM | I am curious to see how my questions will be answered
I wouldn't answer the questions - they are idiotic comparisons. I think I can live with a driver behind the wheel of a car eating a chocolate bar and drinking a Pepsi. If you think it is the same, blaze up and keep spouting the pro-pot rederick. | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 11/16/2005 3:40:15 PM | FYI - I put the word SEEMS in all caps to try to express that it was not a judgement, and definitely not meant to include all of those who post, just the majority.
As far as those who would prefer to avoid smoke in general due to issues such as asthma, well that just makes good sense health wise.
Also, I would believe that Gates and the other may have smoked 3 grams a day, but 3OZ?! That is a whole heck of a lot! | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 3:55:04 PM | As a non-smoker and occasional drinker, here's my $.02
I couldn't date a cigarette smoker. I'm allergic to tobacco, asthmatic, and extremely sensitive to the smell/taste. I don't like having it around.
I couldn't date a 'chronic' pot smoker for similar reasons - it smells aweful, and smoke is dangerous to me, but I also WOULD NOT date a chronic pot smoker, for different reasons.
And what are those? The same reasons I wouldn't date a heavy drinker.
I'm not interested in someone who uses a recreational mind-alterant as a coping mechanism. I can understand wanting to use things on occasion, for whatever reason - to take the edge off a particularly bad week, celebrating with your friends, etc. It's when it becomes a way of handling the world that it's a problem for me. I'm not interested in someone who can't cope with the world, their life, whatever. I'm not saying all pot users can't live without their drug of choice...far from. I'm just saying that I'm not interested in someone who uses it rather than...say...learning to deal with their lives in a mature fashion. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 4:13:58 PM | | Ekko, YOU just showed YOUR IGNORANCE and inability to even grasp the conversation. Did I say anyone was driving a vehicle? NO Did I say I smoke and drive..NOPE! Don't believe in it. You were too biased and judgemental to even read the question correctly. But that's ok, I understand. I politely asked a question and you couldn't answer it with an INTELLIGENT response so you chose to try and put me down. GOOD JOB. LMAO As far as them being idiotic comparisons, far from it, each has a mind altering effect. I was simply trying to give you something to think about, I wasn't asking you to smoke, date a smoker, or even condone it. But maybe that is far out of your grasp of reality as well. Why did you take it so offensively that you felt the need to make a slur towards me? Can you not handle someone asking you a question? But that's fine. With your type of thinking, I'd rather NOT hear your answers. It's funny, I have not singled anyone out and tried to talk "crap" about them, even stated that I understand that it's YOUR choice, I just wanted to know how someone could rule out one mind altering substance without ruling out the others. I was making a point. But, yeah, I think you missed that. NOW I am singling someone out and making comments, sure, I have that right to defend myself. YOU are someone I would NEVER have as an aquaintance in my life, not due to your choices in life but due to your attitude. Someone who can't even discuss an issue without talking crap and responding so irrational doesn't belong in my life. You really need to rethink your interactions with other people. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 4:15:45 PM | | hey well said dawn, yeah there all addictive substances some worse than others an some better, everyone has an addiction and yeah i also respect none smoking around any none smoker because i agree people who choose not to smoke shouldnt hve to, so basically i feel that is both parties of a relaionship smoke tobacco then one(or both) smoking pot occasionally in moderation can live happily ever after lol an yeah dawn well in on pointing out that none of us should be judgemental on people because we shouldnt, if a person smokes/drinks/etc, doesnt mean they havent got a beautiful loving heart an nature that is perfect for someone love an light yeah | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 4:21:29 PM | | TY JIm, glad someone GOT the point I was trying to make. I was never saying those things were equally good or bad, just all addictive and mind altering. | |
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