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 sassyaquarius

Joined: 4/10/2006
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Posted: 8/18/2007 4:34:33 PM

Why do you insist the negative (which is based on studies sweetie) is the absolute truth?
First of all, I am not your sweetie, let's get that straight right off the hop, secondly, the studies are what back up the DSM IV... go ahead and research it.

I decided to share this inforamtion because another poster said that smoking pot does NOT cause psychosis, when I know that it CAN.

Your thorazine story.... what point did it have? While also having some positive effects in the treatment of psychosis and hallucinations, it can also have some negative effects....... if anything that does nothing but prove what I have been saying...

That it is good to be aware of the negative effects of what you choose to partake in. Wow.....
 guitarman100

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Posted: 8/18/2007 7:15:29 PM
National StoryRSS
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Cannabis study finds gene linked to psychosis
12:00AM Friday April 29, 2005
By Monique Devereux
Some cannabis-using teenagers are highly likely to develop mental health problems as adults because of their genetic make-up, but most face little risk, a new study says.

The problems occur for genetically vulnerable adults who used cannabis while their brains were still developing, and that has prompted researchers to recommend people "delay onset of use until at least young adulthood".

The finding comes from Otago University's world-renowned study which has followed 1000 Dunedin-born people for over 30 years.

It says a link between cannabis and mental illness depends on a specific genetic disposition. But even then, only 15 per cent of the people with the gene will develop cannabis-related psychotic behaviour, and only if they use it as adolescents.

Other studies have identified a connection between cannabis and psychotic behaviour but this research - a combined effort by Otago University, London's King's College and the University of Wisconsin - has taken it a step further by pinpointing the exact gene.

The study repeatedly questioned 803 participants in the Dunedin Multidisciplinary Health and Development Study about their cannabis use when aged 13, 15 and 18.

When they were 18, 27 per cent said they used cannabis at least once a month, some every day. By the time they were 26, 3 per cent overall had developed some recognised psychosis: 1 per cent had schizophrenia and 2 per cent had milder conditions.

The study defined psychosis as "a period of more than a month in the past year when the individual constantly experiences hallucinations, delusions, loss of pleasure, low motivation for normal activities and disorganised behaviour".

Researchers questioned the 803 study members, and their family and closest friends.

Among those in the study who used cannabis as teenagers, the rate of psychosis was 8 per cent. But when broken down further to those who had the cannabis-vulnerable gene, the rate of psychosis was 15 per cent.

The gene is called COMT and everyone has two copies - one inherited from each parent - which then develop into one of three different combinations. The cannabis-vulnerable combination occurs in 25 per cent of the population.

One of the researchers, Associate Professor Richie Poulton of Otago, says the findings carried an important message for a small part of the population.

"We are talking about a very real increase in risk but it is constrained to the minority of people during a particular period of their development."

People should not be alarmist about the findings or "interpret this as supporting extreme views either that cannabis is extremely harmful or the reverse.

"Neither position is supported by the facts and people that promulgate those ideas do the youth of any country a disservice".

In terms of the total population, he said cannabis-related mental illness was not a major health risk.
 luckych4rm

Joined: 7/1/2006
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Posted: 8/18/2007 9:19:52 PM
sassyaquarius
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I am saying that I have seen people who have been diagnosed with drug induced psychosis after smoking pot, whether you have the DSM IV is none of my concern. The information is there. Is there scientific evidence to satisfy you? Probably not, but as I already explained, upon drug cessation, the psychosis disappeared in at least 4 cases that I personally know of. That is proof enough for me ;)

People have been diagnosed with "psychosis" after breathing air and drinking water as well. Your blind faith in a single book which does not cite studies (or your unwillingness to summarize them, for whatever reason) is rather disturbing. If someone was given a million dollar grant to write a paragraph claiming supernatural witches exist and that we should burn them, would you support burning people alive? You continue to express this guilty until proven otherwise mentality. Four alleged cases does not suggest much of anything. Since psychosis is such a vague term, what were their symptoms? How do you know it was cessation of cannabis which "cured" their psychosis? How do you know they really stopped smoking cannabis? How do you know the cannabis they were using was not laced with another drug? How do you know they were not using other legal or illegal drugs. Did you do a complete toxicology? Could it have been strictly the anti-psychotics helping? Were these individuals committed? If so, how do you know it was not the change in environment which contributed to their progress?

You seemed pretty positive in your assertion that smoking pot CANNOT cause psychosis, I simply wondered what you based such a certain statement on

I would not expect someone to provide evidence that drinking too much water does not cause someone grow gills in 1 in out of 500 million people to someone who was claiming that it did not cause humans to grow gills. The person making the accusation needs to have credible evidence to support their claim.Once the evidence has been presented it can be accepted or refuted. Using the same logic, I may as well have said "dinosaurs no longer rule the Earth" and have you claiming that in your personal experience or profession that dinosaurs do rule the Earth, you read it in a book and it is up to me to prove otherwise.

After much consideration, there is one psychosis related scenario bone I will willing to throw you regarding (but not caused by) cannabis. Many who suffer from schizophrenia have an over active mind. Cannabis is a thought provoking substance which I suspect would accelerate that. I suspect it may also counter the effects of most anti-psychotics which usually make the individual grossly lethargic and not capable of much thinking at all. There you have it. Cannabis provokes thought. If thought worsens your schizophrenia, avoid thinking and stimulation. In these cases, strain selection may also help, such as selecting pure indica strains rather than sativa dominant strains. Having the choice of strains with different effects has been very helpful as mood stabilizers for people who suffer from bipolar disorder. Strong indica strains work wonderfully for many people suffering from ADD as well.

I have also worked at a jail and have no idea what you are talking about as far as drug treatment being an alternative to incarceration in 90% of cases... what are you backing up those statements with? I see no citation...

Ask and you shall receive. It only took me half a minute. This is an older study putting the number of people who seek treatment as an alternate to jail is 58% (alright, it isn't 90). but the 2002 SAMHSA Treatment Episode Data Set (TEDS) and 6/24/05 DASIS report indicates that the individual seeks treatment themselves in only 16% of cases. Since arrests have gone up consistently every year and there are more people in jail for cannabis today than any other time in history, I feel safe in assuming that the number of treatment cases with referrals from the criminal justice system has increased along with the arrests. I will try to find you a more recent study shortly - http://reliableanswers.com/med/drug_treatment.asp.

See how easy that was? Now it is your turn to provide a study which proves cannabis causes psychosis, along with the relative risks, otherwise please refrain from cluttering this thread with more baseless claims.

guitarman100
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Regarding the statistics you just posted. As mentioned several times previously in this thread, people with mental illness have a tendency to self medicate, so you will always be able to find statistics which show more mental illness among the cannabis using population than the non-cannabis uses population. That does not mean it *causes* psychosis anymore than aspirin causes headaches or antibiotics cause infection. I respect that you at least provided a study unlike somebody ;)
 guitarman100

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Posted: 8/18/2007 9:37:03 PM
luckych4rm

here you go big guy
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/reprint/325/7374/1212.pdf

truth be known I really have nothing invested in your opinion..
You have your logic / train of thought on this subject, because it serves you and your drug habit.
The addictive mind will seek out data to justify it's existence.............
until you are on the other side of that wall,your mind will not let you fully understand that
 sassyaquarius

Joined: 4/10/2006
Msg: 980
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Posted: 8/18/2007 9:37:25 PM
Boy, that was quick! Almost like I knew what I was talking about, hey?

New findings on marijuana's damaging effect on the brain show the drug triggers temporary psychotic symptoms in some people, including hallucinations and paranoid delusions, doctors say.

British doctors took brain scans of 15 healthy volunteers given small doses of two of the active ingredients of cannabis, as well as a placebo.

One compound, cannabidiol, or CBD, made people more relaxed. But even small doses of another component, tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, produced temporary psychotic symptoms in people, including hallucinations and paranoid delusions, doctors said.

The results, to be presented at an international mental health conference in London on Tuesday and Wednesday, provides physical evidence of the drug's damaging influence on the human brain.

"We've long suspected that cannabis is linked to psychoses, but we have never before had scans to show how the mechanism works," said Dr. Philip McGuire, a professor of psychiatry at King's College, London.

In analyzing MRI scans of the study's subjects, McGuire and his colleagues found that THC interfered with activity in the inferior frontal cortex, a region of the brain associated with paranoia.

"THC is switching off that regulator," McGuire said, effectively unleashing the paranoia usually kept under control by the frontal cortex.

In another study being presented at the conference, a two-day gathering of mental health experts discussing the connections between cannabis and mental health, scientists found that marijuana worsens psychotic symptoms of schizophrenics.

Doctors at Yale University in the U.S. tested the impact of THC on 150 healthy volunteers and 13 people with stable schizophrenia. Nearly half of the healthy subjects experienced psychotic symptoms when given the drug.

While the doctors expected to see marijuana improve the conditions of their schizophrenic subjects — since their patients reported that the drug calmed them — they found that the reverse was true.

"I was surprised by the results," said Dr. Deepak Cyril D'Souza, an associate professor of psychiatry at Yale University's School of Medicine. "In practice, we found that cannabis is very bad for people with schizophrenia," he said.

While D'Souza had intended to study marijuana's impact on schizophrenics in more patients, the study was stopped prematurely because the impact was so pronounced that it would have been unethical to test it on more people with schizophrenia.

"One of the great puzzles is why people with schizophrenia keep taking the stuff when it makes the paranoia worse," said Dr. Robin Murray, a professor of psychiatry at King's College.

Experts theorized that schizophrenics may mistakenly judge the drug's pleasurable effects to outweigh any negatives.

Understanding how marijuana affects the brain may ultimately lead experts to a better understanding of mental health in general.

"We don't know the basis of paranoia or anxiety," said McGuire.

"It is possible that we could use cannabis in controlled studies to understand psychoses better," he said. McGuire theorized that could one day lead to specific drugs targeting the responsible regions of the brain.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/01/health/main2746434.shtml

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 TXZN

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Posted: 8/18/2007 9:45:18 PM
I'd rather deal with a smoker than a drunken lush - anyday
 luckych4rm

Joined: 7/1/2006
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Posted: 8/18/2007 9:48:14 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/01/health/main2746434.shtml
Any comments?

I am glad you are at least putting in the effort. It was a good read, but the study only involved 163 people. It does not indicate which symptoms were shown or to what extent. It does not mention the strain of cannabis used or the THC/CBD ratio. If I had several bong hits of strong Sativa I would experience a degree of "paranoia" as well. That is a far cry from causing psychosis. For the most part, the extent of paranoia tends to make the user act more cautiously and worry about getting busted more often that not, for an hour or so. It also does not mention why it is that massive increases in marijuana use over the past century have not corresponded with increased rates of psychosis.

I had already read both of those articles and quite a few more. I have never found one which appears convincing or where the stats did not suggest a better chance of being hit be lightning, but please keep the articles coming and let the people reading this thread absorb all of the information and make their own judgment on whether or not pot causes the vague scary "psychosis" syndrome, as it is relative to whether or not one would want to date someone who uses cannabis.


 guitarman100

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Posted: 8/18/2007 10:07:45 PM
luckych4rm



You have your logic / train of thought on this subject, because it serves you and your drug habit.
The addictive mind will seek out data to justify it's existence.............
until you are on the other side of that wall,your mind will not let you fully understand that
 sassyaquarius

Joined: 4/10/2006
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Posted: 8/18/2007 10:14:35 PM
Here's another:
ACUTE SYMPTOMS OF CANNABIS PSYCHOSIS
International Classification of Diseases (ICD-10)
Often the combination of symptoms makes one suspicious that schizophrenia is present but at the same time there is an affective component. There may be the suspicion that the condition, either in part of whole, is feigned for reasons that are unclear because the pattern of symptoms do not fall easily into the usual criteria for psychosis. Drug taking is often denied, or the amount that is admitted by the patient is so little that one cannot say that this accounts for the current symptoms. Worse still, patients may not even consider Cannabis as an illicit or dangerous drug and so do not mention using it. Hallucinations are vague and delusions may be transitory with little in the way of thought disorder. There is often a lack of volition and a history of gradually deteriorating social ability and contact with others, including significant others. This history will often be verified by relatives and close friends who may be either completely ignorant of the drug taking, or confirm that there has been some in the past but believe that there has been little drug taking recently. There is often a depressive component with suicide attempts in the past but nothing recent or, if there is, then they are only ineffectual pleas for help. The person has usually lost his or her job some months or weeks before due to their poor performance at work. There is often very poor memory and concentration, which may be marked at the time of presentation. Paranoid delusions may be present and quite severe which can be the most alarming psychotic feature and result in hospital admission. If confronted with aggressive and authoritarian staff, who indicate verbally or non-verbally, that they do not believe the patient, the patient may become violent or simply leave against medical advice. There is a slow and gradual effect of cannabis and the symptoms continue to worsen for some time after the person stops using it. Thus by the time of presentation the person may be so disorganised and confused that they can’t even arrange their next “cone” or “joint”. Over the following few days the symptoms ease quickly. The improvement is easily credited to the neuroleptics and/or the antidepressants, which may in fact have contributed to the improvement. Symptoms such as the paranoia, hallucinations and depression fade until the patient is allowed to go on leave from the hospital and, a worsening of the symptoms may follow this. More often than not the nursing staff are the first to become suspicious that drugs have been taken when the patient is on leave from the hospital.

It could even be that the drug screen only indicated small dose drug taking or even absent. The International Classification of Disease indicates the following symptoms due to Cannabis.

“There must be dysfunctional behaviour, as evidenced by at least one at of the following:

(1) Apathy and sedation

(2) Disinhibition

(3) Psychomotor retardation

(4) Impaired attention

(5) Impaired judgement

(6) Interference with personal functioning.

C. At least one of the following signs must be present:

(1) Drowsiness

(2) Slurred speech

(3) Pupillary constriction (except in anoxia from severe overdose, when pupillary dilatation occurs)

(4) Decreased level of consciousness (e.g. Stupor, coma)

F12.0 Acute intoxication due to use of cannabinoids F12.0 DCR-10
A. The general criteria for acute intoxication (F1x.0) must be met.

B. There must be dysfunctional behaviour or perceptual disturbances including at least one at least one of the following:

(1) Euphoria and disinhibition

(2) Anxiety or agitation

(3) Suspiciousness or paranoid ideation

(4) Temporal slowing (a sense that time is passing very slowly, and/or the person is experiencing a rapid flow of ideas)

(5) Impaired judgement

(6) Impaired attention

(7) Impaired reaction time

(8) Auditory, visual or tactile illusions

(9) Hallucinations, with preserved orientation

(l0) depersonalization

(11) derealization

(12) Interference with personal functioning

increased appetite
dry mouth
conjunctival injection
tachycardia.”
[3] DSM IV also has similar but less complete information under the heading of Cannabis Induced Psychotic Disorder and refers the reader to a general description of “ Sunstance­Induced Psychotic Disorder”. That is the difference in the phenomenology of Cannabis Psychosis and other substance induced psychosis is not made, however this is now rather dated being 1994 when published.[4]

It can be seen from this that the range of symptoms is quite extensive and not confined to the core symptoms mentioned at the beginning.

CHRONIC SYMPTOMS OF CANNABIS PSYCHOSIS
Patients are left with the well-recognised and permanent symptoms of memory loss, apathy, loss of motivation and, paranoid ideation. These symptoms known as “ the Amotivational Syndrome” in the past are usually permanent.[5] If Cannabis using resumes then the acute symptoms redevelop. The chronic state can also be arrived at without a preceding psychotic episode. After Cannabis started to be widely used about 20 years ago, for permanent damage to occur it was felt by some that Cannabis had to be heavily used over at least three years [6]. However, there is accumulating evidence that smaller amount will do damage also and in animals “ deficits on tasks dependent on frontal lobe function have been reported in cannabis users” [7]. It is very difficult to conduct research in this area, as it is not acceptable to harm humans by doing trials with damaging substances such as Cannabis. However there is accumulating evidence of the psychological consequences of using Cannabis [8]. It is logical that to get the permanent “ Amotivational Syndrome” small amounts to damage have to accumulate incrementally. All this is in addition to the recognised danger of a recurrence of a pre-existing illness, such as Schizophrenia or Manic-depressive disorder. There are suggestions that Cannabis “ caused schizophrenia in young people and (or) enhanced the symptoms, especially in young people poorly able to cope with stress or in whom the antipsychotic therapy was unsuccessful”. [9] Caspari found “patients with previous cannabis abuse had significantly more rehospitalizations, tended to worse psychosocial functioning, and scored significantly higher on the psychopathological syndromes "thought disturbance" (BPRS) and "hostility" (AMDP). These results confirm the major impact of cannabis abuse on the long-term outcome of schizophrenic patients”
http://www.priory.com/psych/cannabis.htm

All this did was confirm what I already knew.
 printer2

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Posted: 8/18/2007 10:22:17 PM
can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?

I did not have the patience to weed through all the pages so if this was already brought up ...

Non-pot smokers can handle pot smokers, all you have to do is talk very slowly.

 luckych4rm

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Posted: 8/18/2007 10:28:52 PM

http://www.priory.com/psych/cannabis.htm
All this did was confirm what I already knew.

Indeed. It did not cite a single study so it does not really confirm anything, other than there are like minded people. There are a lot of prohibitionists and alarmists in the world. Many of them work in the psychiatric and pharmaceutical industry. There always seems to be quite a conflict of interest there ;)
 sassyaquarius

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Posted: 8/18/2007 10:34:25 PM
Obviously nothing will prove it to you, lol..... I really could care less, the thing that I have stressed throughout is that there are positives and negatives to anything you partake of... it isn't rocket science. Ignore the negatives if you wish, but that does not mean that they do not exist.

Can you still say with certainty that smoking pot does NOT cause psychosis? No, you cannot, because even if the possibility is a fraction of a percent, that possibility still exists. The articles clearly show strong evidence regardless of whether it satisfies your quite obviously biased mind ;)

 Kell.

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Posted: 8/18/2007 10:45:53 PM
I still say that psychosis is not caused by pot alone. I like to look at this point more from a Sociologists point of view. Are there not kids packing guns to school nowadays, gangs, other issues that we did not have to deal with as children. Are these people overall happy with themselves? Most people dislike something about their appearance and society in general has become more critical of that.
Also I would like to ask Sassyaquarius. When were drug tests, and bloodwork analysts last updated to include some of the new drugs that are out there today? Also I would like to hear what a psychiatrist has to say on your claims. Obviously you work with them so ask their opinion, let me know.....sincerely I would like to. Also I personally have sold pot and worse to doctors and surgeons.....what would your opinion on that be.
For the record I have not sold pot since I was 20, almost 7 years ago.
I doubt you'll change my mind on the subject or vice versa so courtesy is always appreciated.
Also is it hard enough to acknowledge that I am not a psychotic? I smoke pot on a semi regular basis and would always choose it over alcohol.
 sassyaquarius

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Posted: 8/18/2007 11:22:59 PM

I still say that psychosis is not caused by pot alone.
I never said that it was, my point is that pot CAN cause psychosis, not in all cases, but that it can.


I like to look at this point more from a Sociologists point of view. Are there not kids packing guns to school nowadays, gangs, other issues that we did not have to deal with as children. Are these people overall happy with themselves? Most people dislike something about their appearance and society in general has become more critical of that.
I don't understand what you mean here.... ?


Also I would like to ask Sassyaquarius. When were drug tests, and bloodwork analysts last updated to include some of the new drugs that are out there today?
None of what I have said is to imply that pot is the only drug that causes psychosis, other drugs are known to be far worse in this regard, but marijuana is the only one being discussed in this thread.


Also I would like to hear what a psychiatrist has to say on your claims. Obviously you work with them so ask their opinion, let me know.....sincerely I would like to.
Well I am pretty sure what a psychiatrist's opinion would be, they are the ones who use the DSM IV to diagnose people with drug induced psychosis, so I don't really need to ask them. If you are curious though, I am sure you could call a local one... and I don't mean that to be snotty, why take my word for it if you can get it straight from them?


Also is it hard enough to acknowledge that I am not a psychotic? I smoke pot on a semi regular basis and would always choose it over alcohol.
I have absolutely no judgement against pot smokers (other than that they be honest about it which you have been), I myself used to be a pothead which I have admitted to numerous times in this thread... and I know that not everyone who smokes pot will have a psychotic episode. In fact probably MOST will not, I was simply pointing out that it CAN happen. If someone had told me this back when I was a pothead, it might have made me think differently....

However I am not trying to change your mind, only presenting the information as I know it.
 luckych4rm

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Posted: 8/19/2007 3:35:07 AM
hi carpenterKell

Also I would like to hear what a psychiatrist has to say on your claims.

I know that there is a handful of psychiatrists who would agree with her. Thankfully only a handful. For example, one of the articles she posted (the one which did not cite any studies - http://www.priory.com/psych/cannabis.htm) appears to be composed by a consultant psychiatrist from "St John , God Health Services", "The Education Centre of God Hospital", "Shelton Hospital" and "God Health Services", according to zoominfo. Is it wrong to question the motives of a professional?

The conflict of interest involving psychiatrists and cannabis is that the criminal justice system sends a large number of people into forced treatment as an alternative to jail, then psychiatrists and big pharma get their share. Patient goes away now addicted to anti-depressents, Ritalin, Lorazepam or whatever, convinced something is wrong with them. Surely they will have a return customer.

Hah! And sassyaquarius calls me biased. I suppose I am. I want prohibition to end because it is harmful to society. What a horrible selfish person I must be.
 great_kahuna

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Posted: 8/19/2007 6:54:27 AM
I have read most of the posts her, and my conclution is : the way the pot smokers present their case answers my question, namely that their mind is scrambeled....some more some less depending on the amount smoked. And by the way , if I read anymore of their nonsense , I might even have to take up pot smoking myself to calm my nerves ....not really , I rather have a

The lamest of all posts was one "Lady" telling us that she rather goes to a bar where people smoke pot, rather then going to a bar where people get drunk. Her reasoning was that the "Pot Smoking Bar " is very quiet, where in the "Drunk Bar" there are fights.
I would rather go to the bar where people drink and maybe even fight , at least those people are alive aposed to the potsmokers bar where they are like a bunch of zombies.

Now I am going for a NON POT SMOKER
 Kell.

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Posted: 8/21/2007 3:41:56 AM
Sorry my point with looking at it from a sociologists point of view. Let me clarify. As we all know depression comes in many forms as I am sure Sassy can attest. I beleive that it is a result of life in our society today that leads to "some" cases of depression. If "some" of these cases that Sassy is talking about had clinical depression to begin with then psychotic symptoms could be directly related to this.
I don't know........ that is what I would like to hear a psychiatrists opinion on also.
Thanks again Kell
Hey Lucky always enjoy the comments keep em coming.
 Kell.

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Posted: 8/22/2007 7:40:00 PM
One other thing I would like to ad. Has anyone bothered to read the information that anyone else has posted. Lucky has great information with credited doctors as well as Sassy. Statistics can be skewed in anyone's favor. Also if you were getting a paper published; would you put information in it that would contradict your hypothesis?
Personally I like the FDA's findings. The FDA however does not do psychological testing on its animals.
I won't even go into that however because it gets away from the point of this thread.
Later Kell.
Everyone should just put a yes or no reply and thats it. lol. Then there wouldn't be all this arguing. Later again Kell.
 happystone

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Posted: 8/23/2007 2:23:30 AM
sassy, the dsm IV is a JOKE. it has over 2000 mental disorders listed in it. various state and federal laws plus living in a bureaucracy has caused this extensive distortion of mental disorders. histopathology, the study of tissue, may as well not exist, where mental illnesses are concerned. a great many shrinks, psych nurses and therapists also think the dsm IV should be trimmed down a lot. have you ever read thomas szasz?? try him, his books might enlighten you.
 Summer-rain

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Posted: 8/23/2007 8:14:10 AM
As a NON pot smoker, I can handle pot smokers just fine.

The only problems I have with it are some of the results of long-term usage ... such as the mood/personality changes when supply runs out.

But, given the choice of a pot smoker or a drunk, I'd go with the pot smoker anyday!
 sassyaquarius

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Posted: 8/23/2007 10:28:30 AM

have you ever read thomas szasz?? try him, his books might enlighten you
Yes I have, what is your point? Does that change the fact that smoking pot can cause psychosis?? All I have done is present information on a possible negative effect of what many people on this thread choose to imbibe in... apparently the truth is offensive at times
 44magnum

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Posted: 8/23/2007 10:43:47 AM
^^^^^ I agree, started smoking pot at 13, around 25 began to experience paranoia. I know, I know, you potheads are going to say I just couldn't handle it, not true, instead I went on to crack cocaine! Been clean awhile now. Everyone is different, some are social users, some use it to change the way they feel which in my opinion is the basis for addiction.
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Posted: 8/23/2007 2:31:04 PM
God made grass
Man made booze
Who do you trust?
no, I'm not a pothead...but I do partake of the occasional ganja...& yes I checked no drugs on here cause I don't consider that to be anywhere near the same league as most other drugs....never seen anyone high wreck their car or start a stupid fight...just makes ya horny & get the munchies...not to mention helps when you're stressed out or hurting...& I'm quite intelligent thank you very much...man there are some uptight ppl on here...
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can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 8/23/2007 9:26:43 PM
Sassy, not that it really matters but are you a RN or LPN? I don't want to dissuade you from your opinion because your obviously set to it and I don't know what you have seen with your personal experience at work.
Also from personal experience again and completely unrelataed. I used to take Zoplicone I do beleive thats what it was...... to sleep. My family doctor used to prescibe it to me in quite large dosages in fact. It got to the point where it wouldn't work and so I would be up for 3 days at a time. Now I smoke the occasional joint, not daily, but it helps....not all the time, but it does.
I use it instead of presciption sleeping pills now and may I add I don't do it on a daily basis.
I am aware of your facts and thanks for a different point of view. No sarcasm there sincerely. I still beleive that smoking a joing has less harmful side effects on my body than does alcohol, prescription pills or vegetables brought in from the states. That last part was my idea of a joke.
Peace Kell.
 phakospora

Joined: 8/22/2007
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can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 8/25/2007 2:48:26 PM
Hello,

I came across this forum and had to chime in. Just to start for #1. You know what the real "gate way" drug is, its cigarettes. How many people do you know that tried pot before they tried a drag of a smoke. Okay that's besides the point. I don't know, but if I didn't smoke pot through college, I would have never made it through a stacked schedule of organic chemistries, bio-physics, fungal physics, inorganic chems, etc. Maybe I am one of those rare breeds, who when I smoke a little, I am ready to do something. When my brain would get so full after hours of studying, yeah, it would be nice to relieve the head a little with some good dank through a glass. I never messed with any pills, coke, or anything of that nature, but if I am telling you personal experience, if not for weed, I would have never made it through the schedule I had. That's just me!!!!!!!!
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