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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 5/9/2009 12:41:42 PM | Nice post NocturnalPrincess ............. Especially considering that you are in Law Enforcement!
I'd like to second your notation:
"So long as one meets their responsibilities as an adult, what they do in their recreation time should not be governmentally regulated, if it is just marijuana or alcohol."
What human beings chose to put in their bodies in this country are part of the essence of the Liberty Clause of our Constitution ........ Which has been seriously eroded.
When any drug use becomes so serious by a individual that it might harm society, It then becomes appropriate for society to take action .... against that individual.
Marijuana has not been show to cause such harm and is gradually being accepted as the least harmful illicit drug available by the more thoughtful persons in our country; and in fact far less harmful then many "legal" & controlled substances, such as alcohol & cigarettes and even Peanut butter ! (More directly attributed deaths to peanuts than Marijuana)
It is the largest cash crop in the United States on a state by state basis, and goes untaxed.
The harm done by its "illegality" is enormous ... from extortion& robbery to murder !
Were it legal, the profit benefit to the criminal element would disappear overnight, the courts would be unburdened by 750,000 simple possession cases, and a 100, 000 more serious cases ... possession with the intent to distribute, and if left to the free market with taxation at $50 per ounce from licensed growers ... would uplift the economy by 300 to 500 BILLION dollars a year. Since our prisons contain 40% drug related offenders, the savings there alone would be enormous!
Cost to society .... very little!
It would allow up to 45 million persons to come out of the closet from all walks of life,
and give a fresh breath of air to Liberty in this country!
Thanks again NocturnalPrincess for your thoughtful comment! | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 5/9/2009 2:31:23 PM | | My ex girlfriend did it, and it was tough to deal with. I didn't want it in my house, so these skanky men would come over and she would go out to their car and do it with them. If it was an occasional thing at a party it would be a completely different story, but I would never put up with that again. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2009 5:00:19 PM | i really don't get alot of you people out there lol.does everyone live in a glass house?i'm sure alot of you out there do worse things than smoke pot.and don't tell anyone about it.prescription drugs do a hell of alot more damage than pot.or the i don't smoke because it will show in my pee lol. give me a break . lol i can tell you that i am proud to be a drug free pot smoker lol. how many of you non pot smokers can say you are DRUG free.if you look in the bible, god gave us seed bearing plants for us to use for our benefit.how many other plants are there that are actually male and female? | |
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Posted: 5/9/2009 7:05:15 PM | I congratulate this thread, 1529 posts and still going strong.
Of course, the argument has been going 'round in circles since the very first page! | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 5/12/2009 4:36:30 PM | asydneymale
A lot has happened in the US in the last 6 months.
A change of a radical rightist executive branch, to a Democratic president; who with a phone call to his Attorney General, Eric Holder, instituted a policy change, which effectively stopped the federal governments attack on individual states rights, to legislate laws allowing Medical Marijuana!
This is a major change in this country! In states that have passed this type of legislation Medical marijuana is obtainable legally!
You are right ... after 1530 post the discussion here still appears to be going in circles!
But ... ignorance in any subject is difficult and slow to combat.
At least this discussion takes place and hopefully softens a few hearts and minds ....
and those that are forced to remain in the "closet" know they are not alone! | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 5/14/2009 2:13:20 PM | Here we go with another one of those discussions
Person A: Smoking marijuana is bad because it is illegal and it kills brain cells. I would never associate myself with a pothead because they're diluted.
Person B: I don't care either way. People choose what they put in their bodies, and who am I to say what does or doesn't belong in their body.
Person C: Smoking marijuana is perfectly OK for reasons A, B and C. If you think smoking marijuana is bad for you, you are wrong and I will do everything I can to prove you wrong. Marijuana should be legalized because alcohol and cigarettes are worse.
Person D: Who cares? | |
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Posted: 5/14/2009 3:20:50 PM |
Person A: Smoking marijuana is bad because it is illegal and it kills brain cells. I would never associate myself with a pothead because they're diluted.
Person B: I don't care either way. People choose what they put in their bodies, and who am I to say what does or doesn't belong in their body.
Person C: Smoking marijuana is perfectly OK for reasons A, B and C. If you think smoking marijuana is bad for you, you are wrong and I will do everything I can to prove you wrong. Marijuana should be legalized because alcohol and cigarettes are worse.
Person D: Who cares?
Isn't option 'D' made redundant by option 'B'? | |
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Posted: 5/14/2009 3:33:54 PM | Not entirely, because Person B obviously cared enough to give reasons for why they don't care. One who truly doesn't care, such as person D, would have never put thought into it in the first place.
You are correct though, it is redundant in a way. I didn't re-read my post...as I almost never do. | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 5/14/2009 10:46:23 PM | | Hello,can anyone say Illegal,criminal offense,jail time!.a woman does'nt need money to buy pot. Can you walk into a convenient store and buy it like a Pepsi?.Or do you have to do it behind closed doors,flying under the radar and committing shady deals in the shadows. It leads to Immoral and criminal behaviour. I'm not going to be at the wrong place at the wrong time and go down for someones stupidity! Will you prove it's not mine and take the rap and responsibility,if pulled over by the police? NO. | |
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Posted: 5/15/2009 3:20:09 AM | I am a proponent for the legalization of marijuana.
I had said I would never cite someone for marijuana that I could make disappear, and wouldnch'a know my first marijuana bust was like fifteen pounds. It was a consent search.
There was a consent search about twenty years ago, and a clever defense attorney got the evidence suppressed, because the suspects were deemed too stoned to be competent to authorize consent. They were legally incompetent so all of the evidence was denied.
Don't drink and drive. Don't smoke and drive. Order delivery and stay home.
I do not believe that marijuana leads to immoral and criminal behavior, and I also do not believe that it is a "gateway drug." I have had to babysit many prisoners who got arrested for heroin, and their gateway drug was legally prescribed Oxycontin, but when their script ran out they found out that heroin was easier and cheaper to get (synthetic heroin). | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 5/15/2009 4:10:28 PM |
a woman does'nt need money to buy pot.
What does that have to do with the price of eggs in Lower Mongolia?
The statement, by it's implication, is a insult to women as a group ....
Perhaps you could explain what you mean by it? | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 5/16/2009 8:12:03 AM | There is a load of bull kicking through this thread. If you're one of the 1% most conservative people on the planet the question isn't for you. The rest of us don't need to hear your plans to send 20% of the populace to prison and cut off appendages of a bunch of quiet dealers.
For others who don't smoke, but wish to broaden our circle with friends that may be dissimilar-- well its a worthwhile question. Is pot smoking a deal breaker?
Well, it does seem to calm folk with anger management issues. The illegality doesn't seem an issue where I live. There's no link up to greater crimes, health problems or dangerous lifestyles here. All the studies and whatever that anyone wishes to pound into this thread can't change the obvious - alcohol is a much more dangerous drug - cigarette smoking is a bit less healthy overall - indulgence in saturated foods and corn syrups are a more serious health issue in every sense. By the way, the world is more or less a sphere, stars are far away suns, we evolved from lesser creatures and dinosaur bones are not some practical joke meant to test our faith.
I prefer those who smoke even though I can't. Its a nice smell - and seems to isolate moments as recreational and relaxing. I like the cool little machines and intricate glass and bamboo bongs too.
But there's a defensive preachiness and inner-circle exclusiveness that smokers sometimes project - that's irritating to deal with, especially in groups. | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 5/16/2009 9:07:09 AM | | Dachrisman, you mentioned about pot being the medication of choice, what about when someone has been put on the disabled list by doctors, then he sells his prescribed pain killers to buy pot, he used to smoke cigs but got into pot and now every time his wife has a cig, he has a joint, in my view, any relief he may have got at one time is now lost. i wouldnt even stay in the same room as someone who smokes pot. DRUGS IS FOR MUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 5/16/2009 9:21:56 AM | | Okay to solve everyones question, pot has nothing to do with it. Something like 72% of canadians have either tried it or are still using it recreationally. The only thing that matters is when you are not willing to give up your chosen habit for the person you truelly believe may be the one. I mean its understandable if someone who doesnt smoke pot, does not wish to have it around them or even be around when it is being used, after all, do not forget, it is still illegal, however for someone to quit a frequent habbit for someone they just met is obsurd. On the other hand, they should have the respect for that other person and not do it in their presence. after the relationship builds and there is potential for future advancement, then maybe that person should think about quiting, or see if their partner is still okay with it or not. it all has to do with time really, how much do you truelly care about that person? | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 5/18/2009 6:41:42 PM | | being a doped out addle brained zombie is not what America should be about. we need clear thinkers, people who can help us to become a greater nation, not wastoids laying on the couch getting the munchies! good grief! | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 5/18/2009 10:30:04 PM | Mssg 1541: Prvt33r
I agree with your comment very much so.
I do not believe that anyone should be stoned all of the time, but I certainly see no problem with putting on a movie at home, smoking a joint, and then having some great sex. That is why I used the terms responsibilites and recreation time.
If I were to smoke right now and then make love, tomorrow I would still be a clear thinker. Now, if I smoked daily that is a different story. Alas, I do not smoke.
I would have to dig up the article, but if I recall correctly part of the reason that hemp was made illegal was because at one time the CEO of Dupont Corporation was related to the head of the DEA, and they had some products that were in direct competion.
As far as illegality, running a stop sign is also illegal, but amounts to a minor citation, and not something to fill our jails with.
The problems become when people are indulging in front of their children, NOT taking care of their responsibilities as adults (such as their children), and the people that are probably A$$HOLES to begin with become even worse when they consume chemicals. That is why we have Disorderly Conduct Intoxicated arrests...to get them off the streets until they sober up. Lately, the women have been worse than the men, but the culprit has been alcohol not marijuana.
Crack and heroin are serious problems. Home Invasions are not random. These drugs lead to many other crimes such as robberies, murders, burglaries, and prostitution, which leads to the spread of diseases. Plus, no one wants to see that in front of their homes. It is amazing to me how many people with subsidized everything always have tobacco cigarettes and overflowing ashtrays.
I am a non-smoker, so I have learned to be more assertive in asking people not to force me to endure second-hand smoke. That took me a long while, because one of the first things a person in crisis wants to do is have a cigarette and I am in their home. I am courteous and say please and thank you.
One night, we had a noise complaint for loud guitar playing after reasonable hours. They let us in and were very respectful, polite, and apologetic, and the problem was solved. They had a small party and had lost track of the time. I thanked the gentleman for letting us in and being cooperative, but took him to the side and advised him that, for in the future, he probably should have ditched the ashtray with the roach in it before he let us in. Had they been obnoxious, the results may have been very different. I probably should not admit that, but it was in his home, and what you do in your home should normally be your business, unless it is something like committing murder or kiddie porn and felony things.
One year I worked The Gravity Games. I guess you would have to be stoned to attempt the incredible, insane stunts that those competitors execute. You never saw so many young people with casts and crutches. I can honestly say that they were a good group and we did not have any problems nor one fight.
Pot doesn't per se make people stupid. Stupidity makes people stupid. If they are stupid to begin with, guess what? They are still going to be stupid! | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 5/19/2009 6:38:27 AM | | Wouldn't work for me. I have an aversion to going to jail and the smell is disgusting. Smoking of any kind is pretty bad for the health & lungs as far as I'm concerned. | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 5/19/2009 6:44:15 AM | | I hope they could! I for one LOVE smoking weed,I have been doing so since about 18. I state that on my profile,and know what? If someone can't handle that and would judge me on just that,then that's lame. It's a part of who I am. And again,if someone can't handle it,don't get to know me! Turn the other way!! Simple as that! | |
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| can non-pot smokers handle pot smokers?
Posted: 5/19/2009 8:01:28 AM | hmmmmmm so you don't have a problem with cigarette smokers...the top killer on the planet...but pot smokers are 'just plain stupid' Grow up.. | |
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