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Posted: 11/25/2005 3:28:53 PM | ^^^ We don't have a cure for any viruses as of yet, let alone HIV. Now Spiritual Cat has a friend that got a hold of a cure for a certain type of cancer outside the US, which does support the greed theory somewhat.
As for landing someone on the moon-- we couldn't do that again any time soon if we wanted to. Much of the know-how has been lost. Bad recordkeeping, I believe. We probably would not have accomplished it in the first place if it weren't for the heated competition with the Soviets.
Now, back to whoring... | |
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Posted: 11/25/2005 5:25:23 PM | I definitely see where Bright1 is coming from. Now I DO have a question though.
Say you and your partner both have a STD, does your child have it? So is that what he means? | |
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Posted: 11/26/2005 10:48:29 AM |
Say you and your partner both have a STD, does your child have it? So is that what he means?
Thats depends on the STD. Herpies for example WILL definately be transmitted to the child from the mother, but it may not be transmited as an STD.
Herpies can cause a variety of drifrent disease including skin lesions, cold sores (never have oral sex with a coldsore.) impotence and infertility, but each of these depends on where you get the Viral infection. For example Port wine stain birth marks can be caused by the skin lesion variety of Herpies (Gorbochofs head) but it is not transmitable to others in any way.
Even AIDs is not gauranteed in a baby if the mother contracts it during pregancy (the amniotic fluid is extreamly good at protecting the fetus from all forieghn bodies.). This is why mothers with AIDs are advised not to breastfeed. If the man has AIDs and gets a woman pregnant, the chances are again that the baby would not contract AIDs.
It all depends on the disease, some diseases will always infect the unborn child, some will rarely do so.
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I am now going to make a consios efort to ignore all of Gorila_Grods extreamly bigoted, fasiost opinions as everything he said is spurious! | |
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Posted: 11/26/2005 11:53:45 AM | | So it's basically a toss-up. Even if you were to marry a kid, then have babies, you would still have less diseases in the world than if you were to just spread them. Correct? | |
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Posted: 11/26/2005 12:07:59 PM | Yes, its a balance realy. Some deases would become harder to control and more prevelant sch as certain types of herpies or other STDs that have multiple methods of contraction, but most diseases would be isolated and contained and would eventualy die out as people did.
for example, AIDs is a permanent disease, you canot get rid of it (except for the one guy in scotland who has shaken it off) and if every AIDs sufferer were to mary another AIDs sufferer and have no children, then AIDs would die, but if every AIDs suffere maried a AIDs free person and had cildren, then AIDs would be spread readily throughout the population.
Hope that helps clear it up.
(Belive it or not this is actualy one of the basics of understanding evelotion through mutation.) | |
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Posted: 11/26/2005 12:10:58 PM | OK I can buy that. But what if it's a permanent disease that isn't as harsh as AIDS?
(I'm trying to get an idea now of what you are saying  ) | |
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Posted: 11/26/2005 12:23:40 PM | As I said before , it all depends on the circumstances.
If you have a permanment disease thats spread only through sex, and you have only one partner, and 2 babies then it depends on the transmition rate of the disease.
Its all about situation, and we will never have a straightforwards situation, so we can only guess and do single studies to try to work out what would happen.
Even human behaviour affects transmition rates. Condom use and washing for example. People use condoms and wash more comonly with multiple partners than single partners and so reduce thier risk of infection. (In that situation only though.)
Basicaly the best thing to remember is that the more disease or behaviours you try to take into acount (known as factors) the less acurate the results will be.
In the 70's, Gay men were most at risk of AIDs because of the particular behaviour and lifestyles of gay men at the time. Today, heterosexual couples are at more risk because the Gay lifestyle has changed and become more cautios of the risks. (In general that is.) | |
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Posted: 5/19/2006 2:57:48 AM | There is no biblical basis for the anti-sexual traditions taught by tradition bound Christian Churches. We have a huge section "The Bible, Christianity & Sexual Issues" at http://www.libchrist.com/bible/contents.html which goes into great depth on all the issues.
The only prostitutes condemned in the Bible are those who were priests and priestesses to other gods.
Regarding prostitution:
"Common" Prostitution Is Not A Biblical Conflict
Just like with other sexually repressive teachings of traditional Christianity much of what you think you know about biblical issues is based on traditional teachings that have no biblical basis. Just as tradition has twisted the original texts to try and argue that singles sexuality is wrong, or that swinging is adultery, they have also hijacked the real meaning of biblical prostitution and how it applies today.
Cultic Prostitution
Biblically cultic prostitution is clearly wrong. Cultic prostitution uses sex as idolatrous worship of the pagan goddess, such as the fertility Gods which the TEMPLE prostitutes had "johns" worshipping by having sex in the Corinthian temples which was what Paul so strongly preached against. Yes these prostitutes were worshipping the pagan goddesses in the Jewish Temples! Clearly we can understand why this was so upsetting! It as a clear violation of the First Commandment which requires no other gods before the one true God. In New Testament times, Venus and Aphrodite were the main gods of the Corinthian pagans. The temple of Venus was one of the most magnificent buildings in the city and the temple employed over 1000 prostitutes, which were paid for with public funds. Their purpose was to serve men in worship of the fertility gods so their feeds and cattle would be fertile. In Old Testament times, the Canaanites worshipped Baal was the Canaanite god of fertility and Astarte, love goddess of the Phoenicians. It was wrong for the children of Israel to go "a-whoring after other gods" which were these cultic prostitutes.
From "Halley's Bible Handbook" 1 Cor. 6: 9-20; "Venus was the principal Deity of Corinth. Her temple was one of the most magnificent buildings in the city. In it a thousand Priestesses, Public Prostitutes, were kept, at public expense, there always ready for Immoral Indulgence, as worship to their Goddess." The Christians continued to go to the temple for sexual indulgences with the priestesses of Venus. This was all Paul was talking about and he says nothing about loving sexual pleasure-sharing with non-goddesses'!
Greek travel-writer, Strabo (ca. 64 Bc-AD 21), regarding ancient Corinth writes: "And the temple of Aphrodite [in Corinth] was so rich that it owned more than a thousand temple-slaves, courtesans (hetairai ), whom both women and men had dedicated to the goddess. And therefore it was also on account of these women that the city was crowded with people and grew rich" (8.6.20; LCL trans.).
Non Goddess Prostitutes in the Bible
Since men could have as many wives and concubines (for breeding or just sexual enjoyment) as they could afford it may have been only the poorer men who would need prostitutes for sexual variety. They couldn't afford the "upkeep" of wives or concubines so they went to prostitutes for sexual pleasure and release.
Prostitution in Hebrew society was morally censored at times for legitimate reasons such as the knowing who would own the resulting children, with no effective birth control, but it was not illegal or a sin. Only Israelite priests were prohibited from marrying a prostitute. Listed as wrongs for which God will judge is trading "a boy for a harlot" (Joel 3:3). But being a prostitute (harlot or zonah in Hebrew) herself, if single, is guilty of no biblical crime unless she is a priest's daughter, in which case says Lev 21:9 she "profaneth her father" and "shall be burnt with fire."
Prostitution was common in biblical times. In Proverbs men are warned against squandering their money foolishly on prostitutes. But it was a money issue not morality. There was no law against prostitution for non-Hebrew women.
Today prostitution flourishes in Israel. Prostitution is not, and has never been, a crime under Israeli law. Some of the world's most popular brothels are in Tel Aviv. For Hebrew women it was very important to have a husband to have children with to maintain the Hebrew people. It was never considered adultery for a man, married or single, to have sex with a prostitute, as long as she was single (not owned by another man). It was only wrong if it was for the purpose of pagan goddess worship.
Judah saw nothing wrong in hiring a prostitute for the night.
Rahab "the harlot" was praised in Hebrews 11:31 and Jos 6:17 as an example of faith. Rahab was praised because she helped Israelite spies whom she hid and helped escape but the mention of her as "the harlot" wasn't a negative reference.
In Hosea 1:3, God commanded Hosea to marry a prostitute named Gomez. In Hosea 4:15, God said he would not punish the daughters of Israel when they turned to prostitution. (Someone Commented: These passages are allegories to Gods relationships with Israel, which at the time wasn't exactly good. The Hosea 4:15 reference I believe is saying that though Israel in general is acting as a harlot, Judah (one tribe of Israel) is not. EG, all of the tribes except Judah are acting as harlots. I think some of this could possibly support the notion that there was clearly a double standard - one for men, and another for women. And it certainly seems to be stating that it's not OK for women to cheat.) And men could always cheat as long as the "other women" was not married (owned by husband).
Other prostitutes mentioned in the Old Testament were the harlot of Gaza, whom Samson visited, and two squabbling prostitutes who asked Solomon to settle a dispute. It is simply reported the fact that they were prostitutes, no big deal, nothing is ever said in condemnation of their profession.
In fact the Hebrew judge Solomon may have done more whoring than judging (Judg 16:1-4), and Jacobs son Judah, mistaking his own veiled daughter-in-law for a harlot, hired her as a prostitute (Gen 38: 13-18). The leader Gilead fathered Jephthah by a prostitute which resulted in Jephthah's half-brothers, when dividing up the inheritance, left Jephthah out (Judg 11: 1-2).
Proverbs obviously views the foreign prostitute unsympathetically (oppressor, not victim) who with superior wealth and astuteness manages to seduce simple Israelite boys and husbands. In this trajectory we may also read Paul's treatment in 1 Cor. 6:9-20, where Christian men (especially husbands, whose wives may have taken vows of sexual abstinence to pray, 7:5) are warned against uniting with prostitutes. As perhaps in Proverbs, the prostitutes apparently are viewed as manifesting the demonic forces of pagan religion (cf. 10:18-22). Christians are exhorted to "flee" both the prostitutes and their idolatrous religion (6:18; 10:14). How Jesus would have managed to become a "friend" of prostitutes by continually "fleeing" from them, traditional sex-negative Augustinian commentators never tell us.
Since wealthy men didn't need prostitutes (they had plenty of wives and concubines) prostitution was certainly not a high Noble calling. But there clearly was nothing immoral or wrong from a biblical prospective with non-goddess prostitution. Today many men have little opportunity for sexual fulfillment so prostitutes are the only viable option. Sexual frustration results in men that become aggressive and are far more likely to sexually harass, abuse or rape women than men who are sexually happy and fulfilled.
Legal Prostitution in the Bible reflects the cultures double standard that while a wife must be faithful, a Hebrew man can have sex with an unmarried prostitute, or any other single woman, and not be committing adultery. But if the woman is a wife -owned by her husband under the patriarchal system of the Hebrews - then both she and her sexual partners are adulterers, a crime for which the penalty is death (Lev 20:10; Deut. 22:22).
In New Testament times, there also was nothing said about prostitution being wrong and in fact Jesus makes the point that harlots who believed John the Baptist will enter the kingdom of God before the chief priests and elders who rejected John's message (Matt. 21:31-32).
Today prostitution is not pagan idolatry nor the concubines of biblical times - women as breeders and for sexual pleasure. And nowhere in the Bible is a word said about that being wrong!! Today many women enjoy providing intimacy and sexual pleasure to men based on their choice without being owned as concubines for men and of course always using safe sex to avoid "breeding" and so its a very healthy interaction both physically and emotionally.
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