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Posted: 11/29/2005 3:23:49 PM | The body plus the breath of God is a living soul..
It also sounds like hell should be full mostly of children and miscaried embryos!..wrong
The bible is clear about the age of accountability.
Why are you so against God being real? I'm just curious. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2005 3:32:47 PM | Hell was originally created for Satan and his angels. In the future it will contain those who join Satan in rejecting God. If you reject God's provision for the forgiveness of your sins then you will join the Devil who rejected God from the beginning. Is that what you want?
Could you believe in a God who would become a human, suffer at the hands of humans, and be killed by them, all so that His death could be the payment for their sins? That is extremely loving. God is saving people who deserve to go to hell and we all deserve that. Remember that the same God that sends people to hell also died for them. If you reject what God has provided then what is God left to do? He would have to judge them.
Whether you believe in something or not does not change the fact of its existence. Jesus spoke often of hell (Matt. 25:41-46; Mark 9:47-48; Luke 16:19-31) and warned us so we would not go there. Would you say Jesus didn't know what He was talking about?
Are you implying that it is unjust for God to send people to hell? If so, then you accuse God of injustice. Sin is wrong and it must be punished. What would you have God do to those who oppose Him and do evil? Do you want Him to ignore that which is wrong? Do you want Him to turn His head and not be holy and righteous? | |
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Posted: 11/29/2005 3:40:07 PM | Funn1, I will admit that Ido not know the bible inside and out. Thats why ask.
what exactly is the age of acountability in the bible, no one has mentioned this to me before with the many times I have used this argument. I shall stop ussing it now that I have been shown to be wrong.  | |
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Posted: 11/29/2005 3:45:03 PM | | Daviemckie, if everyone deserves to go to hell, but can be saved fromthis fate by following christ, then I have to say would not want to do so. I have never and will never shirk my responsabilities. If I had murdered someone but could get off going to jail as punishent, by lying about it, I would not. If I had murdered someone then I deserve to be punished and avoiding such punishment would be to just compound my wrongs. Simalarly if i truely deserve to go to hell then I shall do so for avopiding going to hell would be wrong and imoral. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2005 3:52:38 PM | what exactly is the age of acountability
most ppl will tell you around 12, but I will say if you look at what the bible says it does very a bit, and if you look at Jesus he was 30 when he was baptized. The bible says to knoweth to do good and do it not to him it is sin. I belive there could be grown ppl that could have brain injuries and such that will never be acountable. The bible says God is fair and just. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2005 3:57:35 PM | That sounds fair, but I would still like some scripture to check myself if you don't mind.
I'm just curious now though, why no one has mentioned the age of acountabilty to me before. I had alwasy been led to belive that EVERYONE was acountable. I don't know, maybee it is a British or USAmerican thing? | |
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Posted: 11/29/2005 4:05:05 PM | Deuteronomy 1:39
Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.
This the only one that is close that comes to mind but it is not right, it just goes with what i was saying. I will find them for you .
I dont know why you were never told of this I know the Jews,Baptist,Nazarene, mormon and Prespaterian churchs belive and teach it. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2005 4:19:44 PM |
Jesus spoke often of hell (Matt. 25:41-46; Mark 9:47-48; Luke 16:19-31)...
Jesus spoke much more of heaven than of hell (too many to cite, quessing at least 4xs) ... it is called the gospel "good news" not the epic of doom and gloom! | |
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Posted: 11/29/2005 4:41:14 PM |
It also sounds like hell should be full mostly of children and miscaried embryos!
And what about the mentaly retarded?
If Christ was perfect and sinless then why was he baptised? I.e baptism is a washing away of your sins.
He was baptised for those who did not or could not know God. Christ washed away the sins of the very children, retards, etc that you talk about and has brought them into his kingdom.
Sometimes I wish I was a retard.  Actually some on this forum might think that I am. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2005 4:47:43 PM | He also did it as an example for what we should do.
John said to Jesus I should be baptized of you, he knew he had no sin but Jesus said suffer me this. So we could see what we should do. and yes for the ones who cant be baptized as well. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2005 5:56:45 PM | Yeah, it would be pretty hard for a modern day religion to claim all the babies, children and retards are going to hell. That would just be bad. A miscarriage, child's death or retardation is hard enough for a person to go through.
Along the same lines, some religions also have a way to save people in the past, who didn't have a chance to reject their God's teachings, so that when people convert, they dont think granny is in hell. Because that would just be bad too. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2005 6:00:22 PM | | Once your in the grave you cant change your mind, I have only heard of one church who teaches something else, Im sure there are more but if you go by what the bible says you will not find one thing even close to saying you can do things for the dead to save them. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2005 8:32:19 PM |
Really? I thought there was an accountability thing for that, like if you hadn't been taught about Jesus, you get judged differently or something...
I may be wrong.
Can person in this day and age truly claim to have not heard? maybe in some poor and underdeveloped countries. but not in our society. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2005 8:57:12 PM | In days of yore, the belief in "hell-fire" served a useful purpose because it no doubt deterred many from committing the truly horrible crimes that they might have without that fear of eternal damnation lurking in their selfish souls. Having been in our day and age so thoroughly discredited, this belief is no longer of much use in that regard and sometimes I wonder if that is progress.
Nevertheless, despite the credence lent to this idea by a very few passages in the Bible that may or may not be genuine quotes of Jesus, it is not an idea that, in its popular form at least, is worthy of belief by people who believe in a loving God. In this day and age, the insistence by many on the existence of Hell as a place of fiery torment reserved for the punishment of sinners and nonbelievers for all eternity with no hope of escape, has no doubt turned away many who might otherwise be receptive to the message of Christianity.
How can people who believe that a God who is eternally merciful and forgiving, "not taking joy in the punishment of sinners", can also be so eternally vindictive that He would roast them forever for the sins committed in one short lifetime on Earth? If so, would He not be a cosmic monster worse than a Hitler who tortured his victims but not for all eternity? I can hear it now: some will say, it's not God who tortures them, it's the devil! Come on, who's really in charge here, God or the devil?
There are more sensible beliefs that allow for a God that is both merciful AND just. To name a few: the Catholic belief in a purgatorial state and my personal favorite, the theory of reincarnation.
To answer the question asked by the OP, no, I don't think I am going to a "hell" as described above but I do believe that I, like everyone else, will reap what I sow, for good or for evil. If we do things that are truly "hellish", at some point in this life or in another, here on Earth or in some other spiritual realm, there will be something "hellish" for us to contend with -- not because God takes pleasure in punishing us but because "whom the Lord loveth, He chasteneth." | |
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Posted: 11/30/2005 12:17:22 AM | [/Dianalin>>>> Take a look at this website, it can ask serious questions about the Musili religion: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp ....This is only meant to be helpful, I am not personally telling you what to believe.]
So I did take a look at dis website at 1st I type chick.com and it turns out to be 'porn' and I was thinking somebody is pulling my leg here then after serious search..found it.
Truly Motif...How can U believe everything U ve read or told...D author on Islam is unsubstantiated at all..he just wrote and wrote....no reference to any data or facts or any books at all..hes not even convincing at all..Pure evil dis man..Found out dat hes not even a Dr.. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2005 9:26:10 AM | Dianalin- You are brilliant and beautiful. Motif is a bigoted instigator. Responding to his harassment and delusions of christian grandeur is a waste of time unless it amuses you.
Zealots of his kind need therapy, and pharmaceuticals. Sometimes physical restraints
to aid the chemical.
Do not attempt serious discourse. It's pointless. Tease him if you must, it's fun.
But don't let him upset you.  | |
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Posted: 11/30/2005 10:41:00 AM | hey Johnnay! have you gotten a thank you card from SATAN,cuz mine musta gotten lost in yhe mail who made that comment about John Lennon?! are you mad-as a hatter?!!! the ONLY thing poor John needed saving from was the nutjob that viciously cut him down because 'god' told him to. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2005 3:53:21 PM | Mssg# 63
He was baptised for those who did not or could not know God. Christ washed away the sins of the very children, retards, etc that you talk about and has brought them into his kingdom.
Gotta say that I love this post! It gave me a few things to think about ... thanks Service. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2005 5:47:29 PM | Firstly, please don't use the word retards and make jokes about it, its just wrong and very UN-cristian.
Secondly, Motif, you claim to be a space alien on your profile, so how you can make a personal attack of another person who you know nothing about is beyond me. I don't suppose you noticed that she is from outside the US did you? Not every country in the world requires its Lawyers to be boring old men in wigs you know.  | |
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Posted: 11/30/2005 6:12:45 PM | | You are right Bright. Although I was not the originator I should have cut that portion out when reposting, my apologies for missing the "slang". I was sincerely interested in the "baptism" response and would never make a joke about any misfortune suffered by another. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2005 7:11:48 PM | Apology accepted river_loon.
I alos am intrested in the baptism post. I was wondering, is the baptism a litteral washing away of sins (you no longer have your original sins) in which case woul'd it not be necicery for it to be repeated any time you transgressed... or is the baptism a metaphorical washng away of sins, in which case would it not be posibleto do any sybolical action to reprasent this (and if it this then why did Jesus say you had to follow as he had done and be baptised, when he could have just told a parable instead?)??? | |
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