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Posted: 12/1/2005 8:45:43 AM | Compared to Mary Kay Letourneau, she did get a slap on the wrist.
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Oh yeah,she got a whole three months and had to give up custody of the child the kid fathered.It's still nothing when you compare what a man will get for doing the same crime. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 12/1/2005 4:58:44 PM | | ahhh poop! my high school teacher blew me and I loved every damned second of it. I would never have turned her in for it, it was faaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr to much fun going to class hoping that it was going to happen again. Those kids just don't know how to keep thier mouths shut. They should be thankful that some woman is willing to show them how it's done. However, again there is a double-standard here. In no way whatsoever should a "Male" teacher do anything with a female student. That's just wrong. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 12/1/2005 6:17:53 PM | Letourneau serverd 7 1/2 years.
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The piece I read said three months.Isn't she the one that ended up marrying the kid after he turned 18 after she got out?They all run together after a point.We're definitely hearing about more women having sex with minor guys these days.Anyway,my point is women don't get the same treatment for the same crime.A guy doing the same thing will face 15 to 20. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 12/1/2005 6:19:14 PM | However, again there is a double-standard here. In no way whatsoever should a "Male" teacher do anything with a female student. That's just wrong.
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What makes it right for one and wrong for the other? | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 12/1/2005 7:47:45 PM | | She was charged with 2nd degree rape of a child, and pleaded guilty. She was sentenced to 7 ½ years, but it was reduced to 6 months, as long as she abided by her conditions of parole. She violated her parole and the suspended sentence was revoked and the original sentence of 7 ½ for rape was reinstated on Feb. 98, she was released Dec.1 2005 | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 12/1/2005 11:24:55 PM |
What makes it right for one and wrong for the other?
again, it's a double-standard. It's not really right, but it exists. However, just think about it. When I was getting blown by my teacher I thought I was king sh*t at my school. but, if it was a girl getting eaten out by the football coach, she would have had to go to therapy her whole life to deal with the horrific event.
I'm very happy she was so obliging. Taught me some good things. Just the way a teacher should be. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2005 2:47:39 AM | | Here in Canada, it's 14. WAY too young. If a 14 year old wants to have sex with a 14 year old, that's one thing. But if a 14 year old wants to have sex with an 18 year old (or even 17? Where should the line be these days? I dunno...) that should definitely not be legal. In ANY way. When you get to be an adult, a couple years isn't so bad, but as a teenager, a couple years can be a huge difference... | |
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Posted: 12/2/2005 7:49:08 AM | | @Excellentia:Therapists will argue on the damage done.Although it's different between the sexes,sex at too young of an age is still damaging,it just manifests itself differently.With girls it's a self worth issue,with guys it's a sexual/emotional detachment issue.It's wrong to assume because the damage isn't visible that it's not there necessarily. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 12/2/2005 7:56:35 AM | Are there any actual statistics to show what the average sentence is , male vs. female
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That's a very good question.I think the problem with getting accurate stats is twofold.For one thing laws are different from state to state and each case is different,with it's own mitigating/agrivating circumstances.I know there was a case on Dateline where a 30 something woman met this 15 year old on the internet,flew across the country to meet him where they had an affair for a few months.He fell in love with her and when the parents found out,she was charged.I think she did about 3 years,not in a maximum security prison though.I think the parents sued her as well in civil court for damages as the kid had to undergo therapy. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 12/2/2005 8:10:29 AM | Are there any actual statistics to show what the average sentence is , male vs. female
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I haven't fully researched this,but if anyone would have such stats,these people would.Try this:
mensactivism.org | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 12/2/2005 8:25:18 AM | | I can see your point but he was in a position of trust he was the teacher her the pupil. Who is to say she was sl utty just because that is your idea of some 15yr olds nowdays. She may in reality have been rather vulnerable and him play on that. He may have made a mistake as u put it but then again he is old enough not to make mistakes like that. I'm a parent, nearlly 27 and I have had allsorts of msgs off of 15/16 yr old and there is NO WAY I would even contemplate speaking to them let alone thinking of them in a sexual way. U say about alcohol and drugs to seduce or rape a gal but I think sum can just be manipulated easily. they may seem mature in someways but I look back to when I was that age and yes I thought at the time I was an adult but know now how that was sooo not true | |
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Posted: 12/2/2005 8:41:06 AM | | Well not to long ago here in Texas there was a senior that turned 18 and was the star football player and had great grades and had a scholarship to just about any school that he wanted to go to. But he was dating a freshman that was 15 almost 16, well to put a long story short her father found out that they were having sex, and turned him in now all of his scholarships have been taken away and is facing 25yrs. in prison. I do agree that a 20 yr old should not be having sex with a minor but what about something like this where they are classmates? Is this fare? | |
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Posted: 12/2/2005 9:48:47 AM | Firstly, I haven't read the whole thread, but I read some of the first page and know the content.
I just wanted to say how I'm dissappointed at how everyone condemns the guys, despite the fact that in a lot of these cases, the girls either went after the guy, like in that bar incident using a fake ID, or lies about her age in some other settings.
Here in the UK the legal age for consent is 16, yet the youngest girl to have a baby in this country, was only 11 years old. (I think she may of actually got pregnant at 11, and had the child soon after her 12th birthday, I can't remember the specifics of the case, maybe someone else from the UK can fill in any blanks).
Recently in the news, was a family of 3 sisters who were all 16 and under who were all pregnant "just because the first one was". I forget which was got preggers first, I think it was the youngest (I think she was 13), but the only reason the other two got pregnant was because they were jealous of their sister. Plus, their mother was their only parent (dunno where their father was), and apparantly she was happy/fine/non-bothered by her daughters' pregnancies. I think she realised one important thing, and that was that the girls CHOSE this course in their lives.
Now, here's where I'd like to make a personal statement about my thoughts on the age of consent. I find it offensive and insulting. I'll explain:
Everyone hears people saying how girls don't belong to guys, and vice versa, and that how people have the right to make their own decisions, and should be free to do so. This is what young teenagers are beginning to do today, and I support them for doing so.
BEFORE YOU FLAME ME AS SOME PERVERT, read on.
Having said that, we have the issue of high teenage pregnancies, STDs and of course pedo's preying on these young sexual adventurers (I'd rather not call them sluts [girls] or 'the man' [guys], as it isn't accurate or right).
Once again the failing is education, and the right of punishment for youngsters. I think the age of consent in holland/denmark (or somewhere there), is 12 years old if memory serves, yet they have the lowest figures for teenage pregnancy in the world. Why? Because children are PROPERLY TAUGHT sexual education from 11 years old (again, this was the case a few years ago, it may have changed since then, and please note that I may have the country wrong, holland/denmark is a guess, but the other details are accurate as I remember them).
The result? Any of these teenagers who decide to go out and explore their sexuallity, alerady know about hormones, emotional problems, pregnancies, but MORE IMPORTANTLY, they know how to use, effectively I might add, all the forms of birth control including condoms.
This is how I'd like to see things progress. Regardless of what the age of consent is, I fully support a couple who make their owns choices, and are prepared to fully accept the physical and psychological concequences after the act. Also, it's EXTREMELY important, that any decision made, is a completely informed choice.
Now, think about me what you will, but I support people who make their own choices, and accept the responsibilities and concequences of their actions. If people destroy their lives becuase of a choice they made, I think that is punishment enough. I for one don't want to see a girl having to raise a child on her own, that she CHOSE to have, while the father was taken away somewhere to rot in a box, for what.. a mutual choice that was made? And people wonder why kids grow up hating the government and police forces, while their single parent mums are at home trying to scrap pennies together, just to exist.. as when they're in that situation thay do not live.
I'm all for punishing those who rape, abuse and violate those who don't want to participate in any sexual act, but if two people choose that path, it's their life and their choices. For that courage, I salute, support and completely and utterly respect them and their wishes.
As long as person A isn't hurting themselves or persons B, C or community D, it's none of my business if they wish to enrich/ruin their lives. They're not hurting me, so I'm not gonna make it my lifes mission to hurt them. I just find it sad that the majority of people, government, police or otherwise, seem to think it's up to them to make the personal lives of everyone THEIR business, when it's not.
They not hurting me, so I leave them be. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 12/2/2005 9:56:45 AM | I think it should depend on when he turned 18, was he 17 his senior year and turned 18
durring his senior year?
I think there should be some kind of exemption then.
Consentually boinking someone two and a half years younger then you are doesn't seem to me to be a crime worthy ruining a kids life and putting him away for 25 years.
An 18 year old senior in high school is light years different then an 18 year old
in college or working full time or serving in the military.
I think we should bring the dad up on charges for being an a***. 50 years hard labor! | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 10:30:45 AM | I haven't read the entire thread either. But thought I would post this, since a lot of people might not be aware.
In Canada, the age of consent was 14. This year, however (February, I believe), it's been changed to 16. Now, anyone under the age of 16 can still engage in sexual activity, AS LONG AS THEY ARE WITHIN 2 YEARS OF AGE. So a 14 year old and 12 year old can engage in sexual activity, and it is not against the law. However a 14 year old and a 19 year cannot. A person 16 years of age can consent to sexual activity with whoever they want.
Not sure if I fully agree with this or not... but I thought it would be useful for any parents out there!
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Posted: 6/9/2008 10:54:09 AM | | I think that judges should consider the setting. If you met somebody under-age in a bar, then that shouldn't be criminal. As far as your friend sleeping with a fifteen year-old girl, I'm assuming she was a student at the school he works in. If so, "fry his a**"! | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 11:54:03 AM | | I agree with the poster above, cause if you meet a girl in a bar you have to assume she is 21, or at the very least 18 with a fake ID unless she looks like she's 12. But you are defending your friend who slept with a 15 year old student because he is your friend and thats all. Now you are crusading for anyone else caught in this situation. 15 is 15 and that should be disgusting for anyone your friends age. You know the punishment before it happens, yet he did it anyway. I'm glad he's being put away for a long time, abusing his job as a tutor/coach to those young girls. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 12:10:14 PM | yes this guy is sick one, what can anyone see in a "child" a man or woman who does this needs put away for a long time and lots of therapy and hope they do not run into the parent who is just crazy enough to render a verdict prior to trial...(colt 45 justice)..
I cant understand, whats the alure? older women are much better at sexual pleasures than any young person could ever wish to be | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 12:34:11 PM | Hmm... interesting... I'm sorry to have not read every post before replying, but it seems that everyone is condemning a man for making an error in judgement.
I was 14 when I first had sex, and while it wasn't under the best circumstances, it was my choice.
When I was 15, I was sexually abused by a friend of the family.... Now, that is wrong, I did not consent to it and I probably should have reported him.
But the fact remains... there is a huge difference between consensual and non consensual sex. At 15, a girl generally knows what she is doing and if she agrees to it, I don't see the problem...
The base point should always be consensuality. I don't believe a girl of 12 should be having sex... but if a girl is a couple of years past the onset of puberty, knows what sex is, then if she consents, it is her choice.
You don't see many people getting upset about boys having sex young. Typical double standards. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 1:14:07 PM |
I think that judges should consider the setting. If you met somebody under-age in a bar, then that shouldn't be criminal.
Oh yes it should be.
If your buying her drinks on top of trying to get in her knickers the judge should throw you under the jail, and rightfully so. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 1:33:19 PM | kanaduh-should not the underage individual also be charged for false ID and that mitigate some of the penalty??
Of course every bartender will tell you, "If in doubt, card 'em yourself...don't totally rely on the doorman". but when you are drinking in a 21+ bar, you are impaired and not really thinking about the possibility of a teen Successfully using a fake ID...how much of the blame SHOULD you recieve??? | |
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