| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/9/2008 2:25:27 PM | | The legal age for going to a bar is 18 in Alberta. When I was 18, I assumed that everyone there was of legal age. Perhaps I was naive at that age, but asking the girl you're chatting with in a night-club for identification before proceeding seems like extreme over-kill to me. I'm glad that was years ago. These days it seems like a lot of women over 30 are trying to look like they're 21 and most girls under 20 are trying to look 25. It has to be really tough for young men today, and that's why I think the judge should take the setting into consideration, Kanaduh! | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/9/2008 2:54:39 PM | he was wrong but the judge will not likely throw the book at him as hard.
if the girl was younger he would get 25 years, in his case he deserves 5-10
also.... I work in a school and we are strictly forbidden to DATE a student no matter what her age. If she's over 18 we would not face jail time but would lose our job. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/9/2008 2:55:36 PM | Op-
Even if the person had been beyond the age of consent, in many states there are laws against faculty engaging in such conduct with students. Even if the student is 18 years old, it's still not something that you can do- educators are supposed to follow the same "position of trust" rules that doctors and psychologists are supposed to follow.
I feel AOC rules are good to have in place. I also feel that "position of trust" rules are good to have in place. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/10/2008 1:38:28 PM | | I dont think age matters, maturity does. I've seen 2o year olds with the minds of 15 year olds, who says they are any more entitled to have sex then a 15 year old who is intelligent and mature? Its a personal decision that is no one's but theirs to make. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/10/2008 6:56:56 PM | I know I had a sexual experience when I was much younger. I have no 'regrets' per se about it. I think I turned out fine, based on whatever that could have done to me.
Based on that I don't think I agree with the laws. But I'm sorry to those where it didn't work that way. It's horrible. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/10/2008 7:23:48 PM | | If kids are going to have sex, they should be doing it with other kids - not with the gym teacher. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/10/2008 9:12:02 PM | | Outdated? We live LONGER than 100-200-300 years ago, not shorter lives. So yeah they are outdated, we should RAISE the age of consent. I am not in favor of loosening our pedophilia laws and sanctioning child molestation. If I were 18 years old, or not a parent, perhaps I would soften my stance. But as a parent of a 3 year old girl, and now a 31-year-old man, I think it should just be 18 and up to do it..across the board (maybe I will get FLAMED for that crazy idea). | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/11/2008 10:54:18 AM |
The legal age for going to a bar is 18 in Alberta. When I was 18, I assumed that everyone there was of legal age. Perhaps I was naive at that age, but asking the girl you're chatting with in a night-club for identification before proceeding seems like extreme over-kill to me. I'm glad that was years ago. These days it seems like a lot of women over 30 are trying to look like they're 21 and most girls under 20 are trying to look 25. It has to be really tough for young men today, and that's why I think the judge should take the setting into consideration, Kanaduh!
Oh so you should have no responsibility of finding out how old the woman is that your not only buying drinks for, but intend on taking home to have sex with?
Sorry but the older more mature adult in the situation has the responsibility making sure that what they are doing is legal. The judge would also tell you that. It seems that our society has reached a new low in taking responsibility for their own actions. Blame someone else seems to be the order of the day. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/11/2008 11:04:07 AM | The guy's definetly responsible. I'd kick his ****ing ass if that was my daughter he ****ed. Like really bad.
Doesn't matter what she looks.Big tits, nice ass....he's still the "coach". He's supposed to teach sports, not how to suck****
OMG, im picturing myself as this girls dad...finding out she banged the coach. That dude would be so ****ed.
Wait till he goes into lock up, guys gona get his shit PACKED!!! | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/11/2008 5:55:43 PM | You can throw all your stories you want. A kid at 15 is not emotionally capable enough to be in a relationship with an adult or anyone else for the most part. You act like sex is natural for young people and with the STD rate among teens the highest in history @ 25%; 40% in the African American community; then its obvious they are clueless.
He shouldnt' face hard time but he should face time. Being horny doesnt' make it right. And yes, you are a child molester having sex with a child. You molested them. Not really that hard. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/11/2008 8:54:03 PM | Most 18 year olds aren't ready to handle an adult relationship. The line has to be cut somewhere, and lower is not the answer. Saying that the age of consent laws are outdated implies that people are maturing faster. Yes, kids today are mentally growing up faster in some ways, but in others they are growing up slower. On the physical side, I know my family history and I've seen pictures of what people looked like in decades past, and kids being physically more mature at age 13 or 15 is not all that evident. Children have to be protected from scumbags, and any person who would try to get off on a person who is under age 18 (with more than a 3 year age difference) is a scumbag. That being said, the problem with an 18 or 19 year old having relations with a person under age 18 is that the younger person cannot give consent to have sex with someone there own age. That is an unrealistic expectation, but the "adults" aren't required to go without sex, just to limit their partners to the huge population of other "adults". Besides, if you truly care about someone you can wait, maybe not through abstinence but at least by not potentially abusing that person. It would have been less than a three year wait for the scumbag mentioned in the post, and it's unlikely she would have found "the one" if they dated others while waiting. He did not want to wait, so hopefully the men he'll be in lock-up with won't want to wait either.
That being said, children need to be held accountable for their crimes. It might be hard to determine who was coerced and who wasn't, but when it is evident all guilty parties should be punished. I knew girls in high school who should have gone to juvenile detention for their actions, but there weren't many.
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Not every girl with big tits is at least 18, and having them certainly does not mean she's ready for an adult to have his way with her. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/12/2008 5:36:18 AM |
I still have twin fourteen-year-old daughters under my wing and one of them is an up-and-coming soccer star. Because games happen out-of-town and I don't have a car, she sometimes sleeps over at the coach's house so they can hit the road at 6:00 a.m. for Saturday's game.
I know the man, I trust him. One of his daughters is on the same team and the coach and my daughter are never alone in the house. I pray to God I'm not being gullible here, but I'm OK with this situation.
If he ever laid a hand on my girl, I would walk heaven and earth to bring him to justice.
What if she laid a hand on him?
The reality is that he'd still be crucified and she'd get off scott-free. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/12/2008 7:14:31 AM | ^ That's where thinking with your brain comes in.
I have very little pity for people like the one mentioned in the OP. Being adult means being able to say no. Aside from that, they drill it into you that you are not to do such things. It is mentioned multiple times in most education curriculum. They tell you, "You are not to...." and give you a nice long list of what is inappropriate conduct. You can't violate the rules by accident. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/12/2008 7:40:34 AM | Re the Opost
IMO the age of sexual consent should be the same as the age of "adulthood" in general: vote, go to war, drink, etc.
If teenagers are sexually "adults" earlier these days, then, to be consistent, they should ALSO have to go to war, drink, be tried as an adult, and be allowed to have sex at the same earlier age. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/12/2008 8:18:43 AM | im going to post to this thread without reading all of it something i rarely do ...but right now i dont have the time to read the whole thread
i use to work in corrections...aka jailer ....at that time i knew this young inmate and in essence he was doing 5 years for sleeping with his wife ....he was 19 at the time of the alleged crime ...and his girlfriend was 16 ...he had been dating her for several years even before he became 18 ....and they were having consensual sex ...and her mother knew and allowed it ....but the couple had a fight and broke up this fight included the whole family ...and the mother filed charges for statutory rape ....or as is now known as contributing to the delinquency of a minor ...but the couple kissed and made up and everyone was happy ...the mother went and dropped the charges ...and signed for them to get married ...which they did ...but the state took up the charges and some judge decided he would push his morals on everyone else ...and the judge and some wanting to make a name for himself prosecutor convinced them that it was in his best interest to plea and take 5 years and become a registered sex offender ...or they were going to go for 15 years if they went to trial....me myself would have went to trial even if it cost me 15 ..i dont believe there are 12 people that would think this is right... but you never know
i saw some pretty bad things when i was in law enforcement...on both sides of the badge ..but hating hypocrites i had to give up what i started as a noble venture...now I am an ex cop that has very little respect for the legal establishment...there are very few people that can withstand the corruption of authority | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/15/2008 4:30:47 AM |
I know I'm gonna get flamed for this one and I know age of consent laws vary from state to state and different in other countries than the USA but here goes:
My opinion is that anyone who is going to violate sexual boundaries set up by our society and/or another person IS a pedophile. A man or woman who has sex with a fifteen year old is, by legal definition, a pedophile. Case in point, my step-father attempted to rape my 16 year old sister, she turned him in, at which point he confessed to having molested his two daughters, both at age five (different times) I have heard of too many freaks who say "well, she was SO close to 18". Legal age is not the main issue, the main issue is violation, There are no excuses, I dont care if the boy or girl is 24 hours away from their 18th b-day (or whatever the statute is depending on the State) there are NO excuses. Dont post on here expecting to find people who approve this, or make wishy washy statements about how it "could" feasibly be ok. I think society stands pretty united on this one. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/15/2008 4:33:16 AM |
I know I had a sexual experience when I was much younger. I have no 'regrets' per se about it. I think I turned out fine, based on whatever that could have done to me.
The issue is NOT about fifteen year olds having sex. The issue is about an adult having sex with a child. End of discussion.
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/15/2008 1:37:50 PM | Not only are the age of consent laws outdated, but they have been for a long time. A man or woman has in some of these instances NO proveable responsibility in the knowledge of the girls age. Women in American as well as some European cutlures these days are geared toward looking as young as possible as well as being outwardly sexual. I routinely see girls 14 - 15 years old wearing sexually explicit clothing and have known many to be very sexually active. I see commonly 18+ year old women who look 14 and vice-versa because of cultural demands on beauty.
Here's a shocking truth, I'm a Psychology major and I get to break the news. There is no substancial evidence to suggest that consentual sex at the age of 14 is Psychologically damaging or Traumatizing. There is also no credible evidence to suggest that sex in the younger teenage years is unenjoyable or harmful, in fact there is a pile of evidence to the contrary. While it is true that teenage girls are generally less responsible, which can lead to problematic situations such as pregnancy or STDs, the sexual interaction in of itself is not harmful.
Another shocking truth, many men above the age of 18 have fantasized about having sex with underage girls. Again our cultural demands on beauty currently demand a slim, toned and petite body with crystal clear skin and outward ditzy / sexual behavior. These traits are emphasized heavily in todays teenagers, making them very appealing to older males.
Another shocking truth, there are many 14-15 year old girls who have already engaged in sexual activity if you ask them. They are not the majority and the level of activity varies, but it is commonplace. I myself had sex for the first time when I was 15 and the girl was 14, and we were also both drunk, and a friend was also involved. None of us have significant traumatic problems or any regrets outside that of which a normal mature person might or might not.
Going back through history, people had sex at 14 years old commonly and sometimes children even younger. The truth is by the early teenage years although a girls body is still undergoing the changes of puberty and maturity, mentally and physically they are indeed often ready for sex. This is why instances of masturbation first commonly occur at this age and younger.
So to answer your question, yes, age of consent laws are outdated and quite honestly not every person imprisoned for "Sex with a minor" has engaged in it in a form by which they were taking advantage of the person. Nor does every situation involved Psychological issues, many of these men are simply going to prison and having their lives ruined for sexual activity that will be compareably traumatic to that of an 18+ fully developed adult female. In all likelihood the court case, trial and talks with lawyer / parents will be far more traumatic as they put a burden of guilt on the minor. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/22/2008 7:06:04 AM |
As long as person A isn't hurting themselves or persons B, C or community D, it's none of my business if they wish to enrich/ruin their lives. They're not hurting me, so I'm not gonna make it my lifes mission to hurt them. I just find it sad that the majority of people, government, police or otherwise, seem to think it's up to them to make the personal lives of everyone THEIR business, when it's not.
Ish, just reading your words makes me want to vomit, I know what you are trying to do with the minimizing and justifying, and believe me, no one buys it, other than your other freakish friends. We are talking of CHILDREN whose brains aren't developed enough to make AN INFORMED DECISION and an adult who KNOWS the mental emotional, physical and spiritual NEGATIVE consequences of having sex with a child. You seem like one of those freaks who thinks its all "ok" as long as an adult isn't raping the child. But a child CANNOT make a truly informed decision on sexuality, and also isn't developmentally ready emotionally, mentally or PHYSICALLY to handle the full consequences of having sex. You have a wonderfully clever way of deluding yourself by performing all these mental gymnastics but your main assumption and the basis of your whacked out argument is wrong. A CHILD cannot understand the decision that they are being pressured into making. You are one of the reasons why I am going into prosecution, and believe me with the newfound acknowledgment of child sex abuse there are more like me comin'.Man, you need help, go huddle in the corner with the rest of the NAMBLA freaks. You're lucky I don't get to mete out justice, or you'd be in the corner of a box. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/22/2008 7:10:31 AM |
Here's a shocking truth, I'm a Psychology major and I get to break the news. There is no substancial evidence to suggest that consentual sex at the age of 14 is Psychologically damaging or Traumatizing. There is also no credible evidence to suggest that sex in the younger teenage years is unenjoyable or harmful, in fact there is a pile of evidence to the contrary. While it is true that teenage girls are generally less responsible, which can lead to problematic situations such as pregnancy or STDs, the sexual interaction in of itself is not harmful.
The studies you are referring to were studies done on teenagers having sex WITH EACH OTHER! NOT in reference to an adult penetrating a child, or teenager. Nice try, keep tellin' yourself this sh!t just so you feel normal. Thats good though, now all of us Mothers out here know to stay away from your perverted self, thanks for the forewarning. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/22/2008 9:19:08 AM | Actually since I didn't reference any specific studies, you can't rebute what I said by saying what they were in reference to. There are plenty of examples of 18+ having sexual relationships with teenagers without it causing significant mental or physical issues. If you examine American age of consent laws, they in of themself allow in some states girls aged 14-16 years to get married. Furthermore age of consent laws also allow teenage girls of this age to marry a person over the age of 18 with parental consent varying on state. If it were decidedly so that it were always harmful or traumatic then why would this be allowed under provisions by law? Teenage girls of this age and younger did in fact marry and have children both in Europe and the United States going back in history over the last few hundred years, commonly and without incident.
I appreciate your enthusiasm, however by directly attacking me as though I am particularly a pervert just by constructing a legitimate argument, you are in of yourself committing a logical problem (ad hominem) or attack on the person. This is a particularly poor, useless and insubstancial way of making a point and undermines your own argument by making yourself visibly prone to making emotional insults against someone in an argument rather than factual. If you'd like me to get more specific in my own arguments the next time I post I'll be sure to reference and cite specifically so that you can critique them more precisely.
I would appreciate name calling to be limited on the forums or I might be motivated to find a clause in terms of service to report particular accounts for abuse. Thank you. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/22/2008 9:31:02 AM | ~OT~ This will always be a source of much debate and flaring opinions, pro and con. Personally ~ I don't agree with any legal consenting adult to indulge with a minor. What is a minor? Depends on the State law. Not only do states have varying numbers (on that note) there are many that distiguish between male/female, gay/straight. (I was rather surprised at the gay/straight issue...hmm???) Since I only parented one child to adulthood (maturity wise, age wise and legally speaking) I can't truly answer for those people who still have underagers in tow. Since the drinking age is generally not the age of majority (versus minority, "underagism") it would be impossible to use that as a reference point for sex (in my mind.) What to do about the problem? That's really a moot point for me, as it's going to happen no matter what my personal view is...sad that so many don't respect innocense and naivete.  | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/22/2008 10:18:18 AM | Anybody in a position of authority having sex with somebody they're supposed to be nurturing is sexual abuse. A doctor having sex with a patient is abusing that patient even if the patient is over the age of consent. And a coach with an underage student? TOTALLY OUT OF LINE!
As for getting in trouble after having casual sex with an underage girl who snuck into a bar, I think part of the responsibility for that lies in the bar for not screening patrons to see that they're of drinking age, but the guy needs to at some point realize he has a responsibility for finding out exactly WHO he is hopping into bed with. A fifteen year old girl ought to be distinguishable from a 22-year-old after about fifteen minutes of conversation. | |
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| Age of consent laws:Outdated?
Posted: 6/22/2008 10:22:55 AM |
Another shocking truth, many men above the age of 18 have fantasized about having sex with underage girls.
1. Having a fantasy isn't the same as actually going out and doing the deed.
2. The fact that they're having these fanatsies raises issues about their own maturity level. Are they such weenies that they can't handle peers, they have to go after somebody who's still seeing a pediatrician? | |
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