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Posted: 10/22/2008 12:55:11 AM | not only that but it is about long life, considering this scientific article as well as other articles:
http://www.laitman.com/2008/09/polygamy-is-the-key-to-a-long-life-%e2%80%93-so-says-new-research/
News Report (from NewScientist and newsru.com): New research shows that polygamists live on average seven years longer. Ecologist Virpi Lummaa and colleague Andy Russell (University of Sheffield, UK) analyzed longevity data on 189 countries from the World Health Organization, taking into account a country’s gross domestic product and average income to minimize the effect of better nutrition and healthcare in monogamous Western nations. They found that men from countries that practice polygamy live much longer than in monogamous nations - 12% longer.
But women also live long, even longer than men! According to Cedrik Puleston, a demographer of Stanford University, there are two hypotheses seeking to explain male and female longevity. Women live longer because they become grandmothers and have to take care of their grandchildren. Menopause “frees” them, enabling them to start educating children. Men, on the other hand, live long because they marry younger women and are influenced by female longevity.
My Comment: Why do people live long? The human being is a unique creature in the animal kingdom, because he continues to live long beyond reproductive age. Human longevity is unnatural - people shouldn’t live past 45-50 years. In women, climax and menopause is a transitional period from sexual maturity to the elderly period, and just like with men, it means that there is no reason for people to keep on living – other than to attain their higher purpose!
The fact is that people have to develop their egoism, in order to then understand that it is evil and evoke the force of correction by studying in a group. They have to cross the Machsom and overcome the 125 degrees until the full correction. This takes many years of serious effort, and this is why in our era - the era of correction, Nature (the Creator) has made human lifespan as long as necessary for people to complete their higher mission during their lives! | |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 1:41:26 AM | | The longevity could be as simple as knowing the less people kill their spouses because of cheating. If society is accepting of the relationships, there is less fanaticism involved in the seeking of more mates by an "attached" male. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2008 8:01:16 AM | RE msg 226 by conspiracy:
But women also live long, even longer than men! According to Cedrik Puleston, a demographer of Stanford University, there are two hypotheses seeking to explain male and female longevity. Women live longer because they become grandmothers and have to take care of their grandchildren. Menopause “frees” them, enabling them to start educating children. Men, on the other hand, live long because they marry younger women and are influenced by female longevity. You have to remember that the studies into polygamy are not just countries where one man marries several women. It also includes many countries where one woman marries many men, and where many men and many women are in the same marriage. So it doesn't show an advantage to ploygamy where one man marries several women, but ALL types of polygamy, including ones in which one woman marries more than one man.
The grandmother principle suggests that in any society in which women are still given valued roles in their society, they will live longer, and the same will apply to men. The reason why single grandmothers would then live longer than single grandfathers is that single grandmothers are still given valued roles as babysitters and for providing emotional love and support to their grandchildren. Grandfathers equally could be given the role of tutors and educators of much-needed skills and useful tips gained from experiences of many years. However, grandfathers are not typically given any such value at all, and not even to teach in adult courses in subjects they are expert in. So there is a massive double standard here: grandmothers are valued highly by parents, but grandfathers are not valued at all by parents, yet their kids actually value grandmothers and grandfathers equally, possibly more, because a grandfather is a mellowed authority figure, bringing the double-value of educational authority combined with encouraging love, while the grandmother has to introduce the values of educational authority into her parenting methods, which is much harder to do.
Not everyone loves their grandmother. But nearly everyone has a soft spot for their aged grandfather. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 2:43:53 PM | If you read Samuel you will see that a king having more then one wife was a punishment for the nation. As the subject is Biblical Polygymy you sould have known that people would start at the Bible.
Native/Tribal law and myth is also one man one woman. Mother Earth Father Sky, Maiden and the moon, White buffalo woman and white buffalo. As I said most holy books and myths center on one male one female and the work they produce. Buddism and Hinduism also center one two becoming one and creating the new now. Sidharrtha was tempted by a group of women to stray from the path. He overcame that temptation and was rewarded. People who can not stay true to one person are not healthy. they are the gateway to sickness. 65% of Americans have STD's That is more the some countries in Africa. Why? Because having sex with more then one person opens you up to sickness and esp if you are a woman poverty. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2008 8:09:32 AM |
If you read Samuel you will see that a king having more then one wife was a punishment for the nation. As the subject is Biblical Polygymy you sould have known that people would start at the Bible. The Bible says that a king may not have many wives, or many horses, or too much riches. But the average man can have as much as he wants to all of those things. The Jewish Biblical Law that accompanies the Old Testament only includes that he must provide a quality lifestyle for all his wives and all his children, and must satisfy the conjugal needs of all his wives. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2008 7:36:53 PM |
If you read Samuel you will see that a king having more then one wife was a punishment for the nation. As the subject is Biblical Polygymy you sould have known that people would start at the Bible.
I typically start with the words that speak of tares and wheat. I only harvest the wheat. If you want to take the tares: You can keep them.
People who can not stay true to one person are not healthy. they are the gateway to sickness. 65% of Americans have STD's That is more the some countries in Africa. Why?
Personally, I think they suffer a terminal case of stupidity. You are entitled to your own opinion, and should consider using the gifts of brain material which you are so blessed with. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2008 1:30:11 AM |
65% of Americans have STD's.
I am thinking that 65% of Americans aren't even over the age of ten.
Do you ever source your data, or do you get it straight from the pulpit? Have you ever spoken to the preacher about credibility? Reliability?
Do you know the punishment for bearing false witness from the pulpit?
You might want to ask him these questions. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2008 12:53:30 PM | 65% and you can look it up at the CDC or BVS they are online. I think you need to fact check before you post. I am an educator and I teach early childhood educators a six hour couse called Health and Safety I support the class with the latest stats from the CDC. Truth is in the Bible but not the only place you need look, a point of fact that is also in the Bible. I can not even use the Bible as the class uses public funds. 
HIV can live in a person for 11 years before the doctor will think maybe something is wrong even then he can not make a person submit to a hiv screening in America. I am not saying in the 65% are only people who are "dirty sex addicts" or adults but the stat stands and so does Samuel. There was to be no king so the first 5 books of the Bible that deal with the law have nothing to do with the statement that the wives of David and all other kings are not a blessing.
God allowed it only for the "hardness of men's heart." It is in the same parenting sprit that after finding out that I was going to ride motor cross no matter how long the lecture got or the grounding after the fact even if she had the wooden spoon out mom saying," Fine break your fool neck jumping off things like that I'm not going to watch and don't come crying to me." | |
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Posted: 11/1/2008 8:37:52 PM | This study seems to contradict your information.
http://www.cdc.gov/STDConference/2008/media/release-11march2008.htm
I don't feel like searching for YOUR cites, so how about supplying them for us? | |
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Posted: 12/9/2008 9:23:47 AM | | I find it interesting, since we are talking NT, that Jesus said he came not to change the law but to fulfill the law, and that HE is the same yesterday, today and forever. If we believe that Jesus is God in Person, than he does not change. God himself through the prophet said to King David after the insident with the wife of Uriah, that God gave him Saul's house and his wives, and that if David had only asked him he would have given him more. God did not condemn David for plural marriage, an with exception for the matter with Uriah, David was held blameless. Does God change his mind? | |
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Posted: 12/9/2008 9:44:57 AM | Ecclesiastes 4:12 ..." A cord of three strands is not easily broken."
A large loving family is one of GOD's greatest blessings when the foundation is GOD. The purpose of marriage is to create a secure, loving environment to raise children. Polygyny facilitates this purpose by providing the opportunity for more love, more children and more parents. Polygyny is more stable because there are more parents to provide for the needs of the children in the event one of the parents dies or is incapacitated. For most families the biggest benefit to polygyny is that there is always a mommy available to care for the children. This creates lots more opportunities for each mommy to have alone time with the husband.
Sylvia | |
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Posted: 1/2/2009 7:19:42 PM | People need to realize that the Bible was written by men. Mortal men. Men. Mortal.
I don't think people need to take the Bible so literaly. It is used as an exuse by many to condone their behaviors and practices. There is no absolute way of interpreting things in the Bible. Just take responsiblity for your practices. | |
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Posted: 1/2/2009 7:29:48 PM | don't think people need to take the Bible so literaly. It is used as an exuse by many to condone their behaviors and practices. There is no absolute way of interpreting things in the Bible. Just take responsiblity for your practices.
I take "literarily" like a great literary work. I consider the wisdom of the men who spoke the words. I consider the wisdom so great, and the literary genius so polished, that I can separate the wheat from the chaff.
Doing unto others, as you would others do unto you is pure whole wheat. Finding a log in your own eye while looking for a speck within your neighbors can be chaff, but that depends completely on extant conditions. It is a variable piece of wisdom that causes self reflection prior to action. First survey the conditions on the ground, and make sure your soldiers are not standing there before you firebomb. You could lose with the war with one bombing run if you don't know what is going on.
Polygamy is simply a sexual and relationship preference; the exercise of which involves certain legal conditions. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2009 6:46:35 PM | ^^^^^^^
You are basically saying what I am. I think that taking responsiblity is understanding what you do and what the judgements you make are wholly about. Some people skip all that and just throw certain excerpts from the bible to justify themselves. It is more important to know the "wheat from the chaff" as oppossed to just taking something and assuming it means what is convenient to your situation. I do admire those that learn from the Bible, but I just would need more explaination as to why practicing polygamy could be appealing. I don't accept that the answer lies in the Bible. Be responsible for explaining why it can be appealing the rational sense. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2009 8:38:26 PM | I actually responded postively to your remark, and I should have made that more clear. I felt a special connection to your words. There surely isn't enough positive reinforcement on this site for most forum activity to be useful. I do not post here so much for recreation. I WORK it. I have a program that involves certain communication skills derived from a knowledge of the wheat and the chaff. They work well in the case of relationships.
It is my sole argument for polygyny. There are not enough empathic men to go around. Women need a man to feel their pain, not fix their problems. They want to feel loved. If all men were good husbands, and all women could find of their own, then I don't polygyny is a great choice. Skyrocketing divorce rates and cases of domestic violence say otherwise. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2009 10:27:53 PM | I have never heard that idea supporting polygyny that a Woman needs an empathetic man to feel their pain and there just aren't enough to go around.
I don't buy it. True, Women don't really know what they need and want for the most part, but I know that every Woman in my life including myself, understands that being in love is to know they are adored by one mate that respects and knows how special their bond is. Women reciprocate and thrive when they feel secure in that.
How could someone ever feel that way, when they know the one they love and find to be so unique and amazing feels that way about another, let alone several.
It is not solid. It's not a true bond.
It is natural to feel jealous and selfish about a lover. You can't subdue those feelings. It's very unhealthy and impossible to ignore jealousy in love and there is nothing wrong with feeling upset because it is the heart. You can't ignore it.
The heart knows better than any rationalities one can come up with.
There are so many obsticles in love. But, to come to the conclusion of Polygyny being the answer simply b/c there aren't enough empathetic males around, is ridiculous. It is uneducated and lacks so much weight.
No man is the perfect man right of the bat. Those obsticles in love and life lead to understanding, bonding and becoming better healthier mates for one another. It comes with a sense of knowing and security.
You seem to have the idea that men are beastly devils and women are angels in need of love.
The reason for high divorce rates is that some people (BOTH men and women) aren't strong enough to battle those obsticles.
Domestic violence does prove there are a lot terrible men, but there are plenty of terrible woman out there as well. ie, mothers killing their children, dealing drugs, killing their husbands.
Men may start wars, but there are women who decieve and hate, and their plotting is just as destructive if not worse.
There are great men and women out there, but there are bad women and men equal to each other.
I just don't think I can ever be convinced that any Woman can truely be happy in practicing Polygyny.
Just imagine girls, you end up marrying a Man who has been so kind as to take on loving and empathizing with a few other poor lonely needy girls. Not exactly what the fairy tales taught us growing up.
I can't love a Man like that. Even if he was David Beckham aka Prince Charming. | |
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Posted: 1/4/2009 10:01:36 AM | I appreciate your womanhood. You recognize that you are indeed a woman, and you need a man. I recognize that I am a man who likes to make women happy.
Women reciprocate and thrive when they feel secure in that.
How could someone ever feel that way, when they know the one they love and find to be so unique and amazing feels that way about another, let alone several.
It is not solid. It's not a true bond.
A man is man, and a woman is a woman. This is a true dichotomy. To say that you can't be loved by a man who loves another is a false dichotomy. I would not wish to fight with your insecurity issues. I feel them myself when I get to know a woman who finds another man more special. It varies in degrees, at least from this man's perspective. If my wife adores Brad Pitt, should I dump her?
Could you live, being a dancer, with my infatuation with Janet Jackson?
You seem to have the idea that men are beastly devils and women are angels in need of love.
It might seem that way from the outside, but as Jesus said, "How could you know that had not "My Father" told you? Don't assume.
The reason for high divorce rates is that some people (BOTH men and women) aren't strong enough to battle those obsticles.
Domestic violence does prove there are a lot terrible men, but there are plenty of terrible woman out there as well. ie, mothers killing their children, dealing drugs, killing their husbands.
Men may start wars, but there are women who decieve and hate, and their plotting is just as destructive if not worse.
There are great men and women out there, but there are bad women and men equal to each other.
Both women and men make too many assumptions and jump to conclusions. In my opinion, what we need is a solid set of social skills which are taught from a young age. The society is to blame. They teach math, science, and reading. People don't read with their eyes, they read with their emotions and let the mind wander through assumptions. They have conversations the same way. Nobody expects love from a stranger, but when you meet me, that is what you get.
Sometimes it is tough love. I carry a sword called "Truth" and it cuts two ways. | |
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Posted: 1/31/2009 5:57:38 PM | Just to "slightly" change the topic with a question.
Why does Plenty of Fish not have a separate indication/section for Polygyny?
I have had several women, contact me (my profile is rather explicit about looking for a second wife / sisterwife) after I explain to them my situation and objective, they responded: Oh, I will never share my husband. Of course I never had the impression that I was "owned" by my wife. It seems an indication that some women are so desperate, that they just contact any male without even reading their profile.
So, it would help a lot to have a separate classification, right? Comments? | |
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Posted: 2/10/2009 2:56:16 AM | Yes Robert it would.
Back on topic Jesus said "Husband's be owned by your wives" "one man one woman." best to be single. So the Bible is clear. You can twist and jumble words to make your wish seem a fact. It will never be anything other than God allowing you to do something because He know that you would any way not because it is best for you. If I could have more than one husband I am sure I would have married. | |
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