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Posted: 12/22/2005 5:15:35 PM | Ya, lots, they are just not the ones you want to hear...he who has ears let him hear...the rest do what you want..  | |
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| Christian Biblical Marriage
Posted: 12/22/2005 5:21:21 PM | Most have been answered. There are a few possible ones that haven't been answered, but usually only the more knowledgable know to ask them. All of the AmAtEuR questions have been answered, professionally.
If there remains confusion, doubt, insecurity, fear, or exasperation, Dr TePeS is here to help. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 5:22:07 PM | DEAR FRIEND I was looking through the many posts and i indeed noticed
you stated
"" What you people are doing is mixing law and customs of some people in the bible.."""
AGAIN polygamy was and will never be a law of any people ... A GOD given GOD regulated A GOdly custom of some number of thousands of some GodLy people.
The laws were made by the pervert, subverted nation Of ROME . eNFORCING mONOGAMY TO ITS SLAVES.
Rome banned GOD given polygamy
not GOD/
WHY would GOD need a law to stop love/
Others may think the only outlet is that the society should tolerate all manners of sexual permissiveness: prostitution, sex out of wedlock, homosexuality, etc.
GODS best plan perfect
polygamy
in conclusion ... five ... more little facts
.1 In the U.S. there are, at least, eight million more women than men.
2 In a country like Guinea there are 122 females for every 100 males. I
3 Tanzania, there are 95.1 males per 100 females. 55 What should a society do towards such unbalanced sex ratios?
4 There are various solutions, some might suggest celibacy, others would prefer female infanticide
My Dear Friend
5 God knows all of this. He is ALL knowing and does not permit sin he not only permited polygamy he regulated and made writers of his HOLY BIBLE and GODLY prophets who practiced . THIS SOME PEOPLES CUSTOMS
HE MADE these people kings priests and prophets and writers of the bible people he called HIS vert friend his servants his PEOPLE GODS PEOPLE POLYGAMY CUSTOMERS..
indeed my friend my child
God bless you | |
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| Christian Biblical Marriage
Posted: 12/22/2005 5:25:57 PM | | PAW * REX your are giving yourself away with all those gaps in your posts, but then the same could be said for your thinking... | |
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| Christian Biblical Marriage
Posted: 12/22/2005 8:40:31 PM | It seems like anything that is of Yahweh is prohibited or is given a bad rap and anything unYahwehlike is deemed acceptable, we believe it can be likened to Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil, who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
We see this in the world on a daily basis.
Steve & Kara | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 10:12:36 PM | Steve & Kara
hello
I am Sollomon
i thank you so much for speaking up and stating the truth AS IT IS .
After the second world war, there were 7,300,000 more women than men in Germany (3.3 million of them were widows). There were 100 men aged 20 to 30 for every 167 women in that age group. 61 Many of these women needed a man not only as a companion but also as a provider for the household in a time of unprecedented misery and hardship.
it is so so sad to me wars and the impact OF THEM
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SEEMS LIKE DESPERATE MEASURES BUT SOMETIMES i ts got to BE DONE
WAR
some dont want to look at it ...... YEOMSANG | |
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| Christian Biblical Marriage
Posted: 12/22/2005 10:13:40 PM | This is Similar to all the news stories,celebrating the ability of gays to be considered "married". This is what roman monogamy has led to. This is what the Roman empire led to also. This is what sodom and Gommorah de-volved to.
polygyny de-volved to enforced monogamy, which led into the ever narrowing perversion of "homo"-gamy.
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Isaiah
Chapter 4
1 Seven women will take hold of one man on that day, saying: "We will eat our own food and wear our own clothing; Only let your name be given us, put an end to our disgrace!"
2 On that day, The branch of the LORD will be luster and glory, and the fruit of the earth will be honor and splendor for the survivors of Israel.
3 He who remains in Zion and he that is left in Jerusalem Will be called holy: every one marked down for life in Jerusalem.
When the Lord washes away the filth of the daughters of Zion, And purges Jerusalem's blood from her midst with a blast of searing judgment,
Then will the LORD create, over the whole site of Mount Zion and over her place of assembly, A smoking cloud by day and a light of flaming fire by night.
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This Quote from the Bible, is describing the upcoming 1000 year reign of the "Messiah", on the earth. Notice that it describes 7 women with one husband. When they say they want his "name", that means ownership(marriage/adoption). They give up their own surname, and adopt his name, or he adopts them into himself, by giving them his name. Marriage is an adoption. Becoming a Christian is also an adoption. The christian becomes... a CHRIST-ian. They take on the name and servanthood and are adopted as sons and daughters of God.
The nation of israel was not adopted, but the gentile (bride) is adopted. The haughty and proud women of the earth, will be forced to abandon their anti-authority (anti-God) attitudes and lives, and to take away their shame and reproach, they will gladly accept a good husband and share him among themselves.
This is an example of the "RETURN" to Godliness.
One example also comes to mind: Remember the situation of Abraham being out in the desert by himself, away from the big cities, with just himself and his (probably gigantic) family. We know he was quite rich, and self sufficient and Independent. He was out in the desert practicing polygyny, while his extended family member, Lot, was in the city practicing.... monogamy. Hmm.. Lot had 1 wife only. It is possible that the largely "homosexualized" city of sodom and gommorohy had de-volved to a state of monogamy and homogamy.
Keeping that in mind, Lots wife, turned and looked back, because that showed that she really did love and enjoy that life there. She really didn't want to leave it.
In her mind, they were right, and there were ok, God is a loving God, he wouldn't really destroy them would he? They were just only practicing love anyway right? And what the evil pervert Abraham out there in the desert with all those wives and concubines and illegitmate children. In her mind, Abraham should be the one punished, for making those poor subjugated women be forced to serve him, and she even had heard a horrible unbelievable rumor that some of his favorite wives, even called him "lord" or "ruler".
I wonder how many women from now, if they were in her place, would identify with Sarah more, or with Lots wife?
It's a good question to ask ourselves... Which side of the fence would we be on if we were in that place.
TePeStErAtIoN | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 10:26:28 PM |
I wonder how many women from now, if they were in her place, would identify with Sarah more, or with Lots wife
The prayer of my heart has always been "Yahweh, may I identify myself with Sarah and not be like Lot's wife who perished for looking back."
Kara | |
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| Christian Marriage is a two for one deal
Posted: 12/24/2005 5:19:34 PM | Ambiguous decision? Brain flip
Scientists have discovered that your brain responds emotionally and illogically when faced with making a decision from little information, according to a report from LiveScience. The California Institute of Technology conducted a study into ambiguous decision-making, or decisions made without certainty of the outcome or an idea of the probability of success.
In the experiment, test subjects were asked to make ambiguous decisions while their brains were scanned using a functional magnetic resonance imager (fMRI), according to the report. The brain scans showed that the decisions were often accompanied by activation of the amygdala, an area of the brain found to closely associated with fear.
There is a lot of fear of the unknown, in relation to plural marriage. Most people have limiited information on the subject, as well as limited knowledge or understanding of the Bible. This many times causes irrational and illogical responses to something they consider threatening for one reason or another.
Dr TePeS | |
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| Biblical Polygyny
Posted: 12/25/2005 9:25:23 AM |
If Solomon was so wise why did he repeat the same mistake 299 times?
Good one! | |
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| Biblical Polygyny
Posted: 12/26/2005 1:11:56 PM | Jesus told us that there is no marriage in heaven so it really does not matter what we do here.
See the parable of the woman with seven husbands who were brothers. | |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 1:24:32 PM | Well he knew that at least one of his wives would always be in love with him at some point in time. . .
Hopefully he could figure out which one it was before she changed her mind. | |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 2:27:56 PM | I NOTICED someone had posted these facts a few pages ago but someone had deleted them or maybe the entry was disproven to the member retracted them but i did some research and FOUND
THE FOLLOWING to be facts
mia
THE number one" mia" translated elsewhere also as "first".
We see this same in Titus 1:6, where the same word "mia" "one" is translated as "first" in ..
Titus 3:10 to reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition.
This same word "mia" in Greek is also translated in several other places in the New Testament as "first" rather than "one", for example "first day of the week" in John 20:1.
Thus, it is also possible to translate the passages of 1Tim 3:2 and Titus 1:6 as saying that bishops and elders should be a blameless, "first wife husband" (mia") who is capable of taking care of his household.
This means that he should be capable of keeping his first wife and managing his children well,. the word "mia" can be translated as "one" and "first", This flows well with the teaching of Christ about divorce and also with the verses in Malachi 3:15,16 that say God is against one who deals treacherously with the wife of his youth (forsaking first wife) and that he hates divorce.
God is not against addition and added responsibility. He is against subtraction and irresponsibility. Since polygamy is in order, many divorcees including ministers should attempt to bring back their first wives and love them.
I am not in any way saying that because of "first wife husband", all bishops and elders must be polygamous.
the bible DOES NOT say that
But rather, because the word "mia" can be translated as "one" and "first", this verse cannot be used to support the proposition that bishops and elders must be monogamous, not forgetting the cultural and contextual "guidance" aspect of the instructions.
There is simply no ground against leaders being polygamous in these pastoral passages. No way. Also, in 1Tim 5:9, the specific numeric "one" is used in application to "wife of one husband" (Strong No. 1520).
Why wouldn't the same author of the same epistle use the same word if he had meant a same absolute numerical "one" in both cases? T
he answer is obvious, the meaning of "first wife" as in the case of elders and bishops and the numerical "one husband" as in the latter case of the same epistle.
FACT i noticed | |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 4:22:21 PM | I NOTICED someone had posted these facts a few pages ago but someone had deleted them or maybe the entry was disproven to the member retracted them but i did some research and FOUND
THE FOLLOWING to be facts
mia
THE number one" mia" translated elsewhere also as "first".
We see this same in Titus 1:6, where the same word "mia" "one" is translated as "first" in ..
Titus 3:10 to reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition.
This same word "mia" in Greek is also translated in several other places in the New Testament as "first" rather than "one", for example "first day of the week" in John 20:1.
Thus, it is also possible to translate the passages of 1Tim 3:2 and Titus 1:6 as saying that bishops and elders should be a blameless, "first wife husband" (mia") who is capable of taking care of his household.
This means that he should be capable of keeping his first wife and managing his children well,. the word "mia" can be translated as "one" and "first", This flows well with the teaching of Christ about divorce and also with the verses in Malachi 3:15,16 that say God is against one who deals treacherously with the wife of his youth (forsaking first wife) and that he hates divorce.
God is not against addition and added responsibility. He is against subtraction and irresponsibility. Since polygamy is in order, many divorcees including ministers should attempt to bring back their first wives and love them.
I am not in any way saying that because of "first wife husband", all bishops and elders must be polygamous.
the bible DOES NOT say that
But rather, because the word "mia" can be translated as "one" and "first", this verse cannot be used to support the proposition that bishops and elders must be monogamous, not forgetting the cultural and contextual "guidance" aspect of the instructions.
There is simply no ground against leaders being polygamous in these pastoral passages. No way. Also, in 1Tim 5:9, the specific numeric "one" is used in application to "wife of one husband" (Strong No. 1520).
Why wouldn't the same author of the same epistle use the same word if he had meant a same absolute numerical "one" in both cases? T
he answer is obvious, the meaning of "first wife" as in the case of elders and bishops and the numerical "one husband" as in the latter case of the same epistle.
FACT | |
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Posted: 12/28/2005 8:28:29 PM |
I am not in any way saying that because of "first wife husband", all bishops and elders must be polygamous.
the bible DOES NOT say that
But rather, because the word "mia" can be translated as "one" and "first", this verse cannot be used to support the proposition that bishops and elders must be monogamous, not forgetting the cultural and contextual "guidance" aspect of the instructions.
Very interesting take on the argument that bishops should have only one wife. It is always intresting how words can mean different things under transalation.
Steve & Kara | |
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Posted: 12/29/2005 1:46:59 AM | Titus 1:6
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
This should do, there are more scriptures if needed]]
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| Biblical Polygyny
Posted: 12/29/2005 4:39:45 AM | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Translation: Phonetic spelling Abridged Strongs Dictionary
e? conditional
ei i
if, whether, that, etc. -- forasmuch as, if, that, (al-)though, whether.
t?? indefinite pronoun - nominative singular masculine
tis tis
some or any person or object
est?? verb - present indicative - third person singular
esti es-tee'
he (she or it) is; also (with neuter plural) they are
a?e????t?? adjective - nominative singular masculine
anegkletos an-eng'-klay-tos
unaccused, i.e. (by implication) irreproachable -- blameless.
µ?a? adjective - genitive singular feminine
heis hice
one -- a(-n, -ny, certain), + abundantly, man, one (another), only, other, some.
???a???? noun - genitive singular feminine
gune goo-nay'
a woman; specially, a wife -- wife, woman.
a??? noun - nominative singular masculine
aner an'-ayr
a man (properly as an individual male) -- fellow, husband, man, sir.
te??a noun - accusative plural neuter
teknon tek'-non
a child (as produced) -- child, daughter, son.
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GREEK
e? t?? est?? a?e????t?? µ?a? ???a???? a??? te??a e??? p?sta µ? e? ?at?????a as?t?a? ? a??p?ta?ta
Kings James Version
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Greek
???a ?ata?e?es?? µ? e?att?? et?? e?????ta ?e?????a e??? a?d??? ????
English
Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man.
Now, from what I see, you are right that the same word can be used to mean First, BUT there has to be other words supporting text, to convert that word to mean first, some mention of a second or third.
Malachi 3: 15-16 has nothing to do with a first wife, it has to do with a book of rememberance being written to the Lord.
Sorry apparently some of the Greek doesn't copy well into the forum, but you can check where I got the information:
Source: http://biblecommenter.com/malachi/3-16.htm | |
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Posted: 12/29/2005 9:43:08 AM | We also seriously considered this verse as at first glance it would appear this was a definitive statement against having more than one wife. We came to the belief that Kara would be one wife, and should any other lady be married to Steve she also would be one wife, this isn't a threesome where all three of us would be married to each other, Kara and the covenant wife would not be married to each other, only the covenant wife would be married to Steve and Kara would be married to Steve. Kara is one wife, and the covenant wife would be one wife. As the scriptures say the two shall be one flesh.
We think the confusion comes maybe in the title plural wife or 2nd wife. To the covenant wife she is considered one, Kara is considered one, and Steve is considered one. Which then means that only the covenant wife would be marrying Steve and these two would be one flesh, just as Steve & Kara when they married were two and became one flesh.
Steve & Kara | |
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| Biblical Polygyny
Posted: 12/29/2005 12:04:08 PM | My response was more to the post about the word ......as sollomon in post 168 was saying could mean either one or first....and I didn't get that from the translation that I looked at. In less there was supporting text...indicationing that the word Kia ment first. You would have to go to the site I posted to see what I was talking about.
Like I said before, the bible appears to be subjective, even the experts can't agree on what certain passages mean. | |
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| Biblical Polygyny
Posted: 12/29/2005 5:55:48 PM | The point of it being subjective, even moreso forces us to look at it as a whole. Not just one or two or three isolated places. Where the Bible is silent, in one section, but in another section something is allowed under normal circumstances, then it's reasonable to conclude that in the normal circumstances where there is uncertainty or silence, it is probably allowed.
The point is to be in "tune" with the mind of the Author of the Book. By looking at the whole story, and all the metaphors and examples and stories and lessons and laws for and against all the different things, you can be able to grasp the concept that plural marriage is a positive, in the Mind of the Author of the Bible. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 12:12:26 AM | ya know Leinad i noticed a posting a COUPLE PAGES AGO FROM some other person
but it had been retracted or deleted. but it was real right on target,
THE author posted a message telling how HE NOTICED people trying to tear the bible down
and what they do is take a 2000 yr old book
and pretend the english mis- translation of a word or sentence structure is somehow reflecting the origional bible. when the origional bible is clear and available to study.
THEY CANT DISPROVE YOU Leinad so therefore then the bible must be wrong
the bible you stand upon.
IF THEY feel offended by the truth the fact that they are offended alone leads them to the conclusion that they are right and you are all wrong some how some way whatever it takes . as many diversions it takes diversions that have nothing to do with the subject or the facts , THE FACT THAT MIA IS Used in other texts to .mean first A FIRST OF ANYTHING
MAL 2:14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because Jehovah hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, ... against whom thou hast dealt treacherously,
though she is thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
15 And did he not make one, although he had the residue of the Spirit? And wherefore one? He sought a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
16 For I hate putting away, saith Jehovah
WHAT THE MESSAGE IS
11 Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of Jehovah which he loveth, and hath married the daughter of a foreign god.
12 Jehovah will cut off, to the man that doeth this,
him that waketh . and him that answereth, out of the tents of Jacob,
and him that offereth an offering unto Jehovah of hosts.
13 And this again ye do: ye cover the altar of Jehovah with tears, with weeping, and with sighing,
insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, neither receiveth it with good will at your hand.
WIVES OF ANOTHER GOD AND THE MAN WANTS TO BE WITH the daughter of a foreign god
profaned the holiness of Jehovah which he loveth, and hath married the daughter of a foreign god
NOT MAL 3:15. NICE TRY | |
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