| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/2/2005 8:36:53 PM | Geez by the way you guys are talking, you would think they were downing a 40 oz bottle and driving 300 mph.
Relax guys. Most crashes in snow storms happen at less then 50 kmh.
Its the idiots in the 4x4s and the invincable guys that think their brand new snow tires are going to save them, that crash at the higher speed.
I used to drive a tow truck, just incase you want to know where I got the info from.
Rule number one for any kind of bad weather. SLOW DOWN. | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/2/2005 8:40:19 PM | Thank YOU dragracer !!!
and chit .. i'm in the City guys ... if you are up in buck F*ck nowhere booney land snow belt .. ok .. have your snow tires ... I would too ... i don't need em where i am .. so get off my a*** .... some peoples kids !! .. lol | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/2/2005 8:44:24 PM | How is that bitter?
Didn't you read the posts from myself and ER and a couple of others?
We've seen the horror, that attitude results in. Have you ever had to help a paramedic put a spinal board under a person that has had their body crushed from the collision? I had to help life the body! It felt like a bag of broken bones. He didn't make it to the hospital.
Have you ever had to help the police look for the head of a passenger that came off? The body was still in the car but I found the head 100 feet away.
Have you ever driven down a highway and seen the street lights dissappear because a car had gone airborne? And then stand there with the cops and paramedics, wondering where the driver is? All during snowing and icy conditions and in a city, Woodstock London and Kitchener. BTW I found the driver in the river down below. He was thrown from the wreck and somehow ended up there. Still baffels me and it wasn't pretty.
Shall I go on?
How about me? I didn't get my snows on before we had a flash freeze last year. Thats when the temperature goes from +10 to -10 in a matter of hours. Still had the "all seasons" on. Guess where I rolled my truck? Yep, 200 feet from my driveway. I was going about 40 KPH.
I'm gonna check your profile and make sure I don't drive anywhere near you.
You can't see the road when your head is up your A$$ | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/2/2005 8:48:16 PM | Sir James .. you're telling me that WINTER tires are gonna help you on a sheet of ice any more than all-weather... NOT
OK .. did you take note of ALL these accidents you've seen ... were they all drives with all-weather tires? .. Where were the accidents?
I'm sorry for your experiences, but that is NO reason to jump down my throat .. capeesh ? .. lol | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/2/2005 8:51:47 PM | man let it go.
While all these people are dying in traffic accidents from not having snow tires on, you will be suffering from an ulser by the sound of it.
Just for the record, I have seen cars cut in half, a guy decapitated, all sorts of roll overs and sigle and multi car wrecks. Most of these were caused by people driving too fast. Not because they didnt have snow tires.
Having snow tires dose not give you the ability to drive fast in bad weather. | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/2/2005 8:58:24 PM | No it's the exact reason to jump down your throat.
Yes I noted the tires they used. I've been in the automotive industry in some way for over 33 years.
And yes even on a sheet of ice the tire makes a difference.
I shoudn't be admiting this but I mentioned I use Toyo Observe tires. They have crushed walnut shell in them. I was driving on a lake up near Gravenhurst (yes on a lake!) during the winter and I came around an island and saw 2 snowmobilers come around the corner. They didn't see me. I sped up and passed them. I thought the one guys head was gonna come off his shoulders he turned around so quick.
They hit the brakes and so did I.
We spent the next hour shooting the bull.
They couldn't believe I had any control on the ice and could even stop without sliding. I let them drive the truck all over the ice. Finnally an OPP and an MNR officer came by on their sleds and wondered wht was going on.
I made $100 in bets that day and 4 more converts to Toyo tires. | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/2/2005 8:58:42 PM | your right..snow tires wont stop you faster than..... chains and studded tires
conditions: hard packed snow,- 5 C / 23 F, speed 25 km/h / 15 mph, distances in meters.
A - Chains on all four wheels B - Chains on one axle C - Studded snow tires D - Snow tires
For maximum braking and shortest stopping distances - in this test 5.5 meters (18 ft) - chains are mandatory on all four wheels (A). With chains on only one axle the stopping distance is almost twice as long - 9.0 meters (30 ft) - (B). Snow tires, studded or not, need much too long (12 meters or 40 feet) to get a vehicle stopped (C+D).
The braking test shows an identical result: If you want maximum safety from your 4WD - you need to mount two pairs of chains... but we all know that chains and studs are illegal on tires ...(hopefully not in dating sites though..**snicker**)
for more info go to http://www.usroads.com/journals/aruj/9712/ru971202.htm
Stopping. In one test on packed snow, the Blizzaks shortened stopping distances from 25 miles per hour (mph) by as much as 33 percent. On the average, the Blizzak tires performed on packed snow only slightly better than studded tires and non-studded all-season tires. On the big pickups, the Blizzaks actually yielded longer stops.
Under icy conditions, the Blizzaks reduced stopping distances by an average of 8 percent over all-season tires. Studded tires reduced stopping distances by about 17 percent under icy conditions when compared with all-seasoned tires. Average stopping distances from 25 mph were 106 feet for studded tires, 118 feet for Blizzak tires, and 128 feet for all-season tires. These distances were about three times farther than stopping distances on packed snow and 7 to 10 times farther than stopping distances on bare pavement.
In one test near Fairbanks involving a sedan, a station wagon, and a van under generally icy road conditions (as opposed to the glare ice of a Zamboni-smoothed frozen lake, where studded tires performed best), the Blizzaks brought heavy rear-drive vehicles to a stop from 40 mph in 121 feet, as compared with 141 feet for studded tires and 179 feet for all-season tires.
On bare pavement, the Blizzaks showed a 2-35 percent stopping-distance advantage over studded tires. In a test with one full-sized sedan, the studded tires had stopping distances more than 40 percent longer than the Blizzaks or the all-season tires. In some bare-pavement stopping tests, the all-season tires were marginally superior, and in other tests the Blizzak tires excelled.
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/2/2005 9:01:55 PM | | Well if me driving in the City with all-weather tires not speeding like a maniac scares all of you ... then keep your ass away from me on the road ... all the more room for me .. ;) | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/2/2005 9:04:41 PM | hey northy...nothing personal..just stating the facts.
doesnt mean you have to use them legally...and your right..a safe driver is most likely a big factor in these things. | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/2/2005 9:08:02 PM | | Not you Tall .. there's others that are totally freaked that I actually leave the house and drive my car without WINTER tires .. lol | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/2/2005 9:13:09 PM | | I drove a camero in northern Alberta all winter on an 18 back tire. Thats wide not round. It really boils down to driving withing the limits of traction. I can drive a car on those tires all winter up there and be fine. At the same time I could skid a D9 Cat down a highway. Yes I HAVE seen it done. | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/2/2005 9:13:33 PM | its okay northy2.... they all forget the bullet proof vest you have to wear in toronto...protects you from bad accidents too...LOL | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/2/2005 9:41:33 PM | Good info tall.
Just a pesonal observation since I bolted my snow tires on tis year.
The traction in the rain sucks. My very bald summer tires got better traction on the wet pavement than these things.
In the deep snow they are way better, I admit that. Here in southern Ontario, we are more liklely to be driving on wet roads then we are on snow covered roads.
Sir james, the next time I find myself driving on a frozen lake, I`ll go buy some toyos ok. The only reason I put snow tires on my truck this winter is that my summer tires are bald and are going to cost me about 300 each to replace. I really am unsure of what brand to get at the moment, so a set of snow tires with rims for 200 bucks sounded pretty good. | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/2/2005 11:15:12 PM | Oh ya...one more thing...I"m the guy "apparantly" freaking out cause others seem to think I'm on a rant as a result of the winter tire thing....Well, I drive the SUV and I have my little rodder as well....the SUV has aggressive tires, the rodder, has a set of winters...
I've avoided many of you "twits" coming at me as a result of having those tires...but still have many bruises on my blazer from the dummies that I couldn't. I am in the industry....have done the track in Shannonville, I know the difference....you wish not to get em, that's your call...I (and every single year, we sell out at all 35 locations)....all those silly people trust em for a reason.....to keep us safe from the rest of ya....and I doubt were bad drivers, neither are you I assume...
Remember, the only thing keeping your from the ditch or the rhubarb as we all it is approx 4sqi per tire(depending on size of tire) do you really want to screw around with your life that bad? Yep, even in Toronto, London, or Thunder Bay........It's a small price for life yes? | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/3/2005 12:20:01 AM | | @lovelife...I hear you...loud and clear...and I agree with you. I get so angry at smart ass remarks about driving fast in unsafe road conditions.......unfortunately...these people cause the accidents and usually it is the innocent ones who die. | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/3/2005 1:20:58 AM | I saw a show few weeks back. They said winter tires are made from different componds for colder temps. The tread is designed to push snow out of the tire. All season means 3 season. If you drive in snow winter tires are the right thing to do.
I got snow tires and I do feel a differnence. There are enough idiots on the road everything helps. | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/3/2005 2:00:24 AM | lovelife
I couldn't agree with you more. Those who think it's funny to make wise a$$ comments and jokes about all this are the ones who haven't come up to the accidents where they see 4 of their friends in a flipped car because some jackass with unappropriate tires thought it was ok to drive on a snow covered road. If y'all want to hear some of the horror stories I can make a damn thread about the stuff I have seen!! A question you have to ask is What's cheaper snow tires or a casket? I'm not saying that just because people don't have snow tires they are going to die BUT they are at more risk of losing control, having a harder time stopping and a harder time staying on the roads. People can argue until they are blue in the face but GODDAMN!!!! Grow the hell up. In my 24 years of being on this earth and living in my area I have seen stuff that half of ya can't even imagine. I don't care what anyone has to say SNOW TIRES ARE WORTH THE MONEY!!!! If I get slammed by some jackass because he/she was TOO CHEAP to buy snow tires I will be damned if I let them walk away without having the feeling of guilt running through their body wishing they had saved up their pennies for snow tires. Of course in some conditions no matter what tires you have on your car you can still lose control but WHY NOT LOWER your chances of getting into an accident by getting snow tires?? Yes they are expensive but why not think about them BEFORE the first drop of snow hits. There are a lot of days in a year. Start saving early sweetheart instead of b*tching how expensive they are when the winter comes and you need to get to them you will already have some money put away. When it comes to stuff that can help save your's and others lives there is NO EXCUSE. To me, hearing people talk all big about how they've slid down the roads side ways and think its funny sounds childish, immature and ridiculous. Once again GROW UP!! And for those people who say "I've never had winter tires and i've never lost control or been in an accident" my response to that is IT ONLY TAKES ONCE!! Yep, you've just been lucky. Count your blessings, you might not be so lucky in the future. | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/3/2005 4:16:12 AM | | ~Looking around~ .. i don't remember saying anything about the cost of them ... or being too cheap to buy em ... I have always had all-weather and have always done fine on them, am a very safe driver, amazing how people get all wound up - you do as you see fit for where you live and how you drive and how people drive around you ... and I will do the same .. ;) | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/3/2005 8:16:44 AM |
(and every single year, we sell out at all 35 locations)
I made $100 in bets that day and 4 more converts to Toyo tires.
I think I got it figured out.
you guys sell tires for a living.
But getting all bent out of shape because some one dosnt want to spend the cash on snow tires aint worth it.
Like I said before, We in southern Ontario are more likley to be driving on wet salty roads. Around here, the salt truck are out before it snows and the plows are out soon after. When it does snow hard, traffic is usually moving too slow.
I have probably seen more wrecks in one year than most of you have seen in a life time, and the cause for most of them are driving too fast. SLOW DOWN!! All of you. Even the ones with winter tires and 4x4s. | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/3/2005 8:41:49 AM | I live in Hamilton fella.....I"m all over the highways, both work and pleasure...Yup, i'm in the industry, but haven't sold a car tire in 10years....most of mine are in the 6-14ft tall range. Even some of my customers in a few of the quarries trade up their drives on the rock trucks to a more aggressive tread for winter at a cost of roughly 8000.00 a pop.
Have a look at any cop car, or ambulance....You'll see Goodyear Ultra Grips all over em right about now. | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/3/2005 9:25:56 AM | I`ll keep that in mind if I ever buy a rock truck.
Cop cars and ambulances better have em. They have to be on the road in all weather. And since I pay for them why not.
I used to live in winterpeg, where I dont think they know how to clear snow. It snows alot and it dosnt melt. They dont use salt there.
I had to drive my summer car one winter and did not have a problem with the all season radials on it. Even with 550 hp. Infact, if you want the ultimate ice tire, try a set of hoosiers quick time dragrace tires.
The point I am trying to get across here is if your all season tires are in good shape, and so are your brakes, you should not have a problem driving. Providing you know how to drive. That is the real problem. Too many people out there dont know what to do behind the wheel.
If you have the extra money and feel more comfortable with winter tires, then buy them. But if your all seasons are in good shape and cant afford a new set of tires, you still will be ok.
For all of you, with or with out winter tires, drive safe and slow down in bad weather. Nothing pisses me off more than the over confident driver that think they can drive around all this because they just bought a set of blizzacks. | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/3/2005 9:53:25 AM | wow this thread is still going 
Im still quite baffled by peoples remarks saying snow tires arent going to help in icy or snow packed conditions 
Winter tires were designed to perform better than all season tires in the winter season. They WILL help you stop faster, offer more control, and potentially save your life.
Weither you need them or not...thats up to you. The Canadian government has not made use of snow tires manditory, so we cant tell people who choose not to use them that they are "unsafe" on the road. But for the people who choose not to use them, dont tell other people that they are a waste of money, or just a scam brought on by tire companies to sell more tires. I dont see what the arguments are brought on by.
If you can afford snow tires and feel you need/want them...buy them
If you dont need snow tires or cant afford them...dont buy them....Doesnt sound to complicated to me | |
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| Winter tires. Do you believe in them?
Posted: 12/3/2005 10:02:30 AM |
The Canadian government has not made use of snow tires manditory,
Here is an Idea. Make it manditory to have winter tires on your car. In exchange, each driver gets $1500 rebate on their taxes to buy them. And then ban road salt.
The money they will save not having to buy road salt, will pay for everyones tires. Then we will save money by not having our cars rust. | |
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