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| | Spelling and Grammar, does it count?Page 9 of 10 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10) |
not much but maybe they r simply plain lazy or don't even own 1.
Now that you mention it and speaking of being lazy, the text-messaging shorthand should be reserved for your cell phone, not used here. | |
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Posted: 8/18/2009 1:44:44 AM | | I am this guy,I can't spell to save my life. I have very recently been diagnosed with A.D.D. and A.H.D. Been having a heck of a time with grade 11, and still am. It's really good to know, that , in the sack, I'm good to go. Now that we've cleared that up; who wants to go first? | |
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Posted: 8/18/2009 5:03:11 PM | Having dated many an intellect and word wizard (and the odd rich guy)...nothing less would have qualified in a previous life. I now find myself engaged to someone with dyslexia...
...and it matters not a pinch of poop to happiness.
Truly dumb people pick their partners based on socioeconomic status, physical attractiveness and edumacation.
Truly happy people pick their partners based on shared values...kindness, honesty and loyalty...
Truly happy people have hearts that are open to the world, rather than making a list of necessary qualifying factors that exclude a lot of really beautiful people...
Go look in the mirror...and take a good look inside yourself after you do that...is that perfection you see? Now be so humble as to explain to me why you expect such perfection from others...
..being holier than thou while repeatedly asserting your right to superficiality.
Well here we go. At one time someone was dumb and unhappy??? And now they are happy and smart???? And of course we are suppose to follow now because you finally "got it"???????  All I ask is, what took ya so long???? And why can it not take "others" just as long or longer to get what you finally have gotten?????? You did have a learning curve did you not?????
Really, take the advice you, yourself have given. Just because you just "got it" doesn't mean some of us haven't had it figured out for years. Quit patting yourself on the back because you think that others don't know what you just found out. Freaking hilarious. Holier than thou,,,yeps,,,we have just seen the definition.
In today's society it does not matter at all if you can spell, speak or communicate clearly. It's all around us. Think about what and who you watch/read on TV, newspapers,etc. They are not rocket scientists entertaining the majority out there. And then you must ask,,, why are YOU watching THEM????? (wayyyy off tangent, I know)
I'm attracted to "intelligent" people, and I have known for a very long period of time that intelligence comes in many forms. Listened to a piano player once that blew me away that could hardly mumble, let alone speak coherently or write.( I actually believe he was near blind,,but don't mark my words) After listening to him and seeing the smile, he didn't have to say a freaking word(or write one). Some should take that lesson and run with it. | |
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| Spelling and Grammar, does it count?
Posted: 8/19/2009 9:01:02 PM | Spelling and Grammar, does it count? Can someone explain the above?
Are the learning disabled retarded or are the retarded learning disabled?
Or is the misconception not true?
Retarded means slow and is not the politically correct term these days. The correct term is developmentally delayed which is an euphemism for mentally retarded. Individuals who are developmentally delayed have IQs below 70. The average IQ is 90 - 100.
If a person's IQ falls between 70 and 90, they are considered to be in a grey area.
A person with a learning disability is defined as one who has an average to above average level of intelligence. So technically speaking, by definition, a person cannot be both developmentally delayed and learning disabled.
However, I think many experts in this field are beginning to recognize that some people with developmental disabilities are also learning disabled.
Learning disabilities are diagnosed with an IQ test - usually the WISC (google it). Discrepancies are looked for between verbal and performance IQ scores. This is just part of the evidence looked at when diagnosing youngsters with learning disabilities.
Putting "labels" on people is a very serious business.
The bottom line is do not think for a moment that learning disability is synonym for developmentally delayed or mentally retarded.
As I have said, I have met many incredibly gifted people who have been learning disabled. I hope this answers your question.
Equating learning disabilities with mental retardation is a serious misconception. Unfortunately, it happens all to often.
In my experience, the younger generation understands this but it is harder for the so-called older generation.
In the past, people who were learning disabled have been treated as they were mentally handicapped and institutionalized. I am sure you can see that this is a tragedy.
Since I am writing this from my general knowledge, I am reasonably sure that my Intelligence Quotient (IQ) is high. As for being learning disabled, I am not a hundred percent sure. It is said that most people who study the phenomena walk away thinking they have one form or another of a learning disability. (Remember Dyslexia is just one specific form of learning disabilities and there are a number of forms in varying degrees.)
Sweet Jane - Narcissist, who earned her degrees. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2009 10:37:58 PM |
Since I am writing this from my general knowledge, I am reasonably sure that my Intelligence Quotient (IQ) is high.
How does general knowledge indicate level of intelligence??
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and more bless?
Yes, grammar is important, and no, I'm not sending my name, address and phone number. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2009 10:33:47 AM |
How does general knowledge indicate level of intelligence??
It is not so much general or specific knowledge that indicate intelligence but the ability do acquire knowledge, maintain it, synthesize it and apply it. The verbal portion of an intelligence test measures these abilities.
The general knowledge part of an intelligence test is somewhat controversial. For one thing ,it is culturally biased in favour of white, middle class individuals.
Defining intelligence and what it is has always been controversial. The debate continues. Measuring intelligence is even more controversial and interpreting the results from these tests is also controversial.
One thing that can be said with reasonable certainty is that if one does well on an Intelligence Test ( and there are only a couple of reputable ones), one will do well in school. In short, an IQ test is a good predictor of success in school.
An intelligence test is made of many sub-tests and general knowledge is actually only a small portion of the test. IMO - using, maintaining, applying and synthesizing knowledge are more important, so the question about general knowledge and intelligence level is not without merit. (I believe that I do this with my general knowledge.)
There are people with certain disabilities (Aspergers and Autism) who have acquired huge amounts of knowledge and have trouble applying it.
I hope this answers your question.
Sweet Jane
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Posted: 8/20/2009 11:39:54 AM |
One thing that can be said with reasonable certainty is that if one does well on an Intelligence Test ( and there are only a couple of reputable ones), one will do well in school. In short, an IQ test is a good predictor of success in school.
If I may correct that: One who does well on an IQ test has the capability/capacity to do well in school.
Attitude and personality play a major factor in education especially with kids. My youngest scored up in the high 90's on psycho-ed testing at the age of 5, he is selectively mute and has a major attitude (ODD). His grades in class vary with the teachers he has, some can not get past his non-verbal ways to communicate with him. He gets marked poorly because they do not know how to get the desired results from him. He just scraped by in grade 2 but, excelled in grade 3. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2009 12:47:57 PM | If I may correct that: One who does well on an IQ test has the capability/capacity to do well in school.
Yes, thanks, this is correct. My statement was a generalization and there are always exceptions.
I have a nephew who scored like your son on psycho-ed; however, while he is very sensitive, he agreeable for the most part in school and does reasonably well despite finding aspects of learning challenging.
Certain teachers click with certain students. Most teachers have little training in special education and are trying to deliver there curriculum to a diverse group of learners. Even with special education training, it is still impossible to meet the needs of everyone at any given time. (For this reason, if you are a parent of a child with learning differences, make sure you go in and speak with your child's teacher regularly. If your child is in high school, make sure you attend parent-teacher conferences and speak to teachers who your child is both successful and unsuccessful with. Parents of high school students need to stay in touch with counselors and resource room teachers.)
5 is young to have an ed-psych and while the results are meant to stay the same over time, they don't always. I have noticed this to be particularly true with younger children and children/teens speaking English as a Second Language. Just as there are issues around testing students who speak English as a Second Language, there are complications around testing students who are First Nations.)
The people who developed the IQ tests did so with the view that IQ is more or less constant. If you are tested at ages 10, 20, 30 and so on, your IQ should be roughly the same.
However, this is a generalization and researchers in this area are finding that the brain is much more elastic than once thought. This is particularly true for youngsters whose brains are just developing.
Boys on fortunately have a rough deal when it comes to school. Research shows that the parts of the brain related to language mature faster than girls - up to two years faster. Boys brains mature in this area but just at a slower rate.
BTW --- I am sorry if I am coming across as some one who "knows it all." Believe me this is hardly the case. I am just scratching the surface of this topic. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2009 1:34:05 PM | ^^^Msg: 216
however helpful in specific instances tests are generally subjective based on the test and intent of the test and its intended results, which include the use or usefulness of such result.
They merely show how one individual or a group of individuals compare to all other subjects of such test within the biases of assessment of those who created the test. In that sense not much different from a statistic.
We know the most simplistic life forms have a learning ability, suppose we call that adaptations (according to Darwin).
We know also that much simpler life forms than human can learn and that such learning ability is related to the brain size (of a normally functioning brain).
We also know that the outcome of how much learned is retained is directly related to the amount of time/effort and mostly repetition applied. That holds true for animals as much as it does for humans and at this point has little to do with intelligence of the learner. Suffice to say, some learn faster than others and some brains are perhaps already pre-trained to better/greater memory retention.
With respect to "Spelling and Grammar" all we need to do is look at our grandparents generation and before. Most handwritten and typed letters and documents I have seen are absolutely immaculate with respect to their handwriting skills applied as well as grammar and spelling.
To understand why we must look at the instructions for the teachers at the time and some may just be horrified by the thought of the approach...just making up the direction of thought here" there is no dumb pupil, just some with greater resistance, such must be overcome by punishment (beating) to compliance..." lol
What I'm saying, our ancestors weren't necessary more intelligent, just more conditioned to specific tasks and that, applying the same methods, I am certain, (not condoning ) will produce the same results today.
In that sense yabbdabbadoo is absolutely correct in her statement. The outcome of her sons ability to perform (disregarding his special condition here) is directly related to the amount (and quality) of the input.
Critical minds would suggest the results we have today are the lack of knowledge, quality, abilities and mostly caring of many a teacher and playing into that (IMO) overemphasizing of special conditions/circumstances of both teacher and taught.
As a result we now have a wonderful modern society with technology and all the help never imagined before and a generation of people who lack grammar and spelling and even the ability to use a spellchecker.
IMO, I doubt many could not overlook a typical typo error or persons with a different first language making a poor word choice or grammatical error.
Having said that and I'm judging here, only a petty mind would get hung up on such matters, don't you think?
Well, at least is is a pretty good excuse I've made for myself | |
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Posted: 8/20/2009 2:14:33 PM | IMO, I doubt many could not overlook a typical typo error or persons with a different first language making a poor word choice or grammatical error.
Having said that and I'm judging here, only a petty mind would get hung up on such matters, don't you think?
Well, at least is is a pretty good excuse I've made for myself
I agree, I also think this is what RWW was trying to say on a previous page (the part I put in bold).
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My son was tested so young due to his selective mutism, she asked the questions and my son whispered his answers to me. I still remember his first question... name three animals "aardvark, giraffe, and elephant" 
Boys on fortunately have a rough deal when it comes to school. Research shows that the parts of the brain related to language mature faster than girls - up to two years faster. Boys brains mature in this area but just at a slower rate.
In girls ? My boys are the exception to this as well, I think. My oldest was talking in full sentences at 18 months of age and was reading exceptionally well prior to attending school. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2009 2:30:41 PM | ^Sorry, for the typo. Yes, I meant to say "mature faster than boys."
With respect to Intelligence testing, probably more research and work has gone into designing these tests than any other. While there are problems with this type of testing, there are many merits which is probably why these tests are used in diagnosing learning disabilities.
I think one of my original points was people who not literate due to being learning disabled, and people who spell poorly, can still be exceptionally intelligent. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2009 2:57:44 PM |
I think one of my original points was people who not literate due to being learning disabled, and people who spell poorly, can still be exceptionally intelligent.
I agree completely with this statement. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2009 5:30:35 PM | My view on this is, schooling yourself to write correctly, helps communication and understanding to flourish. Understanding those garbled grammaticaly pooched conjegations, and such, is your way of showing your intelligents.
We are all on the same learning curve, however, all of us learn at different speeds. This is especially true when hurdling the language barrier.
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Posted: 8/20/2009 6:14:46 PM | | Well I have to comment on this..and thank you Balled Eagle for pointing out one of my misspellings. We are all unique. My ex husband was deslexic but he was one of the most intelligent people I have ever met (not many people say that about their ex but its the truth). So he didnt' always spell correctly...if we were all perfect do you think we would be on POF....humm something to ponder. I look beyond the typing mistakes for we are all human and yes, gasppppppp..even I make mistakes. I think we are all so quick to judge people on so many insignificant issues. I have seen university educated people on here make spelling mistakes..try not to judge others..life is too short to be so judgemental...hugs to all..MsBehavin | |
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Posted: 8/20/2009 8:59:50 PM | Yes, lol, the poster you mention has helped many of us with our spelling. I think there is an internet browser called Firefox or Firefly that can turn anyone into a spelling bee winner.
The other option is to type your post in your word processing program and then upload them but, really, who wants to go to all that work to look smart to people who thing spelling is the be all and end all.
Sweet Jane
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Posted: 8/21/2009 1:11:21 AM | I didn't read past the second reply, so forgive me if someone has already mentioned this.
To me, a lack of proper spelling and grammar, makes me wonder how much this person truly cares about how they present themselves. I understand if perhaps they have a learning disability, but if they are of sound and solid mind, there's truly no excuse for poor spelling/grammar/punctuation.
It also makes me wonder as to what other things in life they might slack off on.
Spelling, in this day and age, is so easy to check and correct.
What with spell check, and Google right at your fingertips, there's really no excuse.
However typos are understandable, if it's a random missing 'S' when pluralizing, or an obvious slip of the fingers on the keyboard.
9 times out of 10, I'll double check ANYTHING I type out and send.
I care about how I present myself, and the way my words appear to others, matter greatly.
Sometimes I re-read so many times, that I still miss the simplest of mistakes, and later to a /facepalm like movement
This being said, I'm sure I've made a typo somewhere lol. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2009 1:12:56 AM | Another thing.
And this really drives me batty sometimes, because it's really such a simple thing.
At least, it is to me.
They're/Their/There
Our/Are
Your/You're
A lot (contrary to what you think, it is in fact two words  ) | |
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Posted: 8/21/2009 7:39:26 AM | ^^^ could just be the spellchecker....accepting the word as a legitimate word according to spelling...
lol do get some of those too, when dyslexia sets in or the lack of glasses...noo not those silly
in, on/it at/...etc
most of us ( assume here) do not read over and over after typing...or do you??? | |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 1:36:09 PM | Does it drive anyone else crazy when reading posts or profiles when the spelling is atrocious? With some posts it is laughable the variations of the simplest words. Maybe, it's just me and a side effect of the business I am in.
So the question is would you date someone from here who had poor spelling. - Lainy1
The worse they spell, the further I step back from them. If there is no structure in their writing, if there are spelling mistakes a dime a dozen, if they can't talk about anything other than footy, League, booze, fags, hanging, etc, it's a turn-off for me and it leaves me stone cold. Actually, I am seeing more and more of this kind of thing - the brain-dead textspeak, the half-chewed words and spelling mistakes that would make a child shriek.
For instance, you see them writing "alot" instead of a lot. I mean, you don't need to be a genius to see that there is no similar word, for example "afew." What happened to the space between the two words?
And loveing, and careing, and aswell, and - oh God - there are too many to list.
No, I don't reply if the profile or the message is illiterate. Life is hard enough. Why would I want to make my life harder? I'm too old for that kind of thing.
Best wishes to everyone.
Peter | |
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