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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 11/28/2005 1:52:59 PM | Electrica... according to your logic then, women should have no palce in the workplace and should have sole responsibility for child-reading, food preparation, and all that other "domestic" stuff while men should have sole responsibility for money making, security, etc.
Is this REALLY the kind of logic you want to use here? That because back in caveman days men had to do the "performing" and women then chose the 'alpha males" based solely on their physique and "display" and 'status". Is this really how men should be judged in an age when it's okay for a woman to be a software engineer, not a stay at home housewife? When a woman doesn't HAVE to wear a dress or skirt? When she can be the primary breadwinner?
Are you saying then that we men should choose women as mates based solely on breast size, hip width, etc.? That we shouldn't care about intelligence, personality, skills, interests, etc.? "Sorry, you're a nice girl -but I don't date girls who fill out less than a D cup." "Sorry, I like you and all but your hips just aren't wide enough." Sounds an awful lot like "you're a nice guy and smart and all that, but you just don't do anything exciting and dangerous and you're too calm and nice to people." Only difference is, I don't know ANY man who wouldn't date a girl with less than a D cup! Some of us may (really!) like D-cups, but we don't REQUIRE them as an initial screening requirement.
It pretty much comes down to, where does average looking girl with average intelligence, average income, average social status, average personality, etc. think she is "entitled" to guys who are ABOVE average in all or most of these? Or, conversely, why does she settle for a guy who totally LACKS most of these but is a 10 on looks or is an "exciting" badass?
The bottom line is, the average girl has a lot more options than the average guy. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 11/28/2005 2:05:08 PM | | ^^^Only because guys let them, it takes two to tango....there are guys out there that persue superficial play hard to get, worship me gameplaying women all the time...that's why some women are like that...we let them get away with it!! | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 11/28/2005 4:05:48 PM | F*** the nice guy sh**. I'm tired of playing those games. I'm just going to bench and work
on my abs and when it comes the time I think my body's in good enough condition, the first
hot girl I see, she better like what she sees or f**k her. These sluts don't know what it's like
to ask a girl out and only get rejected. Can't they see men need companionship. It's all a
bunch of hogwash. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 11/28/2005 5:04:11 PM | Read my profile and tell me you think I lie. How many men put their much younger pics up or there is even one of Tom Cruise. Talk about nice. ... To me nice guys are to sensitive or feminine....... Everyone has their own interpretation of every word that exists. What does nice guy really mean? A gentlemen? Again is he a gentleman because he has a gentle touch or because he opens doors. Your darn right if we are dressed up he is gonna open the door for me and a gentle touch across the face is always nice but those strong hands mmmmm ....oops thinking out loud. Badboy does not neccessarily mean criminal. it just means they are a different type of guy that likes the Fonz image and some of those guys look good in the leather. You can do nice things for us but NICE my mom likes nice!!!
Oh I am thoughtful and very kindhearted and I am still single. Maybe my profile is too honest. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 11/28/2005 5:30:29 PM | If you were in a group with your buddies you would be saying something different.
No, I wouldn't because I don't hang out with others guys because I need a support group to listen to me whine. I hang around my friends because I am a social person and I like to have fun. We go out on the town and paint it red. If any one of them started crying about how unlucky he was with girls, he'd get dropped from the group. Who wants to hang out with somebody who is going to lower your fun? That doesn't mean that an actual friend of mine can't come to me with a problem. However, I hardly think that what you are discussing is an actual problem, at least not one that hasn't been self-induced.
I can't think of a single instance when I've ever seen a female make the first move
That's pretty sad. In my experience this isn't the case. I rarely, if ever, end up making the first move, unless it is a girl that clearly won't do it and happens to be signaling me in with a spotlight. It's not that I wouldn't have, they were just quicker on the draw, and I was playing it safe so they wouldn't think I was just trying to take advantage of them. I guess some women don't care. It works out well for me because I happen to prefer aggressive women. They are better in bed, usually but not always. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 11/28/2005 5:46:27 PM | Here is my take on this.
I think people under estimate physical attraction. You could have the most outrageous personality, with the ability of a stand-up comic.. But if you don't have looks, you'll always have problems. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 11/28/2005 6:06:29 PM | agree with you 100% REDVIKING..I gave up years ago...Tired of all the games and lies....Women claim they want a nice guy,But when he comes in her life.
I just have to ask. What exactly do you mean when you say you gave up? Does that mean you got so jaded with women, you decided to go gay? I'd be willing to bet that many guys in the gay community made the same choice at some point when their efforts with women failed. Honestly, I think some of the guys I have listened to in this thread are on that line. Just listen to the way some of them speak about women. They don't have one nice thing to say about them. It appears that they are insulted because women are not interested in them. Judging by their posts in this thread, they might be over looking some of their finer qualities in women. It seems that they are most interested in what woman can give them rather than what they have to offer members of the opposite sex. Therefore, I would say that their assertions about themselves are way off base. They are not the nice guys they claim to be. They just want a piece of *ss, because they lack the ability to appreciate the other assets that females possess. I mean look at the their argument. They are really just compaining because they fail in their attempts to have sex with them. Women are smarter than you give them credit for. Posting on an internet forum and claiming you are a nice guy isn't going to cut it. Hell, I am convinced that the reason most of the whiners post that kind of drivle is because they have this notion in their heads that some woman who has been royally d*cked over is going hear their own claims about them being nice guys and randomly send them an e-mail out of the blue. All that whining would have then paid off. Seems like a bad strategy to me. If you are that inept and jaded when it comes to women, maybe you should go ahead and cross the line I was referring to earlier, because at least you wouldn't be giving heterosexual men a bad name. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 11/28/2005 6:38:09 PM | | What is a "nice" guy anyway? It's a word I use to describe a sunset, the ocean temperature, someone's smile or a kind deed...not a persona. I may describe myself as "nice" (totally hypothetically), but the bottom line is what am I DOING today? Words are just words. What have I done today to help somebody else? Have I been honest, patient, tolerant? In my book, that's some of the stuff good people are made of -- men or women. I am what I am and try to do the next right thing -- if somebody doesn't respond to me, so what? I could really care less. So I think nice guys, shmice guys. It is a pretty sad excuse for a thread on here, so I guess I agree with the OP -- unlike earlier today when I thought it very nitty. Here's to a great night in South Florida, Ben. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 11/28/2005 6:46:18 PM | Hiya people!
I don't know why this forum is spiraling in and out of bitterness?
The fact really is,,, Some women/men like a hard a***d mongrel of a partner to satisfy their alter ego's or maybe even just to make up for a boring life maybe? But!! most people I have met have quite a different attitude to all this.
Let me explain a bit :-)
I live in South Australia and here(all of Oz) the women will pass up most men who are NOT SINCERE!! or NOT OPEN!! or NOT NICE!!!! I don't know about the US and England etc but if you start to date pigs/****es then the standard you set will be your undoing. I will not date a stuck up or self centered woman and I would never expect a woman to date me if I was not NICE! I am the very thing you are describing 'fightersbreath" and I'm sorry to burst your bubble but ya wrong babe :-) I don't post sad topics or wine about my life in any forums as that's my business but I DO understand where some of these issues are coming from.
Come on ladies, you know that you are looking down at the many, many suitors and have far more choices than the average male, so of course you will get backlash when you reject enough guys. For me it's all about my 3 daughters so the love is always around me, but yes! I have searched and have been rejected MANY times, I have also rejected women in that never ending search for "the one" - I have had some very abusive emails from disgruntled women that could not handle my straight forwardness and they may have had their own topics to add to the vast amount forums out there.
I think that some men get so obsessed with a photo(often glamorous/sexy) to the point of stalking a profile, then the woman gets so agro about it that she cast's a judgment on the next batch of suitors and so on. YES there are many sicko's out there, the internet is a vent for desire and deceit amongst many other of personkind's sexual wants. But we all have to wade through the poo to find happiness and sometimes it all pays off, If you came across 10 arrogant drivers in one day on the road,,,, would you sell your car? no of course not, but you would wind up your window and look the other way hey, you wouldn’t look at the next 10 drivers the same way!
To wrap this up I just like to say. Don't give up! never throw in the towel just because the 'purty' girls have the longest cues. The silent types will always have something to say and most will not judge you - so go get these mysterious "non-talkers" cos' they are the ones with no fan clubs to inspire their EGO's
Catchya's L8r
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 11/28/2005 7:18:34 PM | | Real quick. G'day Lee! Thanks for that. I lived in Melbourne for a couple months 15 years ago. Loved it! Did consulting for State Electricity Commission of Victoria. Saw Sydney and the Great Barrier Reef too. I'll never forget the phrase...and I'll use it now to you: Good on ya mate! Cheers across the Pacific where it's already tomorrow. What's the winning lottery number here in Delray Beach FL? | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 11/28/2005 8:03:02 PM | Lee/Snagdad, good post. It sounds like with Aussie women maybe there is a better chance of the time and effort spent on them being worthwhile? You do seem to paint a rosier picture than what most guys (other than those rare few who succeed in bagging a different girl every time they go out- to whom I say more power to you, but I'd rather have a relationship based on trust, not thrust!) have to say about women here in the States...
In any event, sometimes I think it comes down to a shortage of genuinely nice women with lives of their own who are not insecure, don't have superiority complexes (which usually stem from those insecurities as means of "compensating"), aren't sexist pigs, aren't suffering from narcissictic personality disorder, can honestly communicate, and can accept that men are just human and are not flawless "knights in shining armor". Nice women like this do exist... in fact I've even met one or two... (!)
As for who has power and options... it should be telling when you consider that men complain about women's poor behavior, high/double/unrealistic standards, lack of risk-taking and initiative, narrow-mindedness in dating preferences (be honest girls- 90 % of the guys who are highly successful with women fit into just a couple of stereotypical profiles) etc. and women in turn complain about... men not being perfect, and men complaining that women think they should be!!! Think about it for a minute and it's obvious who's speaking from the position of "working too hard for not enough pay" and who's speaking from the position of "the servants are getting unruly again, they must be quieted ASAP".
Oh, and to address some comments by others.... I can't speak for everyone but I'm not really looking to to get some skank into bed, I'm just looking for an actual "nice girl" who knows who she is, knows what she wants, isn't selfish, has realistic expectations, and doesn't use artificially inflated premiums on p*ssy to artificially boost her "market value" (and ego!). | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 11/28/2005 8:08:00 PM | | WoW ! I see THIS is still going on here ... ROFLMAO ! I would give ya'll another tip ... However, I can see that it won't do any good.....cause some of Ya'll has already destroyed yourself on here..... Anyway . One for the road , the less you say the better off you'll be and if something doesnt work in the beginning.. it wasn't meant to be, Get back in your car and move on and have FUN ! Have A Great Day ... I know I WILL ! Now then .. I shall leave this forum cause I have EMAILS TO REPLY too . | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 11/28/2005 8:08:02 PM | I also agree with xchuck- stop playing the games and putting up with the BS, remidn yourself you've got some balls, and don't let p-power control you!
Hell, if all men did this collectively, women actually WOULD have to play on a level field... | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 11/28/2005 9:04:46 PM | I'm pretty sure most guys, at least in secret, think we have to work way to hard for what we get while for women, working at it at all is pretty much optional.
Hear this one ladies, the god all mighty redviking nows it all...NOT!!! Women don't have to work at it. What friggin' planet are you living on buddy because it's definitely not one of reality. First off I never tried to dish out any criticism towards men. And yes, you need to get the hell over whatever it is that's got you so hung up. It works both god dam ways. You don't think that men expect women to have the perfect barbie doll figure as you are saying that women expect men to be all buff and shit. You don't think that men expect us to look all perfect all the time, perfect hair, perfect make up, perfect everything. Let me tell ya there's a sh*t load of them out there. You think we don't have to work the same as you. Get over yourself man.
There's lots of great guys out there who don't expect women to be so perfect and lots who do. There are alot of women out there who don't expect their men to be perfect and lots who expect their men to be perfect. It's all in personal choice. Some women want to stay home and be the houswife with a man bringing home the bacon. Some women don't want children at all and still want to be the homemaker. Some women are just lazy ass b*tches. Some women want a career and children. All the same goes for men. You have your dead beats, you're no children men, your work aholics, your party aholics and so on and so on. Have you not got a clue at all when it comes to life, people, and relationships? Here's a mental note for ya: the world is filled with many different kinds of people, figure out who you are and surround yourself with the people of your choice and stay away from the rest. If someone not of your personal choice comes your way leave and stay away from them and move on, YES, MOVE ON WITH IT, just don't be around them anymore, it really is that simple.
I think I am a beautiful girl with a great body, great smile, outgoing personality, good job, own my own home which I purchased by myself with no help from a man, i drive a nice vehicle, I have wonderful friends. I fit the profile of a woman you put into a standard of one who needs to only sit on her ass, toss her hair a couple times and the guys come runnin' doin' all the work. Get real man, if it was that easy I would not be here networking. And woman do make the move, I have tons of times becuase most of the guys I end up being attracted to are too dam shy to make the move. And no, I don't like or go for the ***holes that treat me like sh*t. My last boyfriend called me a slut one too many times so I kicked his ass and threw him to the curb and out of my house because guess what, I do want and expect my guy to be nice, but I also expect to be attracted to him. My guys to me are 10's but they are not 10's in everyone's eyes. And no, I definitely do not go for the muscle junkies, it's not my preference. That's the way life is everyone has their own personal choice and not all women or men can be thrown into one category. So while you are cryin' about some dumb ass b*tch who only talks about herself threw you to the curb, and you couldn't even land someone like that you need to analyze what you really care about. Does it really mean that much and is it really worth talking about some dumb ass b*tch not wanting you. One would think that you would be greatful she wasn't interested, I mean come on you couldn't even have a conversation with her right....
Simply, all you nice guys, you just need to realize that both men and women have been burned alot by the same kind of personalities, IT'S ALL A PART OF THIS THING CALLED LIFE. Work towards enjoying it and not horrifying it. It takes two to have a relationship and it takes two to ruin it. Instead of blaming the opposite sex maybe you should look at yourself and see what you did wrong. You say women stay with the ***holes who treat them like shit. Well if you haven't landed a nice woman for yourself we could say the same about you. Maybe you need to stay away from the women who think of themselves as goddesses and look for a nice woman. Hey man, get a clue, it works both ways...
CSUguy, BigMick, 2hot4this, and Xchuck have got it goin' on. You should 100% take a few lessons from them. If you follow their advise about women and dating, you will probably find yourself actually getting somewhere with the ladies... If you continue on the way you are my only advice would be to do all women and men a favor and get the hell out of the dating scene. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 11/28/2005 9:42:41 PM |
If any one of them started crying about how unlucky he was with girls, he'd get dropped from the group.
That doesn't mean that an actual friend of mine can't come to me with a problem.
Guess it is true opinions are like a**holes everyone has one...
CSRguy dude whatever you have made your point and I have made mine...now get over it and move on ....or continue to post dones't matter to me...
Seems like you would of found something more creative to do. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 11/28/2005 9:49:46 PM |
WoW ! I see THIS is still going on here ... ROFLMAO ! I would give ya'll another tip ... However, I can see that it won't do any good.....cause some of Ya'll has already destroyed yourself on here..... Anyway . One for the road , the less you say the better off you'll be and if something doesnt work in the beginning.. it wasn't meant to be, Get back in your car and move on and have FUN ! Have A Great Day ... I know I WILL ! Now then .. I shall leave this forum cause I have EMAILS TO REPLY too . While were all making our points...Magic Man is stealing all the ladies. I say we kick his ass | |
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