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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 12:55:21 PM |
LMAO. molonel. O god let me stop laughing. I can't see through all the tears. What am I now? An assignment? Now you've got a focus to whine about. Moi. How nice! - popsicleman
Sprinkling your posts with AOL-isms and faux French phrases makes you seem not only confident, but clever. Seriously. It almost makes up for the overall lack of substance in what you write. But not quite.
Of course you can't see pumpkin, we all know you can't see. The only thing you can see is people who complain. I bet in the middle of a conversation you will stop everyone and say, "WAIT! My sensitive super hearing has picked up someone complaining some where. I need to change from my scecret identity into..." what ever it is you change in to. - popsicleman
Pumpkin? Shucks, sugarplum. That rejoinder was so lame, I went limp just reading it. It's interesting that you say I only hear people complain, when you just replied to a post where I told someone he didn't. I know consistency is hard for you, my Wittle Wuv Muffin, but the rewards are worth it. Focus.
Especially using the joke about what kind of wine you like? OUCH that hurt. wait, vintage 1813? Not the wine, the joke. - popsicleman
You don't see the irony of someone who pretends to intellectually dissect me claiming to deal with "a whiner who wines ABOUT whiners?"
Ah well. I guess I'll skip the joke about which cheese you want to order with your whine.
I am dead, you got me. Dissected and all. You are DEFINATELY the better man. Guess you showed me huh? Any other colorful cliche's anyone? - popsicleman
Pish! Flattery will get you everywhere, you big hunk. When you're ready to drop the, "I'm laughing so hard and avoiding this discussion because I'm so witty and clever" schtick, you let me know. That false sense of confidence probably jives well, I'm sure, with the over-40 lonely divorcee set, which appears to be your target audience. But you betray yourself with the three rather lengthy final paragraphs in your profile which could easily be summarized, "Oh, me so horny! Me love you long time!"
Come on, sparky. You threw the gauntlet down. If you don't have any uumph to back it up, there's no shame in admitting it. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 1:12:57 PM |
And then there is poorgie, whose "evidence" was discredited what, ten pages ago? - molonel
There is evidence all over the internet, do your research I have. Oh I forgot, you make up your own research. Nevermind. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 1:15:14 PM |
There is evidence all over the internet, do your research I have. Oh I forgot, you make up your own research. Nevermind. - poorgie
You quoted a man with degrees in "Creative Intelligence" from the Maharishi European Research University, and a Ph.D. from a degree mill that was shut down by the state of California. You haven't done any research. You'll just quote any crackpot who agrees with you.
Next? | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 1:20:26 PM | Triggered a bit of defensiveness in you have I?
I see you've taken my "perspective" & attacked it.
Popsicle, you have a very limited argument, I'm afraid.
You have stormed through my post & huffed out a bitter retort.
While some of your concepts are true to the idea of how to treat a female, they are not rules for them alone.
This is not highschool, this is life. The prom ended years ago & reality took hold.
Anyone can wear/give flowers for any reason they please & rape is rape no matter who the victim is.
They are the ones courted or asked out and not vise versa unless you are a Rock Star or a Jock.
They get the money spent on them.
You walk them to the car if it's dark out.
You walk them to the door.
They want you to remember special days, or days that are special to them.
They want you to go into every store in the world and when you go to ONE store you want, they wait outside.
You ask THEM for their phone number.
If you don't tell them how good they look , you have committed a MAJOR trepass.
You open doors for them.
You pull their chair out for them.
You just feel free to hang onto those ideas, that's your right. Once, these ideas were concidered the norm, as were a whole slew of "how a woman should act" periodicals. But remember, just because you remember things done a particular way, does not make it the only option.
Try wandering into a Congressmans or Senators social setting and not know these rules that don't exsist. You won't last long.
...and don't make uneducated assumptions about a person you do not know.
You and I are strangers, don't pretend otherwise.
You are not by my side when I go to work with high end political figures.
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 1:20:52 PM |
You'll just quote any crackpot who agrees with you.
Really now, it is all common sense. If I wanted to stop having manners I could start hanging out in your neck of the woods instead of buying a book labeled No More Mr. Nice Guy. Who is next? Oh nobody else is cause they all agree. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 1:28:06 PM |
Really now, it is all common sense. If I wanted to stop having manners I could start hanging out in your neck of the woods instead of buying a book labeled No More Mr. Nice Guy. Who is next? Oh nobody else is cause they all agree. - poorgie
No, it's not all common sense, and once again, you're dodging the point that your "clinical" argument that you trotted out umpteen pages ago has been shot full of holes, and found wanting. So just saying, "Everyone should know this stuff" simply isn't true. It's self-help claptrap, and if you don't have anything better to offer, then hush up about it as if it is a valid argument that people refuse to deal with. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 1:32:15 PM | | How come all the hot ****es are from Canada? It's flippin cold up there right? So why do we have all these illegal mexicans coming up from the warm south yet the sexy women of Canada stay in the sub zero temps??? Wheres the logic? You would think there would be immigration issues coming from the north not the south. (Just an FYI- I have no problem with mexicans, just do the math people) | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 1:37:51 PM | | Stating ALL nice guys fit into the unwanted category is madness. And once again, you feel the need to downplay my arguments which you can agree are true. Guys who argue or whine online do not need to worry about a Texas SWAT team going into their house if they are a part of the POF broken hearts forum. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 1:59:38 PM | To spiceygamble:
We're not all here to bagger or batter either gender, although it could seem that way, or some may actually set out to do that. My time spent here is only a small portion of my day...nothing that I have to live or die over if I don't get here any one particular day or the next. Not trying to be rude at all, nor critical of your observations, which by the way has some very valid points, its just a sometime hobby and a entertaining one at that. Collective views from sheparding other comments within this blog, and then giving as much of a generic opinion is all I go for and attempt to do. I will never 'attack' anyone here for a 'constitutional' opinion, hoping I receive a like consideration. If anything, creating healthy 'arguements', disagreements and/or discussions is my intent, which is no way should be considered an 'attack'...to the person, or his/hers comments. You have a nicely read profile, as do most here...only difference, you're good looking to boot! Cheers! Carry on the struggle! (U don't know) Jack | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 2:07:10 PM |
And once again, you feel the need to downplay my arguments which you can agree are true. Guys who argue or whine online do not need to worry about a Texas SWAT team going into their house if they are a part of the POF broken hearts forum. - poorgie
I choose to downplay your arguments because they are ridiculous. By refusing to elaborate on them or say anything cogent or intelligent beyond, "Dr. John Gray is god!" you invite ridicule and scorn.
By arguing, "There are worse things in the world than whiners!" you have essentially proven nothing beyond quietly dubbing yourself "Undisputed Zen Grand Master of the Fruitless Non Sequitur," or simply UZGMFNS, for short. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 2:23:45 PM | | This will not be popular with everyone I'm sure but in the 50's age group things are different for sure. Ladies have a****ns of a time finding a decent man. You ARE auditioning, and unfortunately in that I'm financially successful and men that are my age that are the same way want eye candy that is young and athletic, the ones that are not financially set look at me as the retirement fund (as did last hubby). Men have asked the rudest most inappropriate personal questions on the first "date" that make me shudder. However this MUST be a people thing not a male or female flaw.....some folks just do not have manners. Yes I do like to be spoiled, but I spoil in return and loved being able to have someone to surprise and do things for. I've had a wonderfully fun life and would like to continue it with a man included, but I don't sleep with someone quickly (another problem)..... Haven't you men out there figured out that if a woman puts it out for you she does the same all over town?? That condoms are not 100% safe for birth control OR disease control?? So what do you do, you say no to sex (for now) and end of audition...next.... I do watch mtv's dating game next (funny show). You have a health issue..... next. We are all going to have problems of one sort or another....a good friend of mine had her boyfriend leave after she had to have open heart surgery.....what steadfastness...and the moron owned a chain of funeral homes... she could have been a client!!! Humor aside if you men think things are not going in your favor now, just wait a few decades and all your dreams will come true. If you are wealthy all women will want you and if you are not you will have your pick of saggy baggy draggy lill ol ladies who will vy for your attentions and cook and bake for you, etc etc. by way of a post script if you think women don't lift a finger or do anything, try getting a brazilian wax sometime, think about how much time, money and effort it takes to put on the powder and paint, the hair color and curling, the fake nails, tweezing, lotions and potions galore, we wear the push up bras for a reason, we want you, it's not just to feel good about ourselves. Enough for now I'm sure I've annoyed more than my share of people by what I've written already. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 2:25:40 PM | I appreciate your coments & return the civility likewise, Jack.
The valid collective veiws are not what I noticed when I began reading this....unbelievably long & drawn out series of post. I read the jaded personalities louder than the points being made.(not a personal reference, mind you)
A topic that has every right to be openly discussed has turned into a HUGE penis wagging contest(as if the bigger one wins the point... no pun).
I dug around, I read, I cross read & it's really amazing how some people are taking an aggresive battling approach to simply exchange points of veiw. While I see this topic triggers the male defensiveness, it also alleges us girls are supposed to behave in a specific manner. The all pink & frilly, 'oh gosh I can't get the door cause I shopped too much' stain.
Being feminine does not mean we have to act according to standards set by another generation during different times. Having said that, being a nice guy does not mean a man has to fling himself at mudpuddles, yank every door open or 'puss puss around the woman who is burning a hole through his credit card. (at least it doesn't to me)
Simply put, a nice guy can sit with his mate, in any environment as an equal.
The nice guy doesn't go wacky when he isn't what the other person wants.
...oh, & he doesn't engage himself is hollow banter as if it's his only opertunity at 15 mins of fame.
BTW~ a worthwhile read, that profile of yours... I wish you luck. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 2:37:00 PM | Spicey...
...and most of it (my profile) was written on a bad day too! Ditto and kudos on a similiar shaped (pun intended) profile. As with others, a standing invitation, feel free to dive in the shallow end here, or if preferred, privately. (U don't know) Jack | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 2:37:11 PM | Most of my research came from reporters such as Cecelai Goodnow
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER...not a self proclaimed Dr.
Yet another indication of a macho macho man trying to make a good guy feel sorry for himself. Sorry. Won't happen here stud muffin. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 2:50:52 PM | Most of my research came from reporters such as Cecelai Goodnow SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER...not a self proclaimed Dr. - poorgie
Oh my God! You mean a reporter said it? Why didn't you say so?!?!?!? That means it simply MUST be true, doesn't it?
Or was this that dippy interview with that Robert Glover guy, "who acknowledges he has no hard data beyond clinical observation of a trait he has sought treatment for himself?"
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/lifestyle/68913_niceguy03.shtml
It was even in the "Lifestyles" section of the paper. Wow. That's some hard clinical data you've got there, poorgie.
Do you understand now why people don't take your arguments very seriously?
Yet another indication of a macho macho man trying to make a good guy feel sorry for himself. Sorry. Won't happen here stud muffin. - poorgie
That's okay, Sweetcheeks. I'll stifle a yawn every now and then while I effortlessly bat away the best of your arguments. You don't have to like it. You just have to accept it. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 3:09:12 PM | | Well at least it is not from a self proclaimed Dr. John Gray. I don't have to accept anything except what I feel is the truth and saying my research is from some other person is not the truth. So for you to say I am following another source is not right, but of course I will accept the truth of the matter being you are a typical Internet troll. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 3:38:08 PM |
Well at least it is not from a self proclaimed Dr. John Gray. I don't have to accept anything except what I feel is the truth and saying my research is from some other person is not the truth. So for you to say I am following another source is not right, but of course I will accept the truth of the matter being you are a typical Internet troll. - poorgie
Oh God yes! Thank you for quoting a therapist with no listed credentials, research backing, peer review and no clinical data whatsoever, and whose words are distilled by a reporter, instead of quoting directly from someone with no listed credentials, peer review and no clinical data whatsoever AND a few self-help titles to his credit.
That's the simple truth. And pointing it out doesn't make me a troll, my friend. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 3:44:46 PM |
How interesting...
out of all of you who've been pounding away on your little keys, how many actually feel better now? -spicey
Actually, for what it's worth, I do. It has been therapeutic.
If the proverbial "nice guy" definition means sitting for hours on the computer venting about the conditions that led to your being single... I'm not going to want the "nice guy" either! -spicey
You should write a book, or a column in the newspaper... perhaps poorgie would actually listen to you... perhaps he might finally get it.
You don't think someone is comfortable with whom they are because of them commenting that they SAY they know who they are? -popsicleman
No... people who avoid acknowledging that they've done or said something is an indication of being uncomfortable with who they are. As for someone saying they know who they are whilst contradicting themselves at every turn... I would say that is someone who doesn't know themself, no?
I would have to say it was said best the first page. But then again, we have trolls like yourself who have the need to nit pick other peoples opinion. -poorgie
Oh boo hoo. A little more irony here. Just in case you missed it, back when I first posted in this thread, it was you who "nit picked" (By the way... kudos for using your own words instead of adopting popsicleman's "dissecting". You see? You are starting to learn to free your mind. Bravo my good man!) my comments. I chose to post once more and leave. However, I did come back. You were still here, "nit picking" everyone else's comments. So you can call everyone who disagrees with you a troll if you like, but if anyone is a troll, it's you. Is not a troll a single person who takes over a thread and has most of the comments coming their way? How many times have comments specifically referred to someone other than yourself? I don't know that two or three trolls can co-exist in one thread. Too much competition for attention.
Yet another indication of a macho macho man trying to make a good guy feel sorry for himself. -poorige
So you weren't trying to be macho when you all but dared me to post a picture of myself? Oh wait... no... that was a smoke and mirrors reference. Sorry... my mistake. Cinnamon and gravy to ya fella.
This is what I mean when I say you don't know who you are... you just think you do. It's no different than the "nice guys" who think they are nice, but they really aren't. You do not come across as the person you think you are. You do not behave like the person you profess to be.
I don't have to accept anything except what I feel is the truth -poorgie
I'm glad you can admit it. Because indeed much of this thread has been indicating to you that you have a closed mind. A little more irony... goes along with a saying I read recently... "It seems the person who most wants to share their religious beliefs with you very seldom wants to hear yours." Substitute religious beliefs with dating advice and that kinda sums you up in a nutshell. | |
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 4:47:48 PM | I just re-read the first 11 pages... 
The post that I set up to post is probably a page long and shows the contradictions by accurate quotes.
It to me is just unfathomable to notice that others have agreed with a poster that has misquoted or taken words from other posters as his own, before reading more of his posts.
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| Will all the nice guys stop asking why we dont want them!
Posted: 2/6/2006 6:14:20 PM | | We do want the nice guys but sometimes we too are shy and have a hard time contacting them. I think a guy letting a girl know he is interested brings her out of her shell and she finds it flattering. I do understand that some women are rude or don't respond but men do the same thing. | |
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