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Posted: 7/7/2008 12:18:47 PM | Hey you can't knock the success rate of a good ole "wink" from a lady. Sure I could carpet bomb the women that come by my site with messages but why? I'm a people watcher like everyone else and I love seeing a bit of a persons life on a page.
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Posted: 7/7/2008 7:55:34 PM | I know, It's weird ain't it? You can find a woman that you hit it off well with thousands of miles away but you can't find one within fifty miles of you........ Don't misunderstand me, At this point i wouldn't take anything for the woman i met on here. She is the sweetest,kindest woman i have ever met. But, She lives 125 miles from me in West Alabama. Every time i sign on here i see women that are much closer than her but they never seem interested. For me, When i was sending out first contact messages the women that were within 50 to 75 miles of me wouldn't never return my messages. But the funny, weird thing is the women that are 100 miles and farther want to talk to me. I finally made up my mind that if a woman was within 200 miles of me that wasn't to far go. The distance thing, It requires a little bit more work to keep the relationship alive but it's worth it. I know it isn't this way for everyone but all the women that were local to me that did return my messages they seemed to want me to jump through hoops just to get and keep there attention. As i stated previously in another post. All i said was a simple"Hello" to her. Things have been going good ever since. So i guess what i am trying to say guys is keep trying. Maybe you will get lucky and meet one that all it takes is a simple Hello, no elaborate messages and no hoop jumping. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 8:12:50 PM | | Eddie, you don't live far away from me, and yep, most of the men who contact me who are interested and interesting live over 200 miles away. The ones who are 25-50 miles away say the distance is too great, which cracks me up. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 8:14:37 PM | Yeah I noticed that phenomenon too.
Women in your backyard are reticent but the gal half a state away is gung ho about you.
I tell you dating's going to change the minute those Star Trek teleporters hit the mass market :P
I think some women like that "buffer" that the distance brings. They know you won't be on their doorstep
everynight should you go stalker on them.
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Posted: 7/7/2008 8:33:28 PM | Fifi, I know exactly what you mean. I have had countless women tell me that 40 miles is to far away. I think it's just a excuse. They just wasn't interested. Which is OK with me. Nobody has to hit me over the head with a brick. That was back before i learned to avoid the ones who show cleavage to. They are not serious. They just want attention. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 8:38:43 PM | Obsidian71 Said,
They know you won't be on their doorstep
every night should you go stalker on them.
Well, All i can say about that is, No woman has to worry about that with me. If a woman doesn't want me then i don't want her. I don't beg. Back when i was sending out first contact messages if i message a woman and she didn't return it, OK , That is the last they hear from me and i don't go back. I remember every woman that didn't return my message for the simple reason that not one would ever be able to say i stalked her. NEXT! | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 9:00:59 PM | | Ok.. here is where I have to defend my girls. Oh, and by the way, check out the title of my profile. First of all, while it may be true that we get many messages, how many of them are just dudes trolling for an easy lay. I swear I have had the same guy message me two and three times with the same generic lame message and had no clue they had written me before. I don't care what the guy looks like. I will respond if they genuinely saw my profile, and thought "humm, this girl is something" and reached out to me . This format is no different than any other. It may be easy for you guys to rationalize that for girls it's an ego boost or they are so out numbered, but take a second to over look you ego and realize that women want to be treasured and treated like a princess and that has nothing to do with whether it's online or in a bar or where ever. And most women will give you more than that in return. Women for far too long have settled for zero romance in their lives. We have been taken advantage of, lied to, and mistreated for years and for once a guy may actually have to work- and oh I'm soooo sorry. I have to tell you, it's your own fault. After my divorce I got taken advantage of many times by guys looking for a quick thing in the bedroom, so yeah, I make it harder. I am guarded. Not by choice, by need. Once bitten twice shy. Words are easy, and I know that if you can't spend five minutes sending me a quality message, there not chance you can give me anything long term. So I am not willing to waist either one of our time playing games. I am not bitter, just smarter. I know there are wonderful guys out there and have met many here. I'm just waiting for "the one". | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 10:19:12 PM | | The one thing that keeps me coming back to this thread is the fact that there are so many women that just can't seem to see that a guys reaction to them is directly connected to how the women respond to them. I have said this over and over again. If you want guys to take you serious and be willing to sit down and and write you meaningful letters about you and what he read in your profile then be willing to answer when he writes. I know that there is a lot of women on this thread that has stated that when a guy writes them they answer. This isn't for you. I don't think any of us guys have any problem with you because when you get right down to it the women who post on the forums is just a small percentage of the women on POF. The BIG majority of women on this site never even post on the forums. Those are the ones that will let most messages whether well thought out or not go unanswered. Those are the ones that cause most guys to just send short messages. I have already said this before, When a person joins POF they should be taken directly to the forums. It should be a part of joining POF. Participation in the forums. If you don't participate in the forums then you should not allowed to receive messages. I came across a lady the other day that said she had been here 2 years and just had found the forums. I don't know if i believe it or not. But since she has been reading and participating in the forums she understands better about why guys are the way they are and now she is doing better on the site. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 10:23:35 PM | There's just one small point that I would like to make about that BellaVamp.
You said: "Words are easy, and I know that if you can't spend five minutes sending me a quality message, there's not a chance you can give me anything long term".
What about those of us guys THAT DO take the time, effort, and thought to send a quality message to EACH female we try to contact...........but only a few will take the
30 to 60 seconds needed to read the message sent to them..............and MOST just simply click UNREAD/DELETE???!!!
So Bella.........what would YOUR impression be of the one that you sent the message to
if YOU were the sender???
Not much of a QUALITY person, huh???
So do you think there's a chance the receiver could give YOU anything long term as the sender? I doubt it. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 4:53:10 AM | I certainly and whole heartedly agree that internet dating sucks more for guys than women... but if we're to be perfectly honest, so does REAL LIFE dating!!
Let's take a look at a typical meeting/pick up venue, THE BAR/NIGHTCLUB!!
Women these days seem to say the usual blarb that they want a guy with a peronality rather than looks... OK, fair comment and very admirable. So let's take this scenario:
'A woman goes into a bar... sees a guy across the other side of the room, and automatically she is attracted to him!! '
QUESTION:
"Is this because of his Personality??"
NO IT IS NOT!!!
No woman walks into a bar and sees a guy across the room and is automatically turned on by his personality!! It's all about being deemed attractive enough to warrant her attention in the first place!!
Now, I wouldn't deem myself as being ugly... I guess I'm fairly attractive, in my own way! However, I'm no George Clooney or Brad Pitt, but I will admit to having a hell of a personality and can hold a real conversation with just about anybody!
Now I try to spill this personality out into the world of Internet Dating!! I don't send Sexually Explicit Emails... I don't send Nasty insulting Emails either... I DO however send Emails showing a genuine interest in the recipient in question!!
And no... they're not all Supermodels!! I always read someone's profile before I send a message, as there's nothing worse than sending a message which doesn't have a personal feel to it...
Now... let's count how many replies I get, shall we!!
How many fingers should I use to do this counting?? 10 maybe...? How about 5.?
No...?
Oh, I know.... let's just clench a fist and use the protutrding fingers from that!!
That's right... yesterday I sent a total of 14 Emails.... and not one of them has even bothered to reply!
I checked the Sent Message Status.... and out of all 14 messages, 13 had been read, 9 of which were deleted!!
So I then checked who had been veiwing my profile.... can you guess...?
Yep.. every single one of those women I'd sent an Email to, checked out my profile!!
So I'm guessing I'm either one hell of an Ugly Son of a B*tch... or Women these days are as ignorant as hell!!
I'm gonna go for the latter!!
Sorry if that offends... but then again, so does ignorance!!
Peace out! | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 5:02:45 AM |
Women these days seem to say the usual blarb that they want a guy with a peronality rather than looks... OK, fair comment and very admirable.
Why do men hear this when we say personality IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS looks? Some women even say no personality will turn her off, but DUH. Looks are what draw us in...and when I say "looks", I mean someone we're attracted to, not necessarily drop dead gorgeous....just attractive to us.
'A woman goes into a bar... sees a guy across the other side of the room, and automatically she is attracted to him!! '
QUESTION:
"Is this because of his Personality??"
NO IT IS NOT!!!
No woman walks into a bar and sees a guy across the room and is automatically turned on by his personality!! It's all about being deemed attractive enough to warrant her attention in the first place!!
Obviously in your nightclub scenario (and anywhere else, honestly) looks are the first thing we encounter. So if we're not into you visually, then there's no need to find out you won a nobel prize last week. Sorry...
Don't looks draw you in as men? Of course they do, none of the above matters if that woman isn't attractive to you - and for men who say it doesn't matter, don't even start lying about this. Why is this so hard to understand in reverse?
Looks get you in, personality KEEPS you in. We want BOTH - why would we choose just one, unless we were personally looking to torture ourselves instead of date someone?
Ok so let's recap.
Looks/personality = keeper!
Looks/personality of a car crash = no thanks
NO looks/terrific personality = virtually invisible AND no thanks.
Are we all clear?
Alrighty...on with the thread. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 5:37:24 AM | ^^^^
YES!
Guys, I know you don't message every woman you come across on POF nor do you ask every woman you meet out on a date. You have standards, deal-breakers or whatever you want to call them. I get rejected by guys that I make first contact with on here. I've only received a handful of "thanks but no thanks" to the messages I send out (and one guy was so rude I wished he hadn't bothered). They don't care that my heart is so big that they'd break their neck if they fell off it. LOL! They just aren't into my looks and that is ok.
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Posted: 7/8/2008 6:14:46 AM | Okay so all the people that said my message number 1981
was disjointed and extremely long must be correct.
I never said I was a writer.
What I was doing is giving you an example of an e-mail that
I sent out to a woman, and have sent out over 90 personalized
e-mails to women in general and only have received three replies.
Which you will have the ability to read in and of itself at the
bottom of this FORUM LETER, and if you still think that I am
not able to put an e-mail together, don't worry about it I don't do
it anymore... but thanks for your concern
Message number 1986
Blueeyed girl 42at least criticizeS me in the nicest
possible way and I thank you for that,,, truly,,,!
This was before I started messaging in the forums
and everyone sees
that I have a bad attitude.
Message number 2033 IiDAW 3 , does in fact say exactly
what I meant to say but he does it in a little nicer than me,,,
but not much! When he says that 14 e-mails were sent out,,,
He had zero replies,,, and nine were READ /immediately deleted,,,
This is typical,,,
And then there is message number 2003
A SydneMALE,,, who wants to slit his wrists after reading
my ranting in the forumS...
My friend, 90% of the people let slit their wrists are only
looking for attention it is a slow and tedious process to
say the least and most people back out before what
they thought they want it actually happens...
However I would suggest if you have thoughts of suicide
that you seek professional help,,, especially if something
as mundane as my ranting about people being able to
speak the truth upset you so much,,,
It is my belief you have bigger issues than I do
my friend,,,
The following is a typical personalized e-mail that I
have sent out to 90 different individuals as I said
before I started writing in the forums so no one
actually knew what a bad attitude I had, including myself,,,
Because after spending 70 hours or so writing e-mails
and receiving 45 seconds worth of replies what else can
one come to the conclusion that people just in general
self-centered lying creatures of habit,,,
Both men and women!
Yes I have a poor attitude, but it comes from being in
the construction business for 30 years and listening
to 95% of my customers customers lying nonsense as to
how simple the job is, as well as listening to my mEn telling
me why on any given day they can't perform a simple functio
in an eight hour work DAY.. Because they forgot their hammer
at home or or some other crap like that...
The following is the e-mail I sent out the one woman,,,
But there were 90 or so such e-mails,
With only approximately 3 replies..
So if you want to critique my e-mail and my style of
writing read the following and then tell me what is
wrong with what I am doing and perhaps I will try that...
As I said the first e-mail was rather long and
disjointed I would agree, but I don't believe this one is.
Five weeks ago, which was in fact read and delete it,
without a reply!
People suck, people LIE, and people are selfish...
That is the bottom line and I am sticking to it!
MY EMAIL..TO A SO CALLED LADY,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
It appears that you're intelligent enough to make
a living by being in business for yourself which in
and of itself is quite an accomplishment.
Congratulations with that, I myself been have also
been doing it for 30 years it's not that easy!
It also appears that the possibility exists that you
are looking for a long-term relationship and possibly
children and I also looking for that as well which would
be the reason that I sent to this e-mail in the first place.
By the way my name is Michael, and I live in Key Largo
Florida a.k.a. the Florida Keys
The possibility exists that you are a traditional or
tend to be traditionally orientated towards your in
Asian culture and that would help a great deal because
many of the cultures from that part of the world have
some really nice characteristics.
In fact I spent three years in a Zen Buddhist monastery
and although you might not see that from the way I speak
and live a clean and have a healthy life and am looking for
someone that shares the same values.
I enjoy a creative endeavors of of any nature as creativity
within oneself allows something special to happen during
the creative process itself. That is the type of person that
I would be very interested in meeting.
I have a little landscaping business down here in the Florida
Keys and I have been here for 14 years and am now quite
serious about finding a lady of substance. Which is totally
impractical down here in the keys because of the rampant
drug and alcohol use. So I joined up on this dating site to see
if quite possibly there would be anyone in a relatively close
distance that I could share some time with to see if a long-term
relationship is possible. thus far it has proven to be nothing
more than a waste of time but every few days I send out
an e-mail to someone that has the potential even if the
possibilities are small I keep the possibility open.
Although I own a landscaping business I have a pretty
good education and lived in New York as most of my
life and well-traveled in the United States only and
have several federal and state licenses and I say this
so you don't think I am just another happy-go-lucky
alcoholic from the Florida Keys putting the moves on
you. In fact I am not I do not drink alcohol or consume
drugs of any nature and it has been this way for 20 years
so that will never be an issue.
I know it is a long-distance but perhaps we can meet
someplace midway after a few e-mails and possibly
some telephone conversations.
I have seen that you are on the website for approximately
the same time that I have been here and the fact that we are
both still on this site leads me to believe that neither one of
us have found what we are looking for so I would be willing
if you were to at least find out if this is a possibility.
Looking for a woman that is dynamic in nature and has the
ability to adapt and someone that is not afraid to get our
hands dirty at the end of the day cleaning the boat or helping
and the are doing the gardening and of course in return I will
fix your car have nice conversations with you about the future
and be your best friend.
If you're done playing the silly dating game and are truly
looking for a serious relationship and we are both looking
for the same thing.
And although it appears when you read my blogs and most
people do that I am amount chauvinist pig remember everyone
has a point of view and for the most part except for for a few lovely
women that I had in my life this is what I see reality to be
in today's world.
The men are looking for sex and the women are looking
for money. This is not to say that everyone is the same
because there is that one person and a hundred that is
completely normal or as close to normal as normal can be
that any other person could be compatible with and that is
the person I am looking for.
I will give you my website which is used for my advertising
and if in fact you return my e-mails and would like to know
more about me I would be more than willing to open up a
dialogue to find out more about you as well.
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All replies are welcome, both negative and positive as
that is your prerogative, and at this point I read
the forums for entertainment purposes more than
anything else but I would be more than willing to
learn something new today,
THE keyzguy369 | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 7:01:08 AM | curlyboop
I tryed to email you but am out of your age bracket, to tell you the folllowing...
You are the picture of health and seem well rounded in your likes of things in general.
Any one who does not return your emails, is simply not serious about dating,which was my point in each and every forum I particapated in.
Thank you for comfirming my thoughts,,, and it cant be your looks...lol | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 7:16:47 AM | It absoluately is just as hard for woman. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Take new pictures, different pictures. Try to show a differnet side of you personality in your profile. Most of us think positive and get rid of the negative. Laws of attraction apply. I read all of your threads and the negative over tone is in all of them and I am sure you didn't realize this. You know I get emails from men that are over board positive and I get some that are so rude and negative that I shudder and hide my profile for a while. I have been hidden more than visible because of reactions. I get porn or very Godly men. Who knows why each time. It is a humbling experience for men and woman.
Be as open and tollerant as you can. Be open minded enought to explore someone that at first glance you might not. Sometimes a person just like you works best yet explore the complete opposite and find a new excitement or go for the very comfortable mate. Step outside of your box and it just might be the ticket for you.
Good Luck and please pratcie the up side of things. Be happy! Not everything works. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 7:26:05 AM | That is not fair you. If you have a natural endoument it is part of you. I do not show clevege and yet you can tell I am busty and out of that I got mega porn emails. So, I just went invisible. Some men like small busted women and some like the ones endowed with $$$$ or the mother natures gifts. Stop being so judgemental.
Now, if the woman has ten pictures and all are pravacoductive... well then move on or not. She would be making a statement. Clevage alone is not a reason to bash us woman. To some men as well over 20 miles is out and I have had some say 50 miles is just making sure you leave earlier... thinking time as you drive. Each sex seems to think it is worse on them. I think it is hard for all of us. Again, we just need to be more open and tolerante and willing to step outside of our comfort zone or out of the box. Some have little time and it does make a difference or they are lazy or just broke and gas is dictating the travel distance. Easy up and chill out. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 7:35:48 AM | Guys, I know you don't message every woman you come across on POF nor do you ask every woman you meet out on a date. You have standards, deal-breakers or whatever you want to call them.
This is true. But I also wouldn't automatically reject a woman just because she is somewhat different than my ideal type or because she has a mediocre photo of herself. I would have some phone / email or conversations or maybe go out with her 1-2 times to see if there is a connection. Maybe I could find something about her that is appealing to me. Maybe she could look better in person that she does in a photo. If there is no connection, then we could respectfully go our separate ways. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 7:44:06 AM | Why is everyone so critical. We just need to find our match or our equal.
Some men want a show piece, some want a motherly type, sex pot, girl next door, someone to go run with him, additional salary etc.
Some woman want a boy toy, a friend, additonal salary, provider, fun guy, older guy, younger guy, same energy level.
I doubt that very many women are actually out for any mans money. We have to live with this man. No amount of money makes up for a jerk. So, guys look a little deeper. If we never lived in a trailer we most likely are not going to now. We look for our equal in social status. Don't men do the same thing.? A man that makes good money usually is looking for a woman that he can take to the company function and fit into his life style. That is exactly what we are all doing. (with the except on the one gold digger-man or woman and Yes, gold digger can be a man as well). I know men that don't want their woman to work. They want the one that is available for him always or the really down to earth man that wants the traditional girl next door that is home bare foot and pg... even as he ages.
Start looking for the positive first. What can we each live with and what is a deal breaker?
Look at this for what it is. We are on here for a purpose.... pretend it is an interview. The interview goes well.......take a chance and live in the real time. :) | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 7:46:43 AM |
It sucks for guys, plain and simple. And dont come and tell me that its the same for women too because that is bull sh it.
It is the same for women, well it is in my case!
I may view a mans profile but dont make contact because I will never assume someone would like me in that way. I get loads who look but dont touch. None of us are going to appeal to everyone on here. That would just be silly!
Its not fair to put all of us women in that category because there are some gooduns out there.
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Posted: 7/8/2008 8:00:52 AM | keyzguy369: I tried to email you to say thanks but I got an on screen message saying that I'm not what you are looking for. Boy, that is some mean message, POF. Anyway, I appreciate your kind words.
Anyway, it does no good to speculate why a person has rejected you. It only makes you feel bad. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 8:48:22 AM | curlyboop,
Im not sure what message you got that said u could not contact me. if in fact I read the post right..
I checked my parameters in the profile and you are certainly with in them.
Yes, it was a mean message, and I will admit that i have few friends because of the way i think, but they are true friends and see a side of me that few will ever have the pleasure of knowing, because few get past the basics, which are obviously stated in my posts...
For the one lady that does, she will be treated with nothing but dignity, and respect, but that comes with trust and somthing much deeper than words.
Perhaps, I will meet some one like your profile depicts, one day, and explain that, to the people in the forums, as well...or better yet, have her tell of my other , much kinder nature, that which is only shared with NICE PEOPLE...that which, not only can dicern the truth, but live thier lives HONORABLE, mannor.
That is the only way to live a life, as far as, far as I am able to see...
And for those of you who cant make the seperation, of honorable and nice, from my very negative posts, it might be because you are seeing a much bigger picture.
Just because im not nice on my posts and i belive that I am speaking the truth, in no way means i am not cabable of being kind.
They are my opinions based on many real life experiances...
And others, many others feel the same way, on this thread but are just not as rude as I am..
Thats ok too, how ever it does not diminish the truth, it only says it in a kinder method...!
In the end they say the same thing, and it still makes no difference..
The truth is that we, as a whole, want people to be nice to us when they are telling us lies...
Then we say, yes, they were lieing, but they are a nice person..
Just like politions and lawyers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
So iI ask,,,?
What is the difference?
A LIE IS A LIE...! AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE,,,
CURLYBOOP...
TY for your kind reply | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 12:18:21 PM | I'm sorry, I'm cracking up when I read what most of you have written on here.
Women do not want a lap dog: someone to treat them like a princess. Yes, women want personality over looks.
The problem for most guys, especially some posting specifically on this post, is they don't know how to build attraction!
A line is a line is a line. You don't build attraction with the same schtick, but guys roll through this site with a different set of expectations than women, and most don't understand or know this. The guys are looking for the prettiest women. They have been socially conditioned to act a certain way. THey think that by tellign a woman how pretty she is, that she will be flattered and talk to them, when in fact, most attractive women have heard that drivel all their lives. They are, in fact, looking for someone to hold a conversation, who doesn't "treat them like a princess."
A lot of men on here assume that if they impress her, she's going to like them, or if they do nice favors, she'll see how they may treat her in a relationship and like them back. (Has anyoen really ever sent a rose on this thing?! HAHAHA!) Men on here also think that if they come straight out and tell a woman they like her, she'll go out with them.
*SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH*
It's this social conditioning that's f*cking it up for you, guys! None of that crap *causes* her to like you! By trying to impress, you're lowering your social value in her eyes, because she sees your need to try to impress because she's more attractive than you are.
Favors tend to tell a woman you're placign her on a pedestal just like every other dude out there and you aren't a challenge. And, yes, women LOVE a challenge!
Also, when was the last time a woman you weren't interested in told you she wanted you? It didn't affect you one bit, did it?
Anyways, your personality really ismore important to a woman because it indicates your social value.
Feel free to call BS on what I wrote. There are a ton of pick-up artists out there that publish books on the same thing, but each one is really just a different slant on the same thing. It's futile if you continue to do the same thing over and over with the same result so learn, adjust, and truly learn to like who you are. It's all in the fine details.
So is it harder for men on here to meet a good person? I would have to emphatically say no. | |
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