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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 4:27:54 PM |
What you don't seem to understand is that just because a man is tall does not make him a less moral person then a short man.
You again missed the point.
While it is true that just because a man is tall does not make him less of a moral person than a short man; it is also true that just because a man is short does not make him less of a moral person than a tall man. In point of fact, when selected at random, short men and tall men are probably equally moral. But yet, tall men have many more options with women than short men. THAT is why tall men are more likely to cheat.
The studies are demonstrating tendencies and likelihoods and you are talking about a single individual. If you take a group of 1,000 tall men and a group of 1,000 short men, lot's of generalizations can be made. One obvious one is that the members of the tall group are more likely to cheat on their women, than the members of the short group. This can be shown empirically, and so I don't see why you find it so controversial.
So, a random tall man is more likely to cheat than a random short man. Can you find a tall man who is less likely to cheat than a short man?...Of course...but finding him will be more difficult than finding a short man who is less likely to cheat. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 4:29:20 PM | I don't mind short men as long as they are slightly taller than I am. I'm 5'4" and have always found short stocky men to be very attractive.  | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 4:31:03 PM |
I dont know why annikat is getting that much attention. granted, she is hot, seems ****y and talks a lot of smack, but c'mon, stop it already. its not like there arent any other hot women in the world.
Same reason you just did, they mention her name. And not granted, her being attractive is your own opinion, I don't find her attractive. I have my own preferences of what facial features I find attractive as well as physically.
at least some of the crap (however inaccurate) she said was kind of funny. ppl get offended too easily
Why is it that when she says something its her opinion and its funny. But when people reply to what she says, even though funny, its only because they were offended easily? Don't other people have opinions too? I mean, what you said in your post is also an opinion is it not?
bout the penis subject: it would make more sense that a taller man would have a bigger one assuming everything is proportional
You'd think that wouldn't you
but as with breasts, bigger is better most of the time.
Nope.
also, short guys or avg height guys, please tell me you wouldnt like to be a few inches taller
Nope, my height has never bothered me. I don't have trouble getting dates and I've been in great relationships.  | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 4:35:29 PM |
The studies are demonstrating tende...
Again with the damn studies! There so many studies and researches, magazines, papers, media telling people what to think. Skinny is right, average is wrong. Tall is proper, ripped bodies is correct, buy the latest product thats going to help you achieve the body you've always wanted. Kids taking steroids in school to become shredded. When does it all stop?
Remember back in the day when doctors would promote smoking and that drinking milk wasn't good for you? | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 4:35:33 PM |
some of the shorter guys in here are claiming that taller guys have more affairs and treat girls like crap, etc. i cant see any of this being true. even if it were true, its not going to stop women from dating them. theyll just say "ok that tall guy was a-hole, im going to find a good tall guy now."
Exactly.
I don't see why some tall guys and women are getting all offended by this obvious truth. Tall guys have more options than short guys, so of course they are more likely to cheat. But that's not going to make women stop desiring tall men. The cheating is a symptom of the disease, not a cause of it. Women believe that they pay a small price being cheated on than to be faithful to a man whom they consider "inferior".
The only thing I disagree with is the idea that "Oh, I'll just find a 'good' tall guy now". Remember, the "good" tall guys do not cheat. And because they are in high demand, the masses of women who want them will have to wait their turn. However, the "bad' tall men will take several women at a time, and so the masses of women will have to wait less time in line for them. That's why the "bad" tall men are more successful than the "good" tall men. Granted, both the "good" and "bad" tall men are more successful with women than the "good" and "bad" short man.
about the penis subject: it would make more sense that a taller man would have a bigger one assuming everything is proportional. guys if your penis length is average or bigger AND you know what you are doing in bed, you should be ok. but as with breasts, bigger is better most of the time. however, you dont need a telephone pole to satisfy a woman.
By this logic, tall women should have the biggest breasts....right? If sex specific physical characteristics are suppose to be proportional to height, then we should see very short women usually walking around with tiny breasts and very tall women should always have "gozangas"!  | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 4:37:23 PM | | Well I'm no giant, but in heels I'm about 5'8" so any guy that's shorter than me in heels makes me feel awkward. I like a guy to be at least 6'. I have dated short guys though. I guess I have to ask the question then...Why don't guys like "big" girls? | |
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jurupa
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Joined: 2/12/2008
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 4:40:57 PM |
but you don't see it very often and once in a while you will see a hot chick with a fat, balding short guy , but it doesn't happen very often. It certainly does not happen every day. I see this pretty much all the time, but then where I live there is money so go figure.
It may be politically incorrect to say , but like it or not, believe it or not there are leagues in dating and relationships and mostly people don't cross those leagues to go up a few or down a few. Socially there are leagues as well. How often do you see a corporate lawyer dating a clerk at the local convenience store? Or a janitor dating a plastic surgeon. Women for the most part try to always to marry up from their own economic and social class all the time.
Jonathan Doeman - Are you delusional or something man? I am just asking because what you spouting out in your posts is far from the truth to say the least. You seem to think just because the guy is tall he has more to pick from. You seriously need to reconsider that my friend. Our height is just a selling point, not the complete package like you seem to want to make it as. Jonathan you are merely grasping for straws to back up your flawed argument, just give it up already. You wonder why women don't go for short guys and this post shows why as the short guys whine and complain about "all" of the tall guys getting the women. And what woman wants to go out with a whiner? | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 4:42:02 PM |
By this logic, tall women should have the biggest breasts....right? If sex specific physical characteristics are suppose to be proportional to height, then we should see very short women usually walking around with tiny breasts and very tall women should always have "gozangas"
Agreed, it has nothing to do with how tall you are. I've dated girls that were with guys who were 6'2 and I was bigger than they were at 5'7.
Why don't guys like "big" girls
Probably why girls like dating taller guys, its personal preference.
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 4:44:46 PM |
You wonder why women don't go for short guys and this post shows why as the short guys whine and complain about "all" of the tall guys getting the women. And what woman wants to go out with a whiner
I have yet to whine and complain about all the tall guys getting the women. Please don't over generalize  | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 4:44:57 PM | I cannot believe that so many women hate short guys and even refer to us as inferior. None of us chose to be short and if there were a form of surgery that would bring us to at least the minimum of 5'8" in height, most of us would jump at the opportunity. I is depressing getting rejected by nearly 100% of women based on height alone! Just look at women's height preferences on their profiles and see the less then 1% of women who have a preference lesser than 5'8". If you're short, you're pretty much screwed and there is little you can do to find happiness. I personally think it's shallow and can't believe almost all women won't consider a man who isn't fortunate enough to be the minimum 5'8"! How would you feel if almost all men had a minimum bust size and you weren't fortunate enough to meet the minimum size for 99.9% of men? Personally I think this would be just as wrong as 99.9% of women having a minimum preference of 5'8" and rejecting the rest of us because we are not "real men" as one poster stated.  | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 4:47:59 PM | I don't like to resort to personal attacks, but annikat....you make me embarrassed to be the same gender as you are.........
It's no wonder men think that all women are shallow, pampered ****es......... | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 4:48:46 PM | ^^^^^^^
Frankly I couldnt care less what your height preferences are but THANK YOU sane women on POF do exsist there is still hope!
"What i know about you is what any of us knows about the other person on here and that is your posting history, and from what i read in your posting history then yes you are a negative and unhappy person based on your posting history. Whether you are here for dating or not i hardly think these negative and vicious views just go away out there in the real world."
You clearly have way too much time on your hands if you feel the need to be constantly checking my posting history. People have beliefs and opinions. By your logic I have opinions and beliefs that differ from yours so that makes me a vicious negative unhappy person. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a sociopath get that through your head. I don't know you well enough to make any big judgments but perhaps you need to take a good look at yourself.
"Yeah but so are you. So are we all at one time or another."
I'm not the one who drew first blood here, how do you think allies beat the axis powers by being nice? how do you think the americans got the japanese to back off during WW2 by being nice? hey if someone is being a jerk to you you have every justification to be a jerk to them back.
"What? Where do i say i refuse to date a man who is less then 6'2? I in fact very clearly said that even a inch or two shorter would be ok with me . Not ideal but i would be fine with it if there was real love and attraction. "
It doesn't matter what your dating preferences are. The fact that you agree with her heigtist views doesn't make you any less of a bigot. | |
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RoRo1
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Joined: 12/16/2007
Msg: 988 | |
| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 4:59:25 PM | its because some of the guys in here are not writing back funny shit, they sound whiney (sp?). other guys are either funny and/or have something interesting to say
"assuming everyting is proportional" - u have to ASSUME to get to it.
i can bet less than 20% of guys prefer a flat chested women. if u dont believe that, ask 10 of your friends.
my height doesnt bother me either, but i wouldnt mind being taller. my pay check is good, but i wouldnt mind if had an extra 0 on it. and my car is ok, but i wouldnt mind driving a bentley either. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 5:33:50 PM |
Jonathan Doeman - Are you delusional or something man? I am just asking because what you spouting out in your posts is far from the truth to say the least. You seem to think just because the guy is tall he has more to pick from. You seriously need to reconsider that my friend. Our height is just a selling point, not the complete package like you seem to want to make it as. Jonathan you are merely grasping for straws to back up your flawed argument, just give it up already. You wonder why women don't go for short guys and this post shows why as the short guys whine and complain about "all" of the tall guys getting the women. And what woman wants to go out with a whiner?
1) I am not a short guy....so check your facts before you start bashing them based on my personal postings.
2) Why are you getting bent out of shape over the truth? You say that being tall does not mean that you have more women to pick from, but you show no evidence about how this can be true. 9 out of 10 women on this thread have said that they like tall men and not short men. But then you come and say that tall men do not have more choices than short men? Where is your evidence? | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 5:36:11 PM | Zain could you stop posturing for a moment and tell me how i agree with annika's views. I doubt annika would date anyone shorter then 6feet tall. Where have i said anything like that? By all means please point out where i said that?
Oh and two wrongs don't make a right. You can always learn to turn the other cheek. Omg i can't believe you are comparing some stupid little fight on a forum to a war. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 5:40:39 PM |
my height doesnt bother me either, but i wouldnt mind being taller. my pay check is good, but i wouldnt mind if had an extra 0 on it. and my car is ok, but i wouldnt mind driving a bentley either.
Fair enough. But the ONLY reason that I can think of to want to be taller is to attract MORE women. I am 5'11" and I am satisfied with my height. I don't want to be taller because being taller is a pain (you can't fit in tight places, you can't blend into the crowd, and your joints start hurting in old age). However, I'm not stupid, and I know that I have MANY more options with women because I am "tallish" (though I don't really think of myself as tall). And the only reason for me to want to be even taller is so that I can attract a greater number of women.
While this reason may be enough...it does not prove that being tall is the "universal good" that you claim it is.
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 5:50:54 PM | Rachelle,
First you say this:
"I think the whole reason you fight so much with annika is that she is telling the truth in much of what she say. Now she may not be so nice in how she says things, but it doesn't make it any less true."
Then you say:
"Zain could you stop posturing for a moment and tell me how i agree with annika's views"
I rest my case.
"Oh and two wrongs don't make a right. You can always learn to turn the other cheek. Omg i can't believe you are comparing some stupid little fight on a forum to a war. "
Diplomacy very rarely works with bullies and bigots. So you have no choice but to shoot back if by turning the other cheek you mean "submit" sorry but that won't happen. a conflict and a war are one in the same it's a valid comparison. The scale of the fight is irrelevant it's still a conflict. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 6:12:56 PM | You really shouldn't of chopped that part of my post up. You claim i agree with annika's heightist views. Now where do i say i will not date someone unless they are tall? You are only concerned with furthering your own agenda instead of showing me where i have said i wont date someone unless they are tall.
<div class='quote'>I doubt annika would date anyone shorter then 6feet tall. Where have i said anything like that? By all means please point out where i said that?
Next time quote the whole thing instead of cutting and pasting something to make it look like something different.
Ughh forget it i changed my mind. I am done trying to talk sense here. All you guys want to hear is that women are evil and men especially short men are angels on earth. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 6:17:42 PM | | What about us tall guys giving a short girl a chance? Being 6'8" and in shape I find that I'm able to attend to any eventuality. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 6:48:25 PM | Wow, is the first thing that comes to mind as I am perusing the Forums and come across this thread, and I have to admit never did I even realize that height was such a big issue to people as much as they make it here. Like honestly people, get a grip! I have dated short women, tall women, in between women, and generally speaking women do want a man taller then her from my experience. Good for her, because I'm sure she's Ms. Perfect herself. Personally I find women who are my height or even an inch shorter or taller works perfect for me, with or without heels doesn't matter. Then again I am a whopping 5'9 myself, and sure it would definitely be a little weird dating someone over 6 feet, especially when they like to wear heels.
I'll let everyone in one of my personal secrets, and thats all in the footwear! I have dated many a tall women who I have met out and about and I would wear shoes which made me few inches taller because of special insoles which were so low key and non-platform you couldn't tell they were there. Pulling it off though with some fashion flare and the right cut jeans and no way anyone could tell. If you are slim and fit, then this look works to elongate your legs and looks more natural, as with most people whether 5'6 or 6' the torso is generally similar in size. Fair enough really, considering that women have makeup, high heels and now plenty of cosmetic surgery to alter their appearance. Did it make a difference then when I wore normal footwear and stood only 5'9 then when I was standing almost at 6'? Not a damn difference from what I noticed, but then again who knows!
But really thats not the most important thing.
The real secret? Confidence. Alot counts for how you carry yourself and the confidence you exude in your actions, which supercedes height in any given social or professional environment. Your either a person that commands respect or you don't. Remember, some of the most infamous faces in Hollywood fall under the 5'10 height bracket, Sly Stallone(5'7) and Al Pacino(5'6 - anyone remember Scarface?) definitely come to mind, and I don't see how they are any less manlier then someone taller, like Arnold Schwarzenegger for example. In fact I have seen plenty of shorter men literally feed taller guys their ass to them on a plate, especially when I was younger. The toughest guys I have ever known in my life were below 5'10, and true enough the claim that the taller they are, the harder they fall, which is absolutely correct if we are talking raw survival taking into account speed and quickness, which are far more important.
In my experience, being tall definitely does not make the man so to speak, but admitted that it does give him an advantage. But none so advantageous that a shorter man could not compete in the same league, I mean some of the claims here are ridiculous so I really want to share my thoughts. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 7:05:09 PM |
mtonkin222 wrote: I cannot believe that so many women hate short guys and even refer to us as inferior. None of us chose to be short and if there were a form of surgery that would bring us to at least the minimum of 5'8" in height, most of us would jump at the opportunity. I is depressing getting rejected by nearly 100% of women based on height alone! Just look at women's height preferences on their profiles and see the less then 1% of women who have a preference lesser than 5'8". If you're short, you're pretty much screwed and there is little you can do to find happiness. I personally think it's shallow and can't believe almost all women won't consider a man who isn't fortunate enough to be the minimum 5'8"! How would you feel if almost all men had a minimum bust size and you weren't fortunate enough to meet the minimum size for 99.9% of men? Personally I think this would be just as wrong as 99.9% of women having a minimum preference of 5'8" and rejecting the rest of us because we are not "real men" as one poster stated.
There is a form of surgery which will stretch the lower leg bones over the course of a year. That procedure was created in Russia and used a lot in China. Someone posting on another topic said the procedure was even available here. The drawbacks: it's invasive and you have to be laid out for a year.
5'8"? You're lucky. Here the requirement is at least 5'10".
Happiness ultimately comes from within. There are tons of 'beautiful' people in marriages and people with loads of money who really are not happy.
If you've never travelled overseas, you might want to consider that. There are several companies which specialize in 'single gentlemen's romance tours' to places in Latin America, Asia, and Russia. I prefer Latin America because I've always had a thing for Latin women, but it would be less expensive than going to Asia or Russia. Plus, if you marry a Latin woman, the culture shock for her won't be as bad as it would be for an Asian (though that's changing) or a Russian. But don't go just to find a girlfriend or wife. Go to meet people and have fun. | |
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jurupa
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Joined: 2/12/2008
Msg: 997 | |
| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 8:05:40 PM |
1) I am not a short guy....so check your facts before you start bashing them based on my personal postings. I did not call you short. Re-read what I said again. As I said the short guys are whining and complaining about the women wanting tall guys. And what woman wants to date a guy that is going to whine about being short and how all the tall guys supposally get the women? Quiet frankly Jonathan your average height for all I care.
2) Why are you getting bent out of shape over the truth? You say that being tall does not mean that you have more women to pick from, but you show no evidence about how this can be true. 9 out of 10 women on this thread have said that they like tall men and not short men. But then you come and say that tall men do not have more choices than short men? Where is your evidence? First off I am not getting bent out of shape over your version of the truth. Because your "truth" is a theory that is only based upon a bunch of women saying that they want a tall guy and logic. If your truth was true then I would not be on an online dating site as I would have a line of girls in the real world that wanted to date me. But seeing that there is no line and I am on an online dating site, kinda disproves your truth doesn't it? Let me further disprove it by giving examples you ask for. Out of all 4 dating sites I am on, I have gotten a grand total of 3 e-mails/messages. And in the 10 or so e-mails/messages I have sent out, none of them have been replied to. But lets go to real life. For about every 100 looks I get from women, about 1 to 5 will be flirtatious. Great odds uh? And those are my personal examples. So tell me again where are the flocks of women that I am suppose to have the pickings of?
Jonathan being tall helps butits a selling point not the complete package. The woman still has to be attracted to the guys other physical traits, as well as his personality. And if the other things are not there, it doesn't matter how tall the guy is she is not going to be interested in him. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 8:26:32 PM | | Jurupa is right. My older brother (6'1") has the personality to go along with his height. My younger brother is 6'5" and he wasn't so popular in high school. In fact, he didn't even finish high school, but he's a hard worker and makes good money. I'm 5'7" and even though I wasn't super popular in high school, I did have a few girlfriends and other girls who liked me. So even though it doesn't hurt to be tall, it's not the only thing. I wonder how many women would go out with the Governator of California if they were looking for stimulating conversation. | |
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| I know the OP said ladies, but...
Posted: 4/1/2008 9:13:47 PM | I had to put my 2 cents in.
The girl I'm seeing now would search for guys with no kids - who were over 5'9".
I have 3 kids (well 2 are away at university) and I'm 5'6" lol
So - she never saw me in her searches.
I made her laugh though. And
I'm for sure the very confident type.
And - well - there's another thing - but I won't say it here:)
So just goes to show you.... you never know!
If you'd have asked her - she'd probably have told you a higher
height requirement than she ended up with. I've never care about my height or how girls think about it. Like me - don't like me - matters not to me. Height is only one little part of chemistry - I guarantee you. And I'venever worn those kooky lift dealies either - but I think that's a valid option for guys as I've notied girls have no qualms about wearing - er - "enhancers" ?? Which make them look great btw - and I have no problems with that at all. Anyways - I think everyone should stop worrying about such a "little" detail (I kill me) and worry more about being nice to people etc. . . | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/1/2008 9:28:28 PM | "You really shouldn't of chopped that part of my post up. You claim i agree with annika's heightist views. Now where do i say i will not date someone unless they are tall? You are only concerned with furthering your own agenda instead of showing me where i have said i wont date someone unless they are tall.
I chopped it up because whether you and her share the same dating preferences wasn't the point I was trying to make. you agreed with her views. I just showed you where you agreed with her. That was YOUR quote you said what she saying was "mostly" true so how are you not agreeing with her? I don't care whether you date short men or not that wasn't the point.
Next time quote the whole thing instead of cutting and pasting something to make it look like something different."
I did read it but you asked me where to show you where you agreed with annika's views and I provided evidence for that. I didn't have to change anything that's what it said that's what YOU said.
"Ughh forget it i changed my mind. I am done trying to talk sense here. All you guys want to hear is that women are evil and men especially short men are angels on earth. "
you call that talking sense? | |
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