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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/2/2008 2:10:59 PM | What I do not understand is a woman 4'11 or less only wanting to date a guy 6'0" or better?
Better?
Did you mean to say "better" or did you mean to say "taller"; or do you not see the distinction?
I think you've answered your own question. If you, as a short man, believe that shorter men equals inferior. Then what chance does a short woman have? She will believe the same thing, and why shouldn't she want the tallest ("better") man she can find?
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/2/2008 2:41:09 PM | | Sorry--I am the woman--and I have many female friends and we get it ALL the time-thats been my experience. I have been told to my face I am beautiful and If I promise to lose ten pounds that he would date me--makes me crazy--but very true--That is the number 1 questions I get asked when guys e-mail me--followed closely by my breast size. Trust me--you are not getting e-mails from the guys | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/2/2008 3:26:03 PM | Better?
yes I meant taller but better is a coloquialism Johnathan Doeman if yyou did not know . Better describes the higher attribute number on a statistics chart 9i.e. Better in this case means taller).
No I did not answer my own question. Infact I was agreeing with you and then you turn around and stab me in the back. ASSHOLE.
The point I was making is that I do not feel inferir at all. And I will go further and say in some ways I am superior ( not in all ways. I can say this without fear of contradiction because we all have gifts and curses. It don't mater how tall someone is, we all have things going for us that we can use asa selling point.
The reason I mentioned the 4'11 person is I was using an example of extremes. Why should someone reject such a large number of people over such a silly thing. Sure we all have prefferences to what we find atractive. I think many starlets in hollywood are quite hot ( so does a majority of men) but I am not chasing them.
Sorry--I am the woman--and I have many female friends and we get it ALL the time-thats been my experience. I have been told to my face I am beautiful and If I promise to lose ten pounds that he would date me--makes me crazy--but very true--That is the number 1 questions I get asked when guys e-mail me--followed closely by my breast size. Trust me--you are not getting e-mails from the guys
you are talking to the wrong guys then. I am not so shallow as to say something so disgusting as you need to drop a few pounds inorder to be my ideal. Most men I know would never do that either. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/2/2008 3:45:14 PM |
Are you serious? You think that most men would refuse to date a woman who is 10 pounds overweight? Not likely. In fact, most men are quite reasonable in their preferences as far as weight.
I've checked out of curiosity (and no, I'm not gay). I couldn't find one guy with a concrete weight requirement, but about 50% of women have a concrete height requirement. And often times, that height requirement is as tall as or even taller than average height.
I doubt most men have weight requirements that rule out the majority of women, though women often have height requirements that rule out the majority of men. And even if some men did have weight requirements; those women who were not in the range could always just lose weight. It's not the same thing at all.
Yet if a guy were to say he wouldn't date an over weight person, the guy would be called superficial, judgmental and get the riot act! Yet, when women say they only want to date taller people, it's ok because it preference and they feel safer. Double standard.
I personally like a bit of meat on em bones, but still be able to be active and not self conscious about how they look. I'm not into bone racks with bulimia. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/2/2008 5:25:59 PM |
yes I meant taller but better is a coloquialism Johnathan Doeman if yyou did not know . Better describes the higher attribute number on a statistics chart 9i.e. Better in this case means taller).
No I did not answer my own question. Infact I was agreeing with you and then you turn around and stab me in the back. ***hole.
I calls 'em like I sees 'em.
I have no allies and take no prisoners....i merely state my point of view and move on.
And perhaps I went a little overboard in my analysis; but I reject the idea that 'better' was an innocent colloquialism. You could have said "six foot tall or taller", "six foot tall or more", or "at least six foot tall". But instead you went with six foot tall....or better?
I'm not saying that you have a problem with your height. I am saying that the yoke of our culture burdens us all, and that a heightist mindset is hard to discard. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/2/2008 6:55:12 PM |
So we see a short man and assume that he is inferior. If he out preforms our expectations, we do not abandon our long-held beliefs that shorter people are inadequate. Instead, we filter that information and couch it in terms of the shorter man having some sort of character defect. A "Napoleon Complex".
Thus, a stereotype is born.
Yep...kinda ironic, isn't it. If we're not confident, we're insecure-- and that's not attractive. But if we ARE confident, we have a Napoleon Complex-- and that's not attractive either. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/2/2008 7:22:45 PM | Sorry--I am the woman--and I have many female friends and we get it ALL the time-thats been my experience. I have been told to my face I am beautiful and If I promise to lose ten pounds that he would date me--makes me crazy--but very true--That is the number 1 questions I get asked when guys e-mail me--followed closely by my breast size. Trust me--you are not getting e-mails from the guys
I know several women who are average or slightly overweight and they have no problems getting dates. I also know many men who have dated or are willing to date average to slightly overweight women. Maybe you simply have bad luck. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/2/2008 8:02:15 PM | brokenheartsunite wrote:
***** I have been told to my face I am beautiful and If I promise to lose ten pounds that he would date me *****
I've gone on dates where men have told me I was fat or too big for them. Geez. Most men see me as average and have told me I was beautiful. I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder.
I agree with you about the size preference of most men. One night I had a friend over who is about 30 overweight. She was looking through all the personals and every single one she opened wanted "slim, athletic, thin, average." That leaves out most American women because I think the average woman in this country is now a size 14. Seems most men are looking for the cookie cutter woman... size 8 or less. Where does that leave the rest of us who have so much to give... can certainly lose weight... but are overlooked because of our size?
Truthfully, we're human. We're all going to have preferences... things we find attractive and things we don't. We can't make anyone find us to their liking. All we can hope for is that our imperfections are perfect for someone who we feel the same way about.
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/2/2008 8:04:29 PM | I agree with you about the size preference of most men. One night I had a friend over who is about 30 overweight. She was looking through all the personals and every single one she opened wanted "slim, athletic, thin, average." That leaves out most American women because I think the average woman in this country is now a size 14.
Sharzi, I think you're very striking, esp. for your age....at any rate, tot he quote above...with the convenience of every fastfood joint on the corner, we can thank Micky D's and eating-out for that. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/2/2008 8:29:26 PM | She was looking through all the personals and every single one she opened wanted "slim, athletic, thin, average."
Maybe many men do prefer women who are thin, fit, or average, but there are also plenty of men who would date overweight women. Some men have rejected me because I was "too thin" for them and they wanted a larger woman. I have a friend who is about 10-20 lbs overweight she gets plenty of attention from men. I have seen a fair amount of couples where the woman is overweight. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/2/2008 8:41:37 PM |
http://www.shortsupport.org/News/0106.html
"In the 1960s and 1970s, Thomas Gregor, an anthropologist at America's Vanderbilt University, lived among the Mehinaku, a tropical forest people of central Brazil who were amazed by such new-fangled gadgets as spectacles....By many measures--wealth, chieftainship, frequency of participation in rituals--tall men dominate in tribal life. They hog the reproductive opportunities, too. Mr Gregor looked at the number of girlfriends of Mehi-naku men of varying heights. He found a pattern: the taller the man, the more girl-friends he had. As he explained, "the three tallest men had as many affairs as the seven shortest men, even though their average estimated ages were identical." One, this was done over 30 years ago and way out dated. Two your trying to apply one's cultural to a totally different cultural. Last I check females in the US in general did not accept socially males with multiple partners. The only group that does is hardcore Latter-day Saint population in Utah. But if you check the laws of marriage, most states make it illegal to be married to more than one female at a time.
It's sort of like saying that. But the only difference is that men and women are designed differently. Men are designed to spread their seed and women are designed to partner with the man who she thinks is best able to provide her with resources and advantageous genes for her offspring. It is in the evolutionary interest of a woman to stay with a "superior" (however you define that) male, even if he cheats on her. But it is in the male's evolutionary interest to want to impregnate as many women as possible (so his genes will be spread). Therefore, a man is generally only as faithful as his options. I am full aware of this, but the same applies to women as well. As they want to give birth to the most "superior" child as possible so they have their own incentive to sleep with as many males as possible. As women can pump out way more than one baby in her life time. And seeing that females can give birth as early as 11 years old, and don't stop until they are in their 40's, that is a lot of time to pump out babies and to find the most "superior" set of genes as possible from the male side.
Are there "moral" men whom this rule doesn't apply? Of course, but these men are both short and tall, and so that's a moot point. Because short men and tall men are no more "moral" than one another, but tall men have approximatly 7 times more opportunities to cheat for every short man opportunity....tall men are more likley to cheat.
Do you get it now? Where are you getting this 7 from? And I still don't get why you think tall men are more likely to cheat. Yes tall men are more desired and wanted by most women. I think we got that by now. But things like morals and the type of partner you have, and even economic conditions take part if the guy is going to cheat or not. Another thing if you look at stats for the cheating numbers for each sex. The stats for the males has basically stayed the same and/or gone down some (depending on how you look at it), while the stats for females has gone up quiet noticeably ever since they started to fight for equality between the sexes. I believe right now the stats for both are basically even in todays society. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/2/2008 8:57:29 PM | okeedokee444....
Thank you for the compliment. I've been lucky that age hasn't really caught up to me yet. Most people who meet me in person guess me at 38-42. Good genes I guess.
As far as fastfood goes... I'm not sure that's it. I think it's more of a case of coping skills not being there and people "using" food for comfort, for calm, for numbing. Fastfood is just a quick fix to an existing addiction. A drug addict might snort a line or melt it down... but the end result is the fix he/she has been craving. Lottery tickets or the casino... small loss or big ones.
I'm not thin at all, but I do get asked out a lot. Some are turned off by my size and others have no problem with it at all, but I'm very clear before I even meet a guy that if he's looking for someone thin he needs to pass me by. I've had enough rejection because I don't fit into the model, stripper or cheerleader mold. I make no excuses for my size, but I more than make up for it in other ways. If someone doesn't like what they see, move along. Same should go for a man who is shorter. If a woman can't see his worth, she's the one not worth knowing.
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/2/2008 9:03:45 PM | ....Considering I'm only 5ft nothing, anything over that is taller than me. So obviously, height is not a factor with me haha
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/2/2008 9:28:06 PM | Having been to other countries and being able to compare the lifestyles, I can give some reasons why being overweight and even obese is the norm in this country.
1. Diet. Cooking at home is less common nowadays. Most of the food we eat comes pre-packaged, from what we buy at the supermarket to what we eat when eating out. These foods tend to be much higher in sodium and that helps to retain fluids. Another reason is our parents told us to "eat everything on your plate". Their parents told them that, etc. In times of scarcity that was good advice, but in an age where food is cheap and readily available, that's horrible advice. In the South almost all foods are fried. That is most likely an African influence because slave women did most of the cooking. In Brazil Afro-Brazilian foods are often fried as well. HFCS (High-fructose corn syrup) is used to sweeten everything and may contribute to obesity. White bread also contributes to obesity.
2. Lack of exercise. A great deal of that has to do with how spaced-out many big American cities tend to be, not to mention those who live in the suburbs and the country. Hours are spent doing sedentary activities like playing videogames, watching TV, surfing the Internet and very little time is spent doing physical activity other than what's required for daily life.
In other countries food is usually cooked fresh in the home. Instead of driving everywhere, most families, if they're lucky, will have only 1 car to use. Public transportation is plentiful, so there's a combination of walking and riding the bus. There are American fast-food restaurants and soda drinks in other countries, but the locals tend to have other options as well. There are a lot of privately owned restaurants and fruit drinks available. In tropical areas coconut water is drunk instead of Gatorade or other sports drinks. Also, in tropical areas going to the beach and socializing is popular, so working out or doing some other physical activity is the norm. For example, Brazilians don't look lean and trim for no reason; by the same token, Americans aren't overweight for no reason. Sure, there are overweight people in Brazil and Americans who are lean and trim, but overall Brazilians tend to have a healthy body weight and Americans tend to be overweight or even obese. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/2/2008 10:47:13 PM |
Maybe many men do prefer women who are thin, fit, or average, but there are also plenty of men who would date overweight women. Some men have rejected me because I was "too thin" for them and they wanted a larger woman. I have a friend who is about 10-20 lbs overweight she gets plenty of attention from men. I have seen a fair amount of couples where the woman is overweight.
I agree. It's not unusual to see fat women with thin or average weight men. But it is extremely rare to see a shorter man with a taller women. And it's somewhat rare to see a short man (5'5" or shorter) with any woman - period. So whining that men want thin women is really not the same thing as the height thing. Most men want thinner women, but most men aren't picky enough about it to make it a requirement.
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/2/2008 11:14:14 PM |
One, this was done over 30 years ago and way out dated. Two your trying to apply one's cultural to a totally different cultural. Last I check females in the US in general did not accept socially males with multiple partners. The only group that does is hardcore Latter-day Saint population in Utah. But if you check the laws of marriage, most states make it illegal to be married to more than one female at a time.
What females accept is irrelevant. Men in our culture have affairs in secret. That is why it's called "cheating". So while the men of the Mehinaku tribe may monopolize mate choices in the open; men in our cultures monopolize matting opportunities also - but without letting the other women know. (Of course, the dirty secret is that most women would not care that a highly desirable man was cheating on them).
The fact that some of the data is 30 years old is also irrelevant. These urges and tendencies go back hundreds of thousands of years. 30 years means nothing and if you had read the whole article (using the link) you would have noticed that the general female desire for taller males is universal to humans, though it expresses itself in the form of heightism in different ways in different cultures. It's intensity can also vary by culture. That is, French women may tend to prefer taller men if other variables are equal, while American women may tend to demand taller men above all other characteristics.
I am full aware of this, but the same applies to women as well. As they want to give birth to the most "superior" child as possible so they have their own incentive to sleep with as many males as possible. As women can pump out way more than one baby in her life time. And seeing that females can give birth as early as 11 years old, and don't stop until they are in their 40's, that is a lot of time to pump out babies and to find the most "superior" set of genes as possible from the male side.
False. From an evolutionary standpoint, women are anchored to their offspring. It is NOT in a woman's best interest to have as many children as possible. In fact, nature only makes it possible for a woman to have a baby once every 10 months. And even this is unlikely because babies take a toll on a woman's body. Before modern medicine, it wasn't uncommon for women to die during childbirth, and every subsequent child made that death increasingly more likely.
On the other side; men are NOT anchored to their offspring. A man can physically create a new baby about once every 12 hours (as opposed to the 9 months it takes for a woman). Again, women are designed to produce "quality" offspring and men are designed for "quantity". That's why men are generally only as faithful as their options.
Where are you getting this 7 from? And I still don't get why you think tall men are more likely to cheat. Yes tall men are more desired and wanted by most women. I think we got that by now. But things like morals and the type of partner you have, and even economic conditions take part if the guy is going to cheat or not. Another thing if you look at stats for the cheating numbers for each sex. The stats for the males has basically stayed the same and/or gone down some (depending on how you look at it), while the stats for females has gone up quiet noticeably ever since they started to fight for equality between the sexes. I believe right now the stats for both are basically even in todays society.
I feel like I'm talking in circles.
You've got me on the "7" figure. That was just an example I pulled out of my butt. But it still proves the point because it helps you visualize what is going on. IF each tall man has an average of 7 women vying for their attention for every 1 woman a short man has, then taller men are more likely to cheat. It's simple mathematics. Neither the tall men or the short men are more likely to be more "moral" than the other; so on average, the tall men will cheat more. And it doesn't matter if that number is 7, 70, or 700...the math still works. So long as that number isn't 1 to 1 (which we know it isn't because 98% of the women who have posted said that they want tall men), then that means that taller men are more likely to cheat. | |
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jurupa
| Joined: 2/12/2008 Msg: 1043 | |
| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/3/2008 2:23:31 AM | Jonathan as I have said before it is pretty stupid to deny that woman tend to want taller guys, so I don't know why you need to point that out every single time. I also know its a universal thing as well as I seen women from the countries I have been to try and get my attention.
Yes when you look at the math of it taller men have a lot more choices than short men and be more likely to cheat by the math. Also you may want to figure into the fact that the ratio of females to males is 2:1 right now. But you may also want to keep in mind that is for the world population and not for any given area as some areas are going to have more males than females, therefore increasing the chances of females cheating than males as there are less females for the males to pick from. This is besides the laws of supply and demand.
But as I have pointed out there other factors at play here that can prevent or encourage a taller guy to cheat. One being cultural. Another is economics which is a huge factor here. Right now we are in a recession and maybe go into a depression. Guess what happens when the economy falls? Birth rate falls. You also have the physiological factor here. Lets say the tall guy that is average looking was able to grab a woman like Carmen Electra, which I think most guys would most certainly go for. The guy knows every guy is gunning for his hot girlfriend. So what is he going to do? Make sure she does not leave him, and so will Carmen as she knows a lot of women want her guy. So you have this "tie" effect taking place that is a pure mental thing.
I know women use to die a lot in giving birth. And yes advances in medical basically removed this, but if women where only meant to give birth to one baby the female organs would have been design differently so that she only had one baby. Not only that there is no mating season for humans unlike many animals out there. So one could argue back when medicine was crappy or even no existent, it was in the best interest of the woman to pump out as many kids as possible so that if one was to die (which did happened a lot back in those days), she would have at least another that survive to pass on her and the fathers genes. Basic Darwinism at work. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/3/2008 7:08:05 AM |
Maybe many men do prefer women who are thin, fit, or average, but there are also plenty of men who would date overweight women. Some men have rejected me because I was "too thin" for them and they wanted a larger woman. I have a friend who is about 10-20 lbs overweight she gets plenty of attention from men. I have seen a fair amount of couples where the woman is overweight.
It's interesting isn't it? Because there ARE plenty of men who date overweight women because they don't like "too thin". What's more interesting is that some women (seems like the majority on this site) prefer only to date guys who are tall. Makes you think doesn't it? | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/3/2008 7:46:36 AM |
What you said mskes little sence but I do know what you mean.
I assume that you mean that one should be picky basewd upon the requirments of how one treats others, how one cares for them selves and how one looks? A person should be less than picky when it comes to some "opreferences" as you are limiting your opportunities to meet a quality individual that meets youe "requirements".
What I mean is, it's good to have preferences, and go ahead and line them up with what you think would be perfect for you. So if you think 5'10 or higher would be ideal, then go right ahead. I think that's what most people do with "preferences" and just throw up what they want ideally. However, I think that if someone meets most but not all preferences, or even a little over half, then they most likely qualify. I am the pickiest person I know, but more or less it is because I am picky about personality and sense of humor. With looks I'm pretty open minded, because I know looks become better as the personality shines through. If someone sets a lot of preferences that are "requirements" - well, I don't think they'll be finding anybody any time soon, because there really is not such a thing as perfection. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/4/2008 1:25:57 PM |
The propaganda that you short guys spout on the 10 million short guy threads that start up here every hour . That all short guys are good guys and all tall guys are evil b@st@rds.
I'm tall and an evil **stard
Anyone can get a blonde too, they're just McDonald's French Fries. They come in cute tiny packaging, and they smell and look great. But sometimes you'll find that soggy French fry thats too salty that tastes awful. Although desired and wanted by most, French fries aren't rare, as there are thousands of potato crops growing more every day.
Nemo, that's awesome, ****in mantastic
Most women want tall guys because they are so insecure about themselves that they need the trophy guys to make them feel proud about themselves, just like make up, fake nails, hair, boobs, asses, and all the other things they do.
Allikat you have some major vagitude, it's adorable, but I think you should come by and i'll spank you hard like the bad little girl you are | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/4/2008 1:52:16 PM | I know 3 women who are head over heels in love with their short guys!! (By short I mean 5' 7" - 5' 9" ...since there are 3 specific guys I'm thinking of.) Short guys can be gorgeous in terms of body and facial features; but I've always had a thing for tall guys!! I can be friends with a shorter guy, but I couldn't date him.
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jf468
| Joined: 12/4/2007 Msg: 1048 | |
| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/4/2008 2:09:18 PM |
(By short I mean 5' 7" - 5' 9" ...since there are 3 specific guys I'm thinking of.)
5'7" to 5' 9" isn't that short since the average man is about 5'9". A man that is about 5' 7" is still taller than most women. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/4/2008 7:16:20 PM |
There is a form of surgery which will stretch the lower leg bones over the course of a year. That procedure was created in Russia and used a lot in China. Someone posting on another topic said the procedure was even available here. The drawbacks: it's invasive and you have to be laid out for a year.
5'8"? You're lucky. Here the requirement is at least 5'10".
I believe the surgery is called bone lengthening. They sever the leg bones, place a metal rod between the bones and the bones grow over it. The only problem is it is not only invasive, it is expensive and painful and wouldn't be of any help for someone like me who is only 5'1" since the maximum height that you can gain is about 3 inches from the procedure. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys? Posted: 4/4/2008 9:45:27 PM |
Most women want tall guys because they are so insecure about themselves that they need the trophy guys to make them feel proud about themselves, just like make up, fake nails, hair, boobs, asses, and all the other things they do.
So good to hear a tall guy say this and hit the nail on the head. The issue of women only wanting tall guys comes down to two issues; either she is insecure with herself and her femininity or she is superficial and hides behind the veil of preference.
And then to make up for their own inadequacies they will accuse the short guy of whining for speaking out. | |
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