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 candlecraver

Joined: 9/16/2007
Msg: 1251
Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/21/2008 12:53:04 PM
I am 6 foot even. i have never told a woman shes too short or tall. someone who is that concerned about a persons height is shallow, that person starts with height. then moves on to weight. and last but not least calls her friends and says what should i do.( your my friends and you know i cant think for my self).
theres alot of single people on this site. too many shallow, greedy (me me me type people. we all know its true. im just speaking the reality of it all. im not neg by any means. tattoo's come 1st, the gym comes 2nd, a woman comes 3rd. the gym and ink are investments . a woman can up n leave anytime. so play smart. i do.
 Fefe_FXDL

Joined: 2/24/2007
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Posted: 4/21/2008 1:56:51 PM

if most women wore 6-8" high heels (extra platform at based if needed), would you women be expecting men to be at least 6'6" then? So the height of men will then have to be determined on the stuff you PURPOSELY wear to shut out others? What a concept!


If I was a double amputee, I would still prefer to date a guy taller than me while I had my prosthetic legs on, yup.
 hat18

Joined: 1/2/2008
Msg: 1253
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Posted: 4/21/2008 2:40:51 PM
I'm 6-1, although I am 50 and I may have shrunk considerably and I haven't measured myself today and I wouldn't want to lie, so I'll claim 5-8 to avoid the scarlet letter "L". My SO is 5-3, or so she claims and I tower over her. We almost look silly standing next to each other. But when she wears heels, well, I still tower over her. I could have lived the rest of my life and not read that a man under 6-0 tall makes a woman 5-0 tall feel BIG. WTF? Like what you like, but explain at your peril.

It dawns on me that if anyone starts anything when my SO and I are out, I hope its when she's wearing flats, because with a ten inch height discrepency I'll probably kick some serious ass. But if she's, say, looking me in the adam's apple with those heels on (they do make her ass and calves look great) and some guy gives us crap, I guess I won't be so tough then What's a guy to do?
 blueeyedgirl42

Joined: 12/7/2007
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Posted: 4/21/2008 2:49:50 PM

So the height of men will then have to be determined on the stuff you PURPOSELY wear to shut out others?


I don't ANY woman purposely wears heels for the express purpose of shutting out others. Paranoid much?
 SinglenSeeking

Joined: 4/7/2008
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Posted: 4/21/2008 2:52:24 PM
I like short men. I am 5'4 so anyone 5'4 and taller is game for me!!
 Fefe_FXDL

Joined: 2/24/2007
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Posted: 4/21/2008 2:55:58 PM

Go, and report back.


Per msgs 1135 & 1137...here's the report.

I did meet up on Friday with the brother of the 6'3" guy I first met, and his 5'8-9" friend. We met around 10 am, had breakfast, and then went riding. The only other chance to talk with both of them was during a stop for water in the afternoon. The brother had to get home by 5:00. It was the brother who set up this "date", and he had already said that just because he had to get home early, that his friend, who apparently was interested in me, could still hang out and keep riding.

After I led the ride back to where they both knew where they were and could find their way home, the brother peeled off, but his friend stayed and we stopped to eat to let traffic die down. it was really my first chance to get a good, straight on look at him, and to talk to him. He's really a good looking guy, and easy to talk to. The only moment I felt uncomfortable was when he was telling me about a trip he is planning with the 2 brothers and their girlfriends...I wasn't sure if he was trying to feel me out to see if I had an interest in going or not. After dinner, we got back on the bikes until about 9 pm, when we parted ways and headed home. At the last break we took, he did tell me he had a good time and enjoyed my company. We also talked about my going riding in the area where he lives.

I have talked to both the brothers since, and they both tell me the guy is really interested, and apparently I have another "date" planned this Saturday. I have yet to be called by the guy that is interested.

This has to be the weirdest dating experience ever.

So at the moment, my "take" on short guys, is that they are too intimidated to call women who are taller than they are. They get their 6'3" friends to do it for them!
 Davbro

Joined: 4/1/2008
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Posted: 4/21/2008 3:08:25 PM
im a short ass at 5'9! what i find funny is this tall thing that woman have and i believe it all starts from the tall dark and handsome fairy tails they have as a kid lol.
luckily enough i have a good build and am usually in better shape than my taller counterparts but women will still go for the taller (even if its skinny) frame. so maybe it has something to do with that study of taller men having higher salaries.
the upside to being shorter is a lower sense of gravity that can make someone more athletic (gymnasts and parkour) and believe it or not a lot stronger (olympic weight lifting)
the short side i mean downside is most bloody sports benefit you more if you are taller e.g. volleyball, basketball, waterpolo etc.
as you can see guys im just trying to show you that you need to develop more interests and play to your strengths. fact of the matter is that if a girl likes tall guys then there is nothing you can do about it so go get a wee cutie lol
over and out! boy i talk too much lol
 ladyfish1980

Joined: 8/8/2006
Msg: 1258
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Posted: 4/21/2008 5:06:38 PM
I can't date a man who is shorter than I am simply because I end up seeing him as a child. I'm only 5"4', so a guy who is shorter than I am is already very short for a male. Males who are shorter are usually children who aren't fully grown yet. If a guy is shorter, then I automatically feel like I have to protect him and be his guardian. My man needs to be able to protect me, not the other way around. If I have to protect him, then I feel like I'm the man. I don't like feeling like the man. I want to feel like a feminine woman. For me, I need a man who is at least 1 inch taller. I know what I need and I'm sticking to it.
 NYaquaman

Joined: 2/12/2007
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Posted: 4/21/2008 5:27:56 PM

If I was a double amputee, I would still prefer to date a guy taller than me while I had my prosthetic legs on, yup.


Charming


So at the moment, my "take" on short guys, is that they are too intimidated to call women who are taller than they are. They get their 6'3" friends to do it for them!


So at the moment, my "take" on this attitude, is that it is delusional. Get over yourself - really! All women are fabulous - particularly when when they are kind and smart! Short guys aren't intimidated, they are irritated - by this asinine attitude.

Have a nice day.
 NYaquaman

Joined: 2/12/2007
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Posted: 4/21/2008 5:32:56 PM

can't date a man who is shorter than I am simply because I end up seeing him as a child. I'm only 5"4', so a guy who is shorter than I am is already very short for a male. Males who are shorter are usually children who aren't fully grown yet. If a guy is shorter, then I automatically feel like I have to protect him and be his guardian. My man needs to be able to protect me, not the other way around. If I have to protect him, then I feel like I'm the man. I don't like feeling like the man. I want to feel like a feminine woman. For me, I need a man who is at least 1 inch taller. I know what I need and I'm sticking to it.


Is it just me, or is this person a moron? Really! Could people be more offensive?
 actualized

Joined: 4/13/2008
Msg: 1261
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Posted: 4/21/2008 6:18:17 PM
yeah,
Males who are shorter are usually children who aren't fully grown yet. If a guy is shorter, then I automatically feel like I have to protect him and be his guardian. My man needs to be able to protect me, not the other way around. If I have to protect him, then I feel like I'm the man. I don't like feeling like the man. I want to feel like a feminine woman


you wonder who didn't mature yet. all this ridiculousness about height that cannot be helped and yet the women fatties are crying out "why can't you love me for all the fat i have i won't change even though i could if i bothered trying but you short guys, you are nothing in our eyes".

almost humorous except this is how lots of women approach dealing with their bodies and their expectations of men in so many ways that the man has no feasible way of meeting except in few circumstances where she can idolize him for some particular feature.

i've analyzed this for a long time and women will say i am full of it, and i'll just laugh again.
 4dutyandhumanity

Joined: 4/20/2007
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Posted: 4/21/2008 6:29:43 PM

Per msgs 1135 & 1137...here's the report.



fefe, I think it's really great that you went. I don't know that you were serious about your quote re: intimidation, but I'd agree, he should call. I mean, it's not like you're teenagers.

And if that's your weirdest dating experience ... you don't get out much. I had a date (accidentally) light herself on fire.
 Fefe_FXDL

Joined: 2/24/2007
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Posted: 4/21/2008 9:29:27 PM

Males who are shorter are usually children who aren't fully grown yet.


I don't agree with that. I know too many immature guys over 6'...and too many guys under 5'6" that I respect their maturity. For example, tonight I was out with one of my 6'5" friends. At one point, he brought up how he was discussing with some other guys as to whether it is better to be well endowed, or tall, if you had to choose. He said the general consensus was that if you are short, no girl will give you the time of day to discover how well endowed you are, whereas if you are tall, you have the chance to sleep with hundreds of women at least once. He is not one of my friends that I respect for his maturity, but he is entertaining.


fefe, I think it's really great that you went. I don't know that you were serious about your quote re: intimidation, but I'd agree, he should call. I mean, it's not like you're teenagers.


Yes, I was kidding. I know his shyness has nothing to do with the height difference, which so far, hasn't been an issue. But it did feel different walking through the restaurant with him. I don't usually notice if other people are looking at me, but that day though, it was like I could feel their eyes following us. It was odd in a creepy, skin crawly way. (Of course, a lot of the times I am out with my 6'5" friend above, people assume we are a couple, and that is kinda creepy, too!)

Earlier today I spoke by phone for the first time with another guy I have been emailing back and forth with a few times. As soon as he was on the phone with me, he said he was going to look at my profile again. The first thing he said was, "You're 5'10? So am I, I hope you don't wear heels."

Doh!


And if that's your weirdest dating experience ... you don't get out much. I had a date (accidentally) light herself on fire..


That's scary...but now I am thinking of searching threads for weird dating stories.
 avalanche325

Joined: 4/22/2007
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Posted: 4/21/2008 9:31:07 PM

can't date a man who is shorter than I am simply because I end up seeing him as a child. I'm only 5"4', so a guy who is shorter than I am is already very short for a male. Males who are shorter are usually children who aren't fully grown yet. If a guy is shorter, then I automatically feel like I have to protect him and be his guardian. My man needs to be able to protect me, not the other way around. If I have to protect him, then I feel like I'm the man. I don't like feeling like the man. I want to feel like a feminine woman. For me, I need a man who is at least 1 inch taller. I know what I need and I'm sticking to it.


If you're THAT worried about your personal safety buy a Colt. I hear they're pretty effective at stopping an attacker.
 avalanche325

Joined: 4/22/2007
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Posted: 4/21/2008 9:45:44 PM

I think it's a natural instinct for a woman to be attracted to a man who shows her the traits of a protector and a provider. That means a big strong man.


You do realize that height (or any other physical measurement for that matter) has no affect on a person's ability to earn? A little rectangular piece of plastic will get you farther in today's world than "big strong" will. Do you expect that your hubby will beat his way to a paycheck? Then there's the fact that you expect that the man will be your provider rather than your equal in a relationship... didn't feminism teach you anything?

Again if you feel unsafe, buy a damn firearm.
 avalanche325

Joined: 4/22/2007
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Posted: 4/21/2008 9:47:28 PM

And if that's your weirdest dating experience ... you don't get out much. I had a date (accidentally) light herself on fire.


I've had the ole' "slam the dress in the car door and realize in horror as you step off" dress rip experience with a date. She didn't find it as hilarious as I did.
 Thebestbeancounter

Joined: 10/11/2006
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Posted: 4/21/2008 9:57:01 PM
These short guy threads sounds so much like single mom dating threads. Filled with ignorance and stereotypes. Is it people just don't think about the issue or they just don't care? I refuse to believe some people are actually that ignorant in this world.

Short man feels like a kid, napoleon complex, give me a break.

Would anyone say a single mom is a promiscuous slut? Probably. Until someone actually takes the time to think about the issue and not automatically jump to conclusions based on false generalizations and stereotypes.

What about overweight people? Are they less healthy because they're fat? If someone sees an overweight person running out of breath walking down the street, does that mean all overweight people are unhealthy?

Some people needs to think before they speak because you just make yourselves sound like close minded parrots.
 burnsgirl

Joined: 3/7/2008
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Posted: 4/21/2008 10:23:14 PM
It cracks me up that this topic has gone on for 51 pages!

Since I am only five feet tall the chances of finding a man to date shorter than I is pretty slim, but I wouldn't turn him away just because of his height! I know how it feels to be judged by the way you look. When I was 60 pounds heavier guys wouldn't give me the time of day, now I turn heads. At least I was able to lose weight, they can't grow taller!

BeanCounter said it rather nicely, but I had to add my two cents and keep this topic alive!
 Chobits

Joined: 10/18/2007
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Posted: 4/21/2008 11:00:58 PM
I don't get why guys like to run their hands over the curves of a woman, so I don't assume a guy will get why I like to be enveloped by the physique of a man. There is no answer that a woman can give that will help a guy understand what women find sexually attractive. Any answer that is given will be countered with a more logical and likely insulting one to explain it. I give kudos to the women that tried, but you're fighting a losing battle.

You can give a "logical" answer, but it won't be completely honest. You like what you like. Period. For instance, if a guy says, "I like fit women because I've worked hard on my body and would like a woman who has done the same," does this mean if he encounters a HWP woman who just happens to have a high metabolism and has never worked out a day in her life he's going to toss her aside and suddenly not find her physically attractive?

A man who doesn't care about a woman's weight isn't any more enlightened and understanding than a man who does. The same can be said of women who don't feel any more or less sexually attracted to a man based on his height.

A man's height has no bearing on how well he provides for his family, how attentive and loving he is towards his wife or how devoted he is as a mate. But it does have bearing if the woman does not find him sexually attractive because of it. That may be her loss, but it is a loss she is willing to bear since the difference between a friend and a lover is that you want to have sex with a lover. If you don't, then they're your friend. I'd give the guy a chance just because you never know. A guy's personality can help you overlook a lot of things.

Your height isn't a guarantee that you will find a partner. There are plenty of men over 6' who are alone, so height is not the end all be all of dating. It increases your chances, but so do other things.
 NorseViking869

Joined: 3/23/2006
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Posted: 4/21/2008 11:23:47 PM
Chobits/\^/\That is all find and dandy and all..
but still, it does not help out the plight of the average and short male. While I agree that some things a woman wants attraction wize are not based on logic, I have to say that those attractions are based upon insecurities and not a healthy well being. Say what you like of the contray, but it is true. it is not to lable or offend, it is just a fact of nature. When logic fails there are genetic and primal partsoof the mind that inact certain thoughts and desires. You do not control them, but they are not always healthy.
 serenityCW

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Posted: 4/21/2008 11:31:22 PM
guys! listen up. this will be my last post on this thread. one) it does not help your cause to have all these worries posted under your profile. i suggest you find each other and share tips privately. two) get a sense of humor. say something like: short but big hands and can wrestle any man to the ground. get the implication? that is what is underlying the rejection. make sure you have good pics. make sure that when the forum shrinks your pic, it still looks good. three) connect on issues, not how bad/angry you feel about height. four) know that everyone on here is having problems meeting someone. each assumes whatever their "hangup" is, is the reason. five) know that just because those with the perfect height, look, whatever... may get more dates or get la-d more easily... this DOES NOT further assure that they are meeting lifetime companions.

i am sorry, but if you really want to meet a woman this would be the same as me posting a thread about how horrible lymes disease is and what a total mess i am and how difficult it is to meet people. now really, does this turn you on? maybe a predator who wants to take advantage!

tom cruise is no great he-man. some women think he's cute. personally i could do w/o him but my 5'2" buddy from college was another story... as was the 5'6" guy i dated for a while. so, stop. moan in private. find her.

why am i writing this? for one, i'm safe and have my man. so , i don't give a rat's butt, if i use the analogy of my lymes. was it difficult and scary for him? dam- straight it was. could he resist me when he met me? no. do we have problems? yes. are they related to my disability? no. related to height? no. do we deal with problems? yes. OK. feel better. go meet her!

another reason i responded. when i was young i was teased for being tall and gawky and i had hairy eye brows. so what did i do? i started modeling. many male and female actresses were teased and plagued. it motivated them to be best in other areas. your height will not decide your fate. just read up on what women want, besides all the bs. read venus and mars in the bedroom. et al. be good at something.
 NorseViking869

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Posted: 4/21/2008 11:38:50 PM
serenitycw :

Who says I am posting eworries ant hat these are the only threads I post on. Besides I think I am probably the funniest person on here..but that would not be too humble of me to say. I am not a causist like some of the people here, I am just sharing my opinion, not trying to change anyone.
 Chobits

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Posted: 4/22/2008 12:03:01 AM

Chobits/\^/\That is all find and dandy and all..
but still, it does not help out the plight of the average and short male. While I agree that some things a woman wants attraction wize are not based on logic, I have to say that those attractions are based upon insecurities and not a healthy well being. Say what you like of the contray, but it is true. it is not to lable or offend, it is just a fact of nature. When logic fails there are genetic and primal partsoof the mind that inact certain thoughts and desires. You do not control them, but they are not always healthy.


No offense, but I don't see how debating a moot topic helps the plight of the average or short male either. The women who would never consider dating a short man won't have their minds changed, and those that would were already open to the idea to begin with. You can label, shame, castrate, insult and dismiss a person's reasons for choosing as they do but you won't change or open their minds to an option they find unattractive.

This thread is a perfect example of what happens when you try to reason out attraction. Those that dismiss or insult the ones with a height preference are classified as "whiners" and those that understand the plight of the "short/average" man were already open to the option of dating short/average men anyways.

Frankly, to dismiss another person's preferences/requirements as the result of unhealthy thinking is just as low as saying an aggressive short man suffers from a napoleon complex or a younger woman who happens to fall in love with an older man has "daddy" issues. She might...or she might not. There's no reason for either side to insult the other just because you don't see eye to eye.
 Jonathan Doeman

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Posted: 4/22/2008 12:16:06 AM

A man who doesn't care about a woman's weight isn't any more enlightened and understanding than a man who does


Are you being serious here, or ironic? Do you actually believe that a shallow man is as enlightened as a man who doesn't focus on a single physical aspect of a woman when he decides to reject her?


Your height isn't a guarantee that you will find a partner. There are plenty of men over 6' who are alone, so height is not the end all be all of dating. It increases your chances, but so do other things.


But this misses the point. It's a one way street. Being short can bring your romantic opportunities with women to zero (after a certain point), while being tall will never get you 100% female interest. It's like money. A man with a lot of money has a huge advantage over ordinary men. But being a male who is poor can bring your romantic opportunities to zero, because women are also attracted to men with money (whether they want to admit it or not).

 Jonathan Doeman

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Posted: 4/22/2008 12:39:21 AM

This thread is a perfect example of what happens when you try to reason out attraction. Those that dismiss or insult the ones with a height preference are classified as "whiners" and those that understand the plight of the "short/average" man were already open to the option of dating short/average men anyways.

Frankly, to dismiss another person's preferences/requirements as the result of unhealthy thinking is just as low as saying an aggressive short man suffers from a napoleon complex or a younger woman who happens to fall in love with an older man has "daddy" issues. She might...or she might not. There's no reason for either side to insult the other just because you don't see eye to eye.


I just wanted to take the time to disagree with this.

I agree with the part where you said that debating about this topic isn't going to change the minds of those who are already prejudiced against short men. However, I believe that examining social modes is always a good thing.

A very famous economist, John Kenneth Galbraith, once remarked that "The bias towards tallness and against shortness is one of society's most blatant and forgiven prejudices." And I think that identifying this fact does help short guys because it demonstrates that the prejudice is not something that resides in their minds...it's not something that they are imagining.

By understanding that the prejudice is "not their fault", they can better handle it when the attacks start to come and when they are caught in disadvantageous social situations.

As far as dating....I happen to think that this social stigma spills over into dating (as dating is merely a more intimate facet of our general social interactions). In other words, I believe that the reason women do not prefer (or even disdain) short men is the same reason MEN disfavor short men. I think it's less biology and more social science.

In so far as that is the case, I think bringing the prejudice out in the open can only be a good thing. And I see nothing wrong with shaming people who express their contempt for shorter people via stereotypes, emasculation, hostility, or in sport.

You make the argument that all attraction is neutral. However, we know that to be false, because some forms of attraction are less "moral" than others. The fact that attraction (to a certain extent) is uncontrollable is irrelevant. For instance, it would be immoral to be attracted to animals, right? It would also be immoral to be attracted to little children, right? It would also be immoral to be attracted to close blood relatives, right? And yet, there are people who are attracted to one or all of these things. Would you be against casting negative judgments against such people?

Of course, a height fetish is a far cry from bestiality, but I think both are socially destructive on some level and we should be under no obligation to shrug them off. I'd say the same thing with race requirements in dating. It is everyone's right to require a potential suitor to be of a certain race. But I don't see why someone should have to shut up about it if they get offended by someone's race requirement.

We always do better by discussing these issues out in the open, than in shutting up about them.

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