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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/25/2008 5:48:07 PM | I like the short guys....they work much harder to get what they want than a tall guy does! The majority of them do try to stay in shape and we appreciate that too, right ladies?  | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/25/2008 7:28:43 PM | Could message 1380 be any longer? I did read through all of it, but most people, including the women whose way of thinking you're trying to change, aren't going to read even half of it.
If a woman has a height requirement, you're not going to change her mind, no matter how "logical" or "rational" your reasoning is. They're sold on "taller is better" and you're not going to convince them otherwise.
So what do you do? After all, they're not the only women in the world. Even here in America in our big cities, there are foreign women at universities, ethnic restaurants, churches, etc. who (if you're nice and normal with them) wouldn't mind going out with you. After you've had a foreign woman, you're really not going to want to go back to American woman, except for maybe sex, and even that's a maybe. Foreign women tend to be more serious and romantic. Instead of giving you a hard time for whatever reason (including height), a foreign woman will be much more appreciative and nicer to you. Of course, that's a generalization. Not every American woman is a b**** and not every foreign woman would be a good partner, but on the whole foreign women are much better. nomarriage[dot]com.
At least you guys can be thankful you're not the sucker an American woman has married, divorced, and fleeced. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/26/2008 10:14:26 AM | "Message 1380 is one of the most eloquent well written things I've ever read here. Nice work."
I agree bOrg is the master! | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/26/2008 12:37:39 PM | | Honestly, I don't have that much of a height preference, as long as he's taller than me. Then again, if he's well-proportioned, I'm okay with it, too. I don't think it makes that much of a difference whether a guy is tall or short. I've seen really good looking guys that were 6'2 and up as well as shorter than 5'7. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/26/2008 3:53:55 PM | Like I said at first ..I don't HAVE any restrictions on my profile, except.. no drugs and must not be married. All else I will decide when speaking to, and then meeting someone. IF I am attracted and the guy intrigues me or otherwise piques my interest and has integrity I may decide to pursue something more.
"heightism" and the fact that most men are bigger than most women are not the same thing. Do you REALLY think that the biological fact that males are on average larger than females is arbitrary? What.. is it a fluke of nature? And no it doesn't really equate with height... but because of the longer growth period of men and the effects of testosterone (heavier longer bones, more muscle mass).. MEN ARE USUALLY BIGGER (and therefore taller). Good grief.. go to a public place and look around... this is not something that is made up.. it's an observable phenomena. Not only that but we as a race are getting taller...
In the United States, what is the average height and weight for a man and a woman?
The average female is 5 feet, 3.75 inches tall and weighs 135 pounds . The average male is 5 feet, 9 inches tall and weighs 162 pounds . Between 1960 and 1990 the average American male became 2 inches taller and 27 pounds heavier, while the average American woman also grew 2 inches taller, but gained only 1 pound .
Probably due to good nutrition in childhood... maybe there are other things that contribute to this.. I don't know.
So, on average most men are 5 inches taller than most women.. almost half a foot. Do you not think that after seeing this our whole lives that it may not seem "normal" to a woman to see men taller than herself and equate that with male attractiveness? Can you NOT grasp that there is an environmental psychology to this? Even beyond genetics?
Doesn't make it right that some people are "heightists". And I said before I can't understand why some women choose to put an actual number on their profiles... but it is their perogative. Doesn't matter what men put on theirs.. that's the guys choice also.. and although I am not saying that all men want blond and busty women.. FROM EXPERIENCE, at least when I was in my twenties and thirties anyway.. the bustier women DO get a lot more attention. I have had many girlfriends of all shapes... and YES the ones with the larger breasts were noticed first and got more men approaching them than those of us who aren't as well-endowed. I don't care anymore.. as I have gotten beyond needing that much attention, especially for a particular body part. I like guys who are into MY shape, much more fun than feeling inadequate for not being what I am not.
Personal experience... I'm "average" I guess, in height.(I always thought I was shorter than average, who knew?) I could go out with someone my own height...and I have, or taller than myself... but I know I could not go out with a man shorter than myself (i did once and I wasn't comfortable). It would feel awkward to me.. that's the honest truth..
As for the poster who said I could not possible say I had experienced racism because of my "percentage" of native blood... shoot. (I just can't claim aboriginal status because I am one generation removed from the standards) I lived in an area with a large native population... 40% of my graduating class were West Coast Native... most of them lived on the reserve... I was mistaken for a native for most of my childhood and teen years. Racism was rampant, if not overt. I've been spit on, beaten up, threatened... ridiculed, bullied.. called all sorts of horrible things...prejudice doesn't begin to define it...all because the jackasses (and any racist is a jackass) THOUGHT I was an aboriginal.. they didn't even bother to check.. Of all my family (my brother is blond) I got the cheekbones and eyes, and skin tone of my Cherokee great grandma, sort of a genetic fluke. Please do not presume to know what another's experience has been.
To the other poster.. I do agree that as (most) women get older their preferences will be less based on just attraction and more on other qualities that have proved of deeper value... absolutely. I see that around me all the time now that I'm in my forties, older women tend to look at the "whole" person more than younger.
But it's like the young guys who ask questions in here like..." will a hot woman go out with an average guy?" The answer is - "what is your perception of a "hot" woman", "why is it important that this kind of woman notice you?" and in the case of the smokin' hot, very young and immature (or the high maintenance spoiled princess types), probably not... but in some cases it won't be because she is smokin' hot but because you perceive her as such and have automatically lowered yourself by putting her on some wierd pedestal of "smokin' hotness"... and that, dear men.. is something women can sense from a mile away, and are repelled by. Not that you might find a woman attractive, but that there is a question in YOUR head that you might not be "in her league", this perception of yourself will be apparent to others. You have just lowered your worth, just by your attitude or insecurity. It's not fair... but there it is. I'm hoping this stuff is changing as we become more mature as a society... but sometimes changes are slower than we would like.
and it still doesn't matter if I wish to keep my dating pool to those I find attractive to me..which in a lot of cases has little to do with the physical. It DOESN'T hurt me in any way, and I'm not responsible for anyone else's chances of finding a mate, though I wish all the very best.. now if I did the same thing with friendship THEN I'd be a fool.
I went on a marvelous date last night with a wonderful man who fits almost all of my ridiculously high standards.. and exceeds some in others.. and even brings other great qualitites he has that I hadn't thought of. There are great people out there... and I believe that sticking to one's personal likes and dislikes actually makes it MORE possible to find someone right for YOU.
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/26/2008 5:37:32 PM | i'm too tired to look at all the above, but i do see a few women are actually being reasonable.
when speaking of averages, it'd be good to speak of the standard deviations as well to see what goes on at the end of the spectrums. time for a shower now.
hmm, i will add one thing...too bad i am not a midget! i heard those incredibly short people really get it on, perhaps it's like they can't be choosy when they encounter one of the opposite sex and go crazy without making all sorts of of requirements (i bet a midget girl won't be demanding a guy have a house, great income bla bla bal..if she see a short guy in front of her she'll be ripping his clothes off!). you hear of a group of them getting together, and damn, the orgy breaks out!!! | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/27/2008 8:35:31 AM | I have no idea why male humans are larger than females. I don't know if anyone knows for sure, or if there is a reason. Males being larger than females is not true in all species, and I don't know it's the case in all mammals. But because of this distribution, you are certain to see human pairings where the man is larger than the woman. This would occur regardless of a woman's desires, as women of average height would have difficulty finding shorter males, were that what they wanted.
Saying that women are attracted to men taller because of some biological mechanism ignores another possibility: women don't want a shorter mate because it's against the norm, and will subject them to judgment by their peers, or even by strangers. For women who are sensitive about what others are thinking, this is a powerful force. Remember, there are lots of people with some level of social phobia, and standing out from the crowd can be painful. No one is entirely free of the fear of the judgments of others. Re-read some of the more thoughtful posts from women (as opposed to posts by mental defectives) regarding their desire for a taller partner, and I think you'll find hidden between the lines a lot of concern for 'how will we look' as a couple. I'm told by a woman whose judgment I respect, that being large can threaten a woman's feelings of her own femininity, and that a smaller partner makes the feeling worse. Their insecurity is real, and I don't condemn them for it. I do think they would be better off by examining their feelings, rather than blind acceptance.
I wonder how those who would argue for the biological foundation of attractiveness feel about something women frequently complain of: middle-aged men whose profiles say they're seeking women in the 25-35 age range. Makes perfect sense in terms of biology. Why should men, who remain fertile most of their lives, waste time with women who are less likely to become pregnant? Clearly there's something hardwired in men that prefer younger women. Shouldn't we respect their desires? After all, the poor dears are just doing what nature intended.
No, we shouldn't. Because the whole evolutionary argument founders on a single fact: we are human beings, not monkeys. We can and do override our instincts all the time - like not peeing in the street. Humans are immeasurably more complex than even our nearest mammal cousins, and most distinctively, we have the capacity and the expectation that we will control and overcome our 'instincts'.
This is already long, and I haven't even touched on the role our vapid media plays in promoting hurtful, artificial and unattainable body ideals. Some of the posts on this subject have come from women who probably get all their ideas from trash tv and the mags in the supermarket check-out, and they ain't a pretty sight. (A note to women: how do you like how Hollywood deigns that women over 40 must dissappear from sight?)
The solution to being tyrannized by imaginary hobgoblins created by fools for fools is vocal opposition. If you can't tell the difference between seeking a human partner and trying to decide between getting a golden retriever or a German shephard, you deserve to be called shallow, a ditz or a slob. To remain silent is to acquiesce in a process that is constantly driving our culture to find ever lower common denominators. And it's plenty low enough already. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/27/2008 4:42:52 PM | ^^^^^I do agree with the "against the norm "analogy. No matter howmany women say they aren't insecure or that attraction is illogical, look at the facts.
Many women on this very thread said they would not like to be seen out on a date with a shorter man. If you are caring what others are thinking of you, then what business do you have dating? isn't dating doing something for yourself, not others around you? | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/27/2008 5:16:04 PM |
Many women on this very thread said they would not like to be seen out on a date with a shorter man. If you are caring what others are thinking of you, then what business do you have dating? isn't dating doing something for yourself, not others around you?
I agree with NorseViking. I myself really don't care about what others think unless they're paying my bills, giving me a high-paying job, or performing some other service for me. If a women is too self-conscious to want to be seen out on a date with a short guy, then IMHO she's not as "strong" as she likes to claim she is. BTW, the average height for the Vikings of old was 5'7". I don't think they had any problems putting the fear of God in the countries they invaded. And I believe the height of the average Roman was even shorter than that. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/27/2008 5:43:09 PM | I don't mind dating short guys if they don't mind me hoisting them up on one hip and carrying them around, just kidding ...I would make them walk!
But I freak in' hate boogers! | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/27/2008 5:49:22 PM | | Being tall 5'9 flat footed and liking to wear heels, I prefer a man taller than myself 6' but that doesn't mean I don't find shorter men attractive. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/27/2008 6:19:32 PM |
Being tall 5'9 flat footed and liking to wear heels, I prefer a man taller than myself 6' but that doesn't mean I don't find shorter men attractive.
If more women thought like you this would be a much better place. I understand how be tall yourself would lead you to prefer taller guys. I like that for you it is preference and not a prefernce disguised as a requirement. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/28/2008 9:51:24 AM |
hmm, i will add one thing...too bad i am not a midget! i heard those incredibly short people really get it on, perhaps it's like they can't be choosy when they encounter one of the opposite sex and go crazy without making all sorts of of requirements (i bet a midget girl won't be demanding a guy have a house, great income bla bla bal..if she see a short guy in front of her she'll be ripping his clothes off!). you hear of a group of them getting together, and damn, the orgy breaks out!!!
So because you are like two inches taller than a "Little Person" you feel it is okay to make fun of them? Looks like SOME short men are mental midgets! | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/28/2008 9:57:18 AM | I saw this posted in a woman's profile
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He should be tall,(at least 5 11" and over), and of course, attractive and sooooo sexy. Please, be respectful and read my profile and pay attention to the height requirement, 5 ft 10 ins. maybe ok, but 5/6 or 5/7 is not ok. This is just my preference. Respect it! A certain sex appeal goes a long way.
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And she's only 5'6" (typical female height) but notice how really descript she gets, the more descript they get about height, the more shallow you think they are being? | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/28/2008 10:44:13 AM |
okeedokee444 wrote: I saw this posted in a woman's profile
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He should be tall,(at least 5 11" and over), and of course, attractive and sooooo sexy. Please, be respectful and read my profile and pay attention to the height requirement, 5 ft 10 ins. maybe ok, but 5/6 or 5/7 is not ok. This is just my preference. Respect it! A certain sex appeal goes a long way.
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And she's only 5'6" (typical female height) but notice how really descript she gets, the more descript they get about height, the more shallow you think they are being?
If guys were more like women, here's what our profiles would look like:
She should be busty (at least 36DD). She should weigh less than 140 lbs.
While I think a lot of guys would go for a woman like that, most of them don't make it a requirement (and call it a "preference"). You have to wonder why Honda and Toyota do so well. They give exceptional value to drivers, more bang for the buck! Soon you will see more and more American men bypassing American women for foreign women. And why not? Most American women demand so much and yet aren't willing to give a lot to guys in return. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/28/2008 10:55:10 AM | TD Blake, lol...here's an idea of how women operate when it comes to seeking a mate
Thinking of adding it to my profile:
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The Husband Store
A store that sells husbands has just opened where a woman
may go to choose a husband from among many men. The
store is composed of 6 floors, and the men increase in positive
attributes as the shopper ascends the flights.
There is, however, a catch. As you open the door to any floor you may
choose a man from that floor, but if you go up a floor, you cannot go
back down except to exit the building.
So a woman goes to the shopping center to find a husband.
On the first floor the sign on the door reads:
Floor 1 - These men have jobs.
The woman reads the sign and says to herself, "Well, that's better
than my last boyfriend, but I wonder what's further up?"
So up she goes.
The second floor sign reads:
Floor 2 - These men have jobs and love kids.
The woman remarks to herself, "That's great, but I wonder what's
further up?" And up she goes again.
The third floor sign reads:
Floor 3 - These men have jobs, love kids and are extremely good
looking. "Hmm, better" she says. "But I wonder what's upstairs?"
The fourth floor sign reads:
Floor 4 - These men have jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking
and help with the housework. "Wow!" exclaims the woman, "very
tempting. BUT, there must be more further up!" And again she heads up
another flight.
The fifth floor sign reads:
Floor 5 - These men have jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking,
help with the housework and have a strong romantic streak. "Oh, mercy
me! But just think... what must be awaiting me further on?" So up to
the sixth floor she goes.
The sixth floor sign reads:
Floor 6 - You a re visitor 3,456,789,012 to this floor. There are no
men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are
impossible to please. Thank you for shopping at The Husband Store and
have a nice day
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/28/2008 11:24:20 AM | I dont feel confortable when I am taller then my man and I like to wear high heals once in a while cause I like them.
I also have big hands ( long fingers) and feet (size 10) and I feel very odd if my man has smaller hands and feet then I do.
I dont like to feel like an amazone next to my man.
Short men look boyish to me, I guess I like men who are big boned, tall ( not too tall) and have broad shoulders, compact not boney or petite.
I guess it all comes down to feeling protected and also a man who is too tall or too short complicates love making.
You mentioned the weight on you of a taller heavier man, well I like that and I like to be on top as well and I dont want to feel like I am grushing the poor guy. 
I like to look my man into his eyes and not look down on him or look up too much. I like my man to be between 5'10 and 6' 2.
So I say a couple should be equal in hight, but if a tall guy likes petite women and the petite loves tall guys hey it works for them.
Some women like short men and can only work if the short men dont have issues with that, some short men really like tall women.
SO sorry for saying that but I dont find short men sexy, if I was 5'3 yes a 5'5 guy would be very sexy to me and any guy taller then 5'8 would be way too tall, but since I am 5'8 I am sticking to men who are a bit taller then I am 2 -4 inches. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/28/2008 11:40:15 AM |
sunshine_1969 wrote: I guess it all comes down to feeling protected and also a man who is too tall or too short complicates love making. You mentioned the weight on you of a taller heavier man, well I like that and I like to be on top as well and I dont want to feel like I am grushing the poor guy.
Bruce Lee was about 5'7" or 5'8". Sure, Steven Seagal is 6'4", but the founder of Aikido was only 4'11".
Ron Jeremy is 5'6". He's been with 100s of women in his porn flicks since the 1970s. I don't think you'd be crushing him, and he's been with some heavy women on top of him too.
I think what it boils down to for some women is body mass. The bigger a body mass a guy has, the more a woman feels like he can protect her and the less she feels like she's going to "crush" him. So can we say that a lot of women prefer tall guys because the latter generally has greater body mass? | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/28/2008 12:40:26 PM | I also have big hands ( long fingers) and feet (size 10) and I feel very odd if my man has smaller hands and feet then I do. That's an interesting rationalization; a woman who doesn't date shorter guys because their hands are proportionally small.
By the way Sunshine, George Clooney is only 5'10"; I wonder if that's tall enough for you, I also wonder how big his hands are.
I dont feel confortable when I am taller then my man
I guess it all comes down to feeling protected
a man who is too tall or too short complicates love making.
These are the typical rationalizations. The bigger issues are why a taller woman may be feeling uncomfortable about her height; why a taller woman might seem to display more of a need for physical protection than a woman without height prejudices; and why a taller woman feels sex is "complicated" when partners aren't within some arbitrary height tolerance (although I'll bet she'd feel sex isn't nearly as "complicated" if the 5'8" woman were four inches shorter (6% difference) than the guy instead of four inches taller). | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/28/2008 1:23:56 PM | Man, there are a lot of dumb, shallow women on this site. No wonder they're single - can you imagine having to listen to all this prattle in person?
Thing I'm sickest of most: 50 year old bodies, 17 year old attitudes. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/28/2008 1:46:21 PM | SO sorry for saying that but I dont find short men sexy, if I was 5'3 yes a 5'5 guy would be very sexy to me and any guy taller then 5'8 would be way too tall, but since I am 5'8 I am sticking to men who are a bit taller then I am 2 -4 inches.
Wow, she's got everything to an exact science/number(s).
Good thing I'm 5'9" I'm one inch taller, so, thus I qualify. lol *Whew!*
Funny, I used to think I was 5'8", then I had friends tell me "No, you're taller than that" so I figured I had to be at least an inch taller, so I change my ht. to 5'9" on all my profiles....lol...guess I might stand a better chance now.
I dont want to feel like I am grushing the poor guy.
Actually, this is a turn on to men, sometimes a fantasy, I know I wouldn't mind...of course...you wouldn't be crushing him at all, esp if your in bed. Either way, the male human body can tolerate such weight.
You're just making excuses for what you think men might not enjoy.
To note: I think women are just reading the MAIN OP, and just posting the same "I feel safer/protected rhetoric and ignoring us TD Blake and others, lol"
We are starting to feel like broken records here everytime a NEW woman posts how they feel "protected" around taller men.
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/28/2008 2:41:40 PM | It is "Heightism" !
Did you know for each inch in height, a man earned about $789 more in pay. So a 6-foot man would earn $5,525 more each year than someone who is 5'5. So it must not only be women who judge in inches.
Taller men are more likely to be married and have children than shorter men.
Childless bachelors are significantly shorter than married men.
Those with children were, on average, 1.2 inches taller than childless men.
Married men were an average of 1 inch taller than bachelors.
While men here seem to think that it is unfair that women prefer taller men... only 23 percent of men would consider dating a woman taller than they are! this is me looking shocked!
Taller men and slimmer women have better chances of finding a mate. That is just the way it is. There is a pattern in how people choose each other,overweight woman get passed over.Men..on the other hand do not seem to be penalised for being overweight?
I have dated shorter men (crap I married one) but I judge on personality and devilish grins...what? | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/28/2008 3:01:50 PM |
It is "Heightism" !
Did you know for each inch in height, a man earned about $789 more in pay. So a 6-foot man would earn $5,525 more each year than someone who is 5'5. So it must not only be women who judge in inches. I've mentioned this ad nauseum but lots of people aren't paying attention. Height definitely helps a guy in the workplace. In my opinion a woman's height often highly correlates to her salary as well.
only 23 percent of men would consider dating a woman taller than they are! I was wondering what the source is of this "information". So I googled what you italicized; it was a Psychology Today study performed by researchers investigating people who posted Yahoo personal ads. It sounds like your typical psychobabble nonsense. | |
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