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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/30/2008 5:52:07 PM | 
Sorry, I'm finding the correlations between height and hand, shoe and other sizes hilarious. The best data I could find claimed there was a 59% correlation between height and foot/shoe size (though it was just an N=34 sample). Just to clarify, that's saying there is a correlation, but it's an incredibly weak correlation (if I know my statistics right <= 50% would basically mean it's likely there's no correlation).
I'm average height, my hands are bigger than most people I meet, shoe size is above average ...
This article says that what height and foot size may be correlated to penis size, but that correlation is also weak and, "Height and foot size would not serve as practical estimators of penis length."
http://www.springerlink.com/content/j62g2g4782873082/
If the correlations are weak, and since there are far more men around average height than tall men, the actual greatest population of men with larger hands, feet, etc. would be men around average height. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/30/2008 5:58:44 PM | | Message 1455: Not all men have the opportunity to increase their options. Men also age. No young woman I know would want to date a man that's old enough to be her father. Anyways, I don't see why this is such a big problem- if most people date within their age range there should be someone for everybody. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/30/2008 6:03:36 PM | there are some really angry females on this site and they can't figure out that their outrageous inflammatory remarks go well beyond offensive and are in many instances borderline criminal behavior.
when a woman can't discuss this issue kindly, just as she wouldn't be able to communicate well in her relationships with men, she'll invoke childish hurling of insults.
height has little to do with penis size if that's what the hidden agenda is behind all the supposed reluctance to date shorter men. midgets even have average sized ones. a big woman was telling me about her 6'3" husband who had a micropenis and yet she even went in to tell me that it wasn't an issue, as i suppose a gal who's not so shallow would find some way around such a thing. I once discussed micropenises to one potential gf and she was frightful by thinking I had one (strange how women can make illogical conclusions by persistently always trying to find a hidden message - as if a topic can't be discussed without a woman thinking what is discussed has to be related to the speaker) but she was set straight a few minutes later.
the irate female behavior has got to stop but if they must continue they shouldn't be surprised to find that men here enjoy a PLEASANT foreign woman who's also not likely to be overweight - a seemingly prerogative of women in this country. And to think ALL women have some control over their weight to be accepted, yes ALL, to some extent and yet a man can't grow an inch to be accepted. Too bad women don't often think logically else there'd be many more happy relationships with productive communication (I will assert many men also need to be logical as it's not a male monopoly in this area).
A man cannot even speak about a concern here without being called a whiner. how sad. I';m sure i'll be assaulted with claims that i can't get dates by more illogical, mentally challenged women to uplift their spirits and that'd be false as my past history dictates differently. I can get a date on any given day if i went along with the usual idiocy of the dating system of dating a woman who can't free herself up from a relationship until a new guy shows up. women dictate this rule by how they operate in their usual insecurity of needing to have a guy around them without a break of a single day. being taller would be met with the same game and i'd be COMPLAINING of this just as well, though there'd be more women opening themselves up for me while they are in their stupid relationship they refuse to leave on merit.
*****I'll try to make this very clear, though many men will go along with society's rule as ordered by women in how they stay in bad relationships until a new guys enters her space: short men have a plight, but that is still overshadowed by a factor of maybe 5 or 10 to 1 when considering women could be free and available if they simply chose to get out of a relationship that they do not like. These women who allow themselves to be locked up in a relationship keeps the available dating pool (as far as those who are ethical) very small in this country. I. myslef am a very principled man and even though women use to grab me long ago and i thought they just had to be completely single i soon found out their amoral secret, so other than what i thought HAD to be a certainty but wasn't, I hold strong onto my values, even when I was asked by a woman I was extremely attracted to that she wanted an affair with me. Sure lots of women would not date shorter men, and though it makes LITTLE sense relative to shorter girls, simply expanding the dating pool would minimize this set-back greatly as there'd be plenty of this group who would! Shortness is A factor, but not the most important one, by far!***** | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/30/2008 6:17:26 PM |
halfalien wrote: there are some really angry females on this site and they can't figure out that their outrageous inflammatory remarks go well beyond offensive and are in many instances borderline criminal behavior.
when a woman can't discuss this issue kindly, just as she wouldn't be able to communicate well in her relationships with men, she'll invoke childish hurling of insults.
the irate female behavior has got to stop but if they must continue they shouldn't be surprised to find that men here enjoy a PLEASANT foreign woman who's also not likely to be overweight - a seemingly prerogative of women in this country.
Yeah, angry and bitter women are a turn-off for me, and it seems like most North American women are that way. I've seen profiles on m-y-s-p-a-c-e where divorced 6'0" guys are showing a picture of what used to be their house, but now belongs to the ex-wife because of court order. So tall guys may be getting screwed more, but it's not always in a good way. I used to try to reason with women who'd insult me, but I finally figured out they're not worth the time or bother. If a woman doesn't like you because you're "not tall enough", then let her marry a guy she likes and watch her pack on the pounds, while pursuing foreign women at the same time, either here in big cities or in their homelands. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/30/2008 6:29:03 PM | | I' m between 5' 9" & 5 '10" I have found that any man shorter then I who asks me out (and they are few & far between) is very confident and that is appealing. I dated a man 5' 7" who encouraged me to wear heels (which put me at about six feet) he liked the way heels made my legs look and had enough confidence and was secure in his masculinity that me being taller was not a problem for him.....Believe me when it comes to height size doesn't matter | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/30/2008 6:35:47 PM |
if most people date within their age range there should be someone for everybody.
You live in a different area of the world than I do so our experiences aren't going to match. I have a lot of girlfriends over 40, and the guys they're interested in are shooting for women in the early 30's. I've had men my father's age contacting me since I hit puberty and I've never been a looker. People go for what they're interested in and hope that the feeling is reciprocated. At least that's how things occur here as I've observed. I don't know about other areas.
If a guy can afford to search for a chica from another country, I say power to them. I've never been offended by guys wanting non-American girls. If it's a guy I want, then I'm not what he wants so he's out of the running by default. If it's a guy I don't want, then why would I care if the feeling is mutual? I want everyone to find love and happiness. Especially me. (hehe) I'll happily employ any device at my disposal to find a guy I can love, so I don't begrudge others who do the same. :) | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/30/2008 8:03:36 PM |
I sort of was teasing you about your preferences. Honestly though, if what you stated as preferences are actually requirements, you likely are missing out on meeting lots of good guys, unless you actually are proactive and take initiative with guys you find attractive (most women don't do this). Sunshine, just read through the thread a little bit (if you are bored to death for some reason); you'll see other women state "preferences" similar to your preferences, and then see how they spun the preference into a rationalized requirement.
Bikeman You are right , lots of women do this, but my prefferences are NOT requirements and I dont really have requirements, I just play it by ear so to speak.
I also dont have a problem to be proactive and take initiative with guys I find attractive, so that helps .
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/30/2008 8:41:38 PM |
Falling_Ember wrote: If a guy can afford to search for a chica from another country, I say power to them. I've never been offended by guys wanting non-American girls. If it's a guy I want, then I'm not what he wants so he's out of the running by default. If it's a guy I don't want, then why would I care if the feeling is mutual? I want everyone to find love and happiness. Especially me. (hehe) I'll happily employ any device at my disposal to find a guy I can love, so I don't begrudge others who do the same. :)
Thanks for understanding and not saying stuff like I want to "buy" someone or make them a slave, etc. And I agree with you. If someone doesn't like you back, then they're not worth pursuing. I wouldn't automatically rule out a North American woman. If she can demonstrate she's mature, doesn't have the princess/queen entitlement syndrome, and doesn't prejudge people for whatever reason, and if she likes me and vice-versa, then I could go for a woman like that.
The most expensive part about looking for women in other countries is the airfare. Even so, that's a lot cheaper than buying a new house or car. Of course, getting her a fiancee or spousal visa and having her immigrate would be much more expensive than the airfare. So in a way it would make more financial sense to look for foreign women in big cities and university towns. I've met some in Dallas and talking to them is a breath of fresh air as opposed to talking to many North American women who will automatically "disqualify" me once they find out I'm 5'7". | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/30/2008 9:05:27 PM |
We're all shallow in some way. I'm not a height queen, but if someone called me shallow for preferring brunettes over blondes that's completely within their right. You can't please everyone, so you might as well please yourself. Life's too short to worry about labels.
But preferring brunettes over blondes is not a valid comparison to the type of shallowness we are talking about. A better comparison is saying that you will only date brunettes, and you will never date blondes. And going on to say that blond men make you feel like less of a woman; they tend to have nasty tempers and attitudes; and they would feel inferior with a brunette woman like yourself. 
See the difference? | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/30/2008 10:08:44 PM |
See the difference?
Honestly? Not really. It all sounds the same to me: Caring enough about the physical to have a preference or requirement attached to it. Why doesn't matter. You can not like blondes because a blonde dingo stole your baby or because you're scared of the color yellow. It's still caring about the physically obvious, so if someone called me shallow for preferring brunettes over blondes (regardless of why) they'd still be accurate. It's just a label, so who cares? | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/30/2008 10:39:46 PM | ^^^^
LOL everyone cares apparently
from what i've seen on POF women get extremely defensive when they are called shallow for having their requirements "it's just a prefrence!" "I have a right to choose!"
that doesn't make me shallow!"
What they don't realize is rejecting someone based on a physical characteristic that they have bo control over is the very definition of shallow. and when you call them on it they can't take it. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 4/30/2008 11:02:19 PM | I don't understand what all of the fuss is about. Isn't this merely a personal preference? If a women is "shallow" for rejecting a man for being too short, are women who reject men with ugly faces, crooked noses, etc. also shallow? As a guy I can tell you that I wouldn't date a woman with an ugly face - does that make me shallow?
Lots of guys won't go out with a girl if her butt, for example, is too big and I know that some women will always have a big butt no matter how they diet or exercise. Are those guys just as shallow as the women who won't date short guys?
FYI, I'm 5' 8.5" myself, and I always assumed that a hot girl taller than me wouldn't be interested in me and I accepted that. However, I recently discovered that this is not necessarily the case for all women, which is a good thing. So perhaps there are some good looking women willing to date shorter guys (provided they aren't too much shorter). | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 1:11:43 AM |
don't understand what all of the fuss is about. Isn't this merely a personal preference? If a women is "shallow" for rejecting a man for being too short, are women who reject men with ugly faces, crooked noses, etc. also shallow?
Good question.
Here is my take.
It's four fold.
1) PREFERENCE VS REQUIREMENT - - - It's not just the existence of the preference, but the things that a REQUIREMENT suggest. I don't think anyone is offended by a preference, but when a preference becomes a requirement, the trait in question takes on supremely greater importance. A requirement makes the trait more important than any other preference the person may have.
In other words, a preference implies an affinity for one trait over another trait, while a requirement implies avoiding a trait that is defective. One is a comparative exercise, and the other is an objective expression of inferiority. And thus, offensive.
2) PERSONAL VS SOCIETAL --- This is not a matter of personal preference because too many individuals share the same requirement. Something like preferring Blonds over Brunettes is an example of a personal preference because while there might be a slight societal preference for Blonds, that preference is almost never elevated to the realm of a requirement and it is not overwhelmingly widespread. Not so with height requirements. Height requirements are common place in our society, and thus cannot be said to be "personal".
Therefore, any attack on height requirements is a sort of social critique that should not offend the individual woman who practices it.
3) IMMUTABLE PHYSICAL TRAIT --- Part of the reason people are offended is because height cannot be changed. Nor was our height chosen or earned. Of course, the same can be said about a number of factors people are negatively judged on, such as race. However, race requirements are less common than height requirements.
4) SOCIAL INJUSTICE --- I think that the main reason that height requirements are offensive is that they "touch and concern" a real social injustice (heightism, or height bigotry). In this way, a height requirement is like a race requirement. Women and men are entitled to have and list race requirements for whom they would like to date. But these requirements are offensive because some groups are socially disadvantaged based on their race. Likewise, short men are socially disadvantaged by their height in terms of salary, career advancement, social interactions, and (obviously) romantic relations.
Now to put a finer point on all of this, imagine a race requirement that was pretty universally one-sided against a particular race. Furthermore, imagine that there is no social stigma against applying racist stereotypical characteristics to members of that particular race. Now imagine also that the women of this stigmatized race tend to have race requirements which exclude men of their own race.
Eventually, that sort of thing might be seen as offensive in a polite society. At the very least, the members (especially the male members) of that stigmatized race would have cause to speak out.
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 1:37:56 AM | Hey!
I'm 5'5. I'm certainly not the tallest! Lol. Would have liked to have been a little taller, but that's life. I just get on with it. There's no point in worrying. It's because we are human, which is why we behave the way we do towards one another.
The thing is - I'm a nice guy, don't beat or abuse anyone, can trust and be trusted and not be suspicious. I am kind, considerate, polite and extremely caring and honest. Oh, and would do things for the woman I love because I want to, not because I need to.
If no-one wants to be with me because of my height, well that's there problem. They would be the ones to miss out. And I'm not slating women for wanting a taller guy, that's their personal preference/choice. I've got no problem with that.  | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 4:49:45 AM |
Lots of guys won't go out with a girl if her butt, for example, is too big and I know that some women will always have a big butt no matter how they diet or exercise. Are those guys just as shallow as the women who won't date short guys?
Actually, yes.
And if they put 'I won't date you if you're hiney is more that 48" wide' in their profiles, they're also slobs.
Shallowness is looking at a person solely on physical characteristics, or even more particularly, a single physical characteristic, to the exclusion of any other factor. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 7:32:13 AM | Its harder to be judged by age than weight from my point of view. Although weight limits your pool, it doesn't decimate it. At some point a woman's age is going to drain her pool dry and there is nothing she can do about it.
A woman can't control her age, but some people age more gracefully than others. A woman in her 40s or 50s might not be as attractive now as she was in her 20s. But she can remain reasonably attractive with a good diet, proper exercise, a good wardrobe, hairstyle, proper makeup etc.
I don't understand what all of the fuss is about. Isn't this merely a personal preference? If a women is "shallow" for rejecting a man for being too short, are women who reject men with ugly faces, crooked noses, etc. also shallow? As a guy I can tell you that I wouldn't date a woman with an ugly face - does that make me shallow?
For me, it's not necessary the height preference or requirement itself. It's the false and stereotypical reasons for it. Short men have "Napoleon Complex", taller men have "better genes", taller men can a "protect" a woman better, a woman feels like she is standing next to a child when she is with a short man etc. If a man stated that he doesn't date fat women because he feels all fat women are lazy, unhealthy, smell like pigs etc, he would be harsly criticized for making these comments.
I'm not a height queen, but if someone called me shallow for preferring brunettes over blondes that's completely within their right. You can't please everyone, so you might as well please yourself. Life's too short to worry about labels.
I don't think hair color and height are the same. Some men might prefer blondes, but I don't think a large percentage of these men would reject a woman just because she is a brunette. Even if a few men did reject a woman because she is a brunette, many other men wouldn't care about her hair color or might actually prefer brunettes in some cases. However I think the majority of women ( at least on POF ) want taller men and would reject a man if he is under a certain height | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 8:05:28 AM | msg 1059 from lois lane~~~~~~
As a 6-ft. woman who loves to wear heels, I have given the short (5'7") guy a go. We went out for a year and a half. He finally dumped me because he couldn't take the men approaching me when we were together. They always thought he was my little brother or something. (Btw, that NEVER happens with the tall men.)
thank you lois for being a woman true to yourself. you gave it a good shot with short guys. all we ask ia chance.
i'm 5' 4". fortunately for me i'm decent looking with an outgoing personality and a love for dancing and music (it helps with the chicks).
Lois Lane is right!!! when i'm with a hot babe men WILL come over and try to insinuate themselves into our area by any number of pretenses. i'm aware of it and i have no problem telling any man of any size to leave the two of us alone. most men wouldn't do that with a big man. but having been in dozens of fights in my life i'm afraid of no man and usually have to go at it with a man who is younger and bigger than me. sometimes MUCH bigger!
so smaller men, i say go for the gusto. rejection is only temporary. true love is forever!
TOM the bomb
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 8:27:05 AM | when i'm with a hot babe men WILL come over and try to insinuate themselves into our area by any number of pretenses. i'm aware of it and i have no problem telling any man of any size to leave the two of us alone.
TOMic Bomb,
Thanks for pointing me toward your post. The first time it happened, I was a bit shell-shocked. I turned saying to my guy, after the other had gone, that we don't even look alike, etc. It wasn't until it happened again that I recognized it for what it was. However, I never once let him get into a brawl over that. What I mean by 'let him' is, I felt because they were addressing me, even though he could hear it, it was my responsibility to correct them of their rudeness.
Short men shouldn't have to fight because taller men can be inconsiderate gits. Kudos to you TOMic Bomb for standing up to the ones who willfully disrepect you, that's shameful.
LoisLane backs out of the room before she is pulled, yet again, into this never-ending debate. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 12:27:27 PM | | I've read all these responses and frankly I'm appalled at the shallowness of thought in the responses, at what point do people consider the content of ones character, the quality of ones personality etc., these people are the same people that would hate to be judged by the size of or the lack of size of any of there own physical features or by there beauty or lack there of , try and remember people that nobody choses to be a certain way. Women or Men who judge by stature or phisical features should be pittied as they lack the intellectual capacity and understanding that they need to do some serious introspection and work on there own issues before inflicting themselves on anyone else. Generalities of any sort are best to always treat with caution. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 12:43:16 PM | I have a question for the short people on this thread - why would you want someone who doesn't want you? It seems like you're trying to convince them to like you despite a lack of physical attraction.
It's human nature to be attracted to certain physical features on a person of the opposite sex. Some women obviously are attracted to tall people, and that is fine. This seems like one of those pity threads where the fat people complain that thin women don't like them or where people with low-paying jobs complain that women only want guys who make a lot of money.
It's obvious that the short people are never going to have a chance with some some tall women (or some short women who only want tall guys). Whining about that fact isn't going to change anything. To improve your chances with other women who might prefer tall men, but who are a little more open-minded about it, you just need to improve the other aspects of your life that you can control, such as your physical appearance (e.g., by dressing well and staying in shape) and by having a decent job. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 1:33:01 PM | "have a question for the short people on this thread - why would you want someone who doesn't want you? It seems like you're trying to convince them to like you despite a lack of physical attraction."
Nope, You're wrong. We are not trying to force people to date who they are not attracted to or who they do not want. We are simply exploring and challenging the reasonong behind these so called "preferences" and requirements. It's not about changing minds it's about opening them. Many of the reasoning behind why women won't date us is often offensive, bigoted, and discriminatory. If it was solely about attraction it wouldn't be that big of a deal.
"It's human nature to be attracted to certain physical features on a person of the opposite sex. Some women obviously are attracted to tall people, and that is fine. This seems like one of those pity threads where the fat people complain that thin women don't like them or where people with low-paying jobs complain that women only want guys who make a lot of money."
Again this is not about attraction. Most short guys can deal with it if a woman doesn't find them attractive. It's the fact that most women view taller men as superior this is the mentality that short guys have a problem with.
"It's obvious that the short people are never going to have a chance with some some tall women (or some short women who only want tall guys). Whining about that fact isn't going to change anything. To improve your chances with other women who might prefer tall men, but who are a little more open-minded about it, you just need to improve the other aspects of your life that you can control, such as your physical appearance (e.g., by dressing well and staying in shape) and by having a decent job."
I agree with with some of this, but let me ask you something Who's more immature? Those who want to discuss the topic of heightism in the dating world. Or those who resort to calling people "whinners" and using other veiled insults because they don't want others discussing it? I' not directing this at you personally.
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 1:48:59 PM | Amen, This topic is a bunch of bull and detail on why is redundant, If i am too tall...fine , too short....also fine. If you say I am a bore or am ugly or have no personality it would be different.
Bottom line there are many reasons why some peoplek are atrracted to short/tall people one that has been overlooked is Trophy= Woman want a man other women will want and any imperfection in that man too tall /too short big head / big nose ect. might affect how she feels she looks to her girlfriends and peers when with the man.
That is not a absolute reason but is sometimes one reason. Argue if you will . | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 2:43:00 PM | I have a question for the short people on this thread - why would you want someone who doesn't want you? It seems like you're trying to convince them to like you despite a lack of physical attraction.
It's not always about physical attraction. If a woman stated that she is more attracted to taller men, then most people wouldn't have a problem with that. However many women will not date a short man due to false stereotypical reasons such as the ones I mentioned on msg 1471. BTW not all the people on this thread who are criticizing some of the reasons for a woman's height requirement or preference are short. I'm 5' 11". There are some other men around my height who share my viewpoint. | |
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