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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 3:04:53 PM | Amen, This topic is a bunch of bull and detail on why is redundant, If i am too tall...fine , too short....also fine. If you say I am a bore or am ugly or have no personality it would be different.
Why would that be different? If you are boring, you can work on being more interesting. If you are ugly, you can work on your hygiene or work out. But if you are short, you can't gain height. If anything, a height requirement is MORE offensive than these other things.
Bottom line there are many reasons why some peoplek are atrracted to short/tall people one that has been overlooked is Trophy= Woman want a man other women will want and any imperfection in that man too tall /too short big head / big nose ect. might affect how she feels she looks to her girlfriends and peers when with the man.
This is true, but it simply proves what these short guys have been saying. A good portion of it is a result of social height bigotry and not attraction. Some of these women want to feel like she's "accomplished something" by attracting the attention of a tall men. Tall men and short men are both statistically rare, but tall men are favored by society and short men are strongly penalized by society.
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 3:11:47 PM |
I have a question for the short people on this thread - why would you want someone who doesn't want you?
I'm not short, but this strikes me as an absurd question. It's like asking a black guy in the 1950's, "why would you want to eat at this restaurant when this restaurant doesn't want to serve your kind of people?"
I imagine that your philosophy would make sense to a 5'8" man. This man is only about an inch or two under average male height. He still has plenty of options with women and so it doesn't make sense for him to pursue shallow women who will automatically reject him because of his height. However, now imagine a 5'3" man. Suppose that 95% of all women automatically reject him, based on his height. Now what you're basically saying to him is "why would you want women at all? You are short, so you should be happy with celibacy. Never mind the fact that many of these women are taking their cues from the greater height bigotry that permeates our society, and not from feelings of individual attraction."  | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 4:01:37 PM | | ^^Your analogy sucks. Choose a romantic partner is not in the same realm of hiring or serving in the public sector... atleast not in my world. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 4:22:40 PM | Couple of points.
1. I can understand ladies not wanting to be with a guy shorter than them as I have little interest in being with a girl taller than me. Doesn't make you shallow though.
2. If a girl who is shorter than me doesn't want to be with me because I'm not 6 foot tall, she wasn't worth my time anyway. That would make her shallow and I have no time for that kind of person in my life. No loss in my eyes what so ever, no matter how "hot" she may or may not be. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 5:24:09 PM | "^^Your analogy sucks. Choose a romantic partner is not in the same realm of hiring or serving in the public sector... atleast not in my world"
your "world"?
I'm afraid I disagree.
in a way they are the same both parties are discriminating against someone purely on the basis of a trait they have no control over and nothing else. and in both cases it's offensive.
it's a valid comparison. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 6:51:21 PM |
^^Your analogy sucks. Choose a romantic partner is not in the same realm of hiring or serving in the public sector... atleast not in my world.
No, my analogy is valid as to the person being denied service on the basis of a trait that is often discriminated against but cannot be modified.
I'm not even really saying that rendering a public service is the same as accepting a date from someone. But what I am saying is that asking a short man why he would want to date a woman who didn't want to date his kind is as absurd as asking a black man why he would want to eat at a restaurant which didn't want to serve his kind.
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 7:19:39 PM |
gladiustoyou wrote: Bottom line there are many reasons why some people are atrracted to short/tall people one that has been overlooked is Trophy= Woman want a man other women will want and any imperfection in that man too tall /too short big head / big nose ect. might affect how she feels she looks to her girlfriends and peers when with the man.
Well, we all want someone we can be proud of to show off to our friends, family, and co-workers. In the end, though, it's how 2 people in a relationship get along with each other. If it's just a physical attraction, it won't last. That's why requiring a potential male suitor to be above a certain height is just stupid. Look at the person. Nobody's perfect. Ron Jeremy may have a huge endowment, but he's 5'6" and most women would consider a guy on the street looking like that ugly. Ron Jeremy is no Brad Pitt. Then again, Brad Pitt is probably not a Ron Jeremy either. Bill Gates may be the richest man in the world, but he's no Brad Pitt or Ron Jeremy. Arnold Schwarzenegger may be muscular, but he's probably not the most conversant guy on the planet either. The point is, nobody's perfect.
For the people who think that short guys are just "whining", the next time you go out, pay attention. Now really pay attention. How many women do you see who are with guys under 5'10"? If you see any, please do us a favor and take a picture of them on your cell phone and post it somewhere on the Internet and give us the URL link to it. Also, look for height discrepancies among tall men/short women couples. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 7:22:18 PM |
This seems like one of those pity threads where the fat people complain that thin women don't like them or where people with low-paying jobs complain that women only want guys who make a lot of money.
Actually, this thread is all about giving some poster's a chance to show their superiority over other online daters by calling them 'whiners.'
Check his feet - remember, big feet = big salami!
ummmm.....trust me, it doesn't ALWAYS!
I thank you from the bottom of my (size 8) soles.
If i am too tall...fine , too short....also fine. If you say I am a bore or am ugly or have no personality it would be different.
Nice - you managed to contradict yourself in a single sentence. 'Ugly' and 'short' are both relative terms, and are both physical characteristics. Someone might reject you for being ugly, where your ugliness, like lack of height, is beyond your control. If you're bothered by one, you should be bothered by the other.
Woman want a man other women will want and any imperfection in that man too tall /too short big head / big nose ect. might affect how she feels she looks to her girlfriends and peers when with the man.
I don't know why I'm spending my time on this ... but, choosing a mate based on the approval of others is probably not too bright, as your friends and peers are not going to have to live with the person - you are. And desiring a 'trophy' mate is probably not an indication of great depth in a person - you might even say the person was shallow. Oy.
1. I can understand ladies not wanting to be with a guy shorter than them as I have little interest in being with a girl taller than me. Doesn't make you shallow though.
Agreed. Not wanting to date a nice woman who's an inch taller than you doesn't make you shallow. It makes you kind of an idiot. And leaves another woman eligible for the rest of us.
It's kind of a slow night - no one's weighed in with a 'Napoleon complex' comment in awhile. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 7:40:49 PM |
I don't know why I'm spending my time on this ... but, choosing a mate based on the approval of others is probably not too bright, as your friends and peers are not going to have to live with the person - you are. And desiring a 'trophy' mate is probably not an indication of great depth in a person - you might even say the person was shallow. Oy.
Shhhhh... shallow is a term that can only be used for guys who want 36DD chests.
Check his feet - remember, big feet = big salami!
How does a man's foot size indicate his capability of retrieving large portions of Italian deli meat?
1. I can understand ladies not wanting to be with a guy shorter than them as I have little interest in being with a girl taller than me. Doesn't make you shallow though.
Like hell it doesn't. That's the whole spirit of the term shallow. At 5'5", if I had that attitude I'd be blanket eliminating around 40% of the female population. Who'd be stupid enough to wipe out such a sizable portion of the dating pool due to something as inconsequential as height... | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/1/2008 9:51:27 PM |
At 5'5", if I had that attitude I'd be blanket eliminating around 40% of the female population. Who'd be stupid enough to wipe out such a sizable portion of the dating pool due to something as inconsequential as height...
Funny you should ask.
A woman who has a requirement of 6'0" or taller is blanket eliminating 80% of the male population.
so...that's who.
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/2/2008 12:53:59 AM |
I have a question for the short people on this thread - why would you want someone who doesn't want you? It seems like you're trying to convince them to like you despite a lack of physical attraction.
For the most part no I would not want someone who did not want me. The issue is not about convincing someone to find short people attractive but to adress sterotypes and other unfair inequities that come form hight bigotry. it is not a matter of attraction for some women, it is a matter of social relations. This guy looks good on a date where as this guy doesnt. This is not about changing what people think is attractive, but more to the point, it is about changing peoples perspectives on stereotypes.
It's human nature to be attracted to certain physical features on a person of the opposite sex. Some women obviously are attracted to tall people, and that is fine. This seems like one of those pity threads where the fat people complain that thin women don't like them or where people with low-paying jobs complain that women only want guys who make a lot of money.
There is a differnce betwen human nature and attractiveness, over bigotry and projected insecuriteis ( telling someone is insecure because of your own issues). Tere are wokmen thsat are genuinly attracted to tall men. However they will date and Average hight male if he meets certain requirements and other preferences. That is called preference. If someone refused to date Average and short people alltogether, then that is a requirement. The reasoning behind some of these requirments is based upon self insecurities rather than attraction, and also world perceptions.
It's obvious that the short people are never going to have a chance with some some tall women (or some short women who only want tall guys). Whining about that fact isn't going to change anything. To improve your chances with other women who might prefer tall men, but who are a little more open-minded about it, you just need to improve the other aspects of your life that you can control, such as your physical appearance (e.g., by dressing well and staying in shape) and by having a decent job.
^^^^While a tall man does not have to do these things? Most tall men do not have to have these qualities you ask about. Furthermore, what is your definition of a decent job. For one woman it could be just enough to pay his few nessisary bills, for other women it is CEO of some organization, preferably multi-national. Not all men fit into these catagories and some have it harder than others to go back to college, work at a better industry than the one they have chosen, anfd stay in shape.
Whoes whining? This is not about be moaning why we cant get dates and wishing that every tall woman give us a chance ( sorry most woken who have posted here on this subject, I would not date if I was rich and tall because of other issues they proved they have). Thois is not about complaining about not geting dates and beging for chances. it is about opening up comunication | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/2/2008 5:20:55 AM |
norseviking869 wrote: Whoes whining? This is not about be moaning why we cant get dates and wishing that every tall woman give us a chance ( sorry most woken who have posted here on this subject, I would not date if I was rich and tall because of other issues they proved they have). Thois is not about complaining about not geting dates and beging for chances. it is about opening up comunication
Well said, Norse brother. If we wanted dates, then we'd go a viking and sail to distant lands, kill their men and steal their women. BTW, the average height of a Viking was 5'7". I don't think anyone would accuse them of being "unmanly" or "not man enough". | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/2/2008 6:58:36 AM |
I have a question for the short people on this thread - t why would you want someone who doesn't want you? It seems like you're trying to convince them to like you despite a lack of physical attraction.
Lack of physical attraction? I have known some guys who were shorter than me (I am 5'6" tall) and they were very attractive. Just because a guy is short does not make him unattractive. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/2/2008 1:12:32 PM | That's the whole spirit of the term shallow. At 5'5", if I had that attitude I'd be blanket eliminating around 40% of the female population.
That statement suggests that you're not shallow becasue your height is considered less attractive. The same reasoning would say that overweight women are not shallow, because they were not biased against average weight people. It suggests that you would be shallow if you were taller, you're only 'deep' because you have no choice.
(Satsumo lights fuse, runs away) | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/2/2008 10:35:05 PM | If you haven't seen the documentary S&M: Short and Male take a look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRCQJO77U3I | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/3/2008 4:14:25 PM | | ^^^^Very good link I wish the whole documentary was linked rather than having to click on each portion of it. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/3/2008 4:49:36 PM |
That statement suggests that you're not shallow becasue your height is considered less attractive. The same reasoning would say that overweight women are not shallow, because they were not biased against average weight people. It suggests that you would be shallow if you were taller, you're only 'deep' because you have no choice.
(Satsumo lights fuse, runs away)
The point of the statement was to illustrate the ridiculousness of a such a requirement. I do have a choice. I could eliminate any woman not shorter than me, but I don't. It really makes no difference one way or another to me how tall/short a woman is.
I'm not shallow because I know better than that. It has nothing to do with my height. If I were taller I'd have the same personality and as such the same values and principles. I'm far more concerned with a woman's intelligence, personality, and principles than I am with what she looks like. Attraction is far more mental than physical for me. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/3/2008 11:21:27 PM | norseviking869...
The clips on youtube of "S&M: Short and Male" are just a few of a larger 86 minute documentary. Check out shortandmalethemovie.com for more info. Not sure if it ran yet, but Men's Health is also doing an indepth article on short males and how they are treated by women and society. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/4/2008 2:17:47 AM | There's an interesting article called "Should Tall Women Date Short Men?" by Jillita Horton. Google it and give it a read.  | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/6/2008 1:39:28 PM | | Women who say they won't date short guys because of the "little man syndrome" are hypocrites. I've often heard of tall men being aggressive and bullying short men when they see a short guy with a hot woman. Why is it alright for tall guys to be aggressive but not short guys? | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/6/2008 2:49:35 PM | Personaly, I've never run across any short guys with "short man syndrome" and I've known a lot of shorter men over the years. My experience is, if they feel the need to compensate for anything, it is most often with humour.
I've only known one who admitted to using agression and that was targetted at the biggest kid he could find when starting a new school (He moved around a lot as a kid). He discovered if he picked a fight with the biggest kid on the first day, the bullies would leave him alone the rest of the year. A useful tactic he abandoned when he finished school. Now, he'll debate your ear off but you'll never see him get aggresive.
I spent a good number of years in my youth bartending and all the men I encountered who displayed aggressive tendancies were average to tall. I don't recall one fight where the initiator was short. Though, I will admit they seemed, on average, less inclined than taller men to run away from a fight. | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/6/2008 6:16:33 PM | It doesn't bother me at all that women want a tall man. I actually prefer a short woman -- so I understand these desires for certain physical characteristics. I am somewhere between 5'7" and 5'8" (I round up ) and I'm not comfortable with women who are taller than I am. I want to hold my girl in my arms and see her looking lovingly up at me while we stand together. So pretty much, 5'0" to 5'4" is the ideal range. Women wear heels sometimes, and I still want them shorter than I am. Actually I love it when my girl is wearing heels and then takes them off later in our privacy. And she looks so small and lovable, and I want to hold her and protect her from all the big mean tall people in the world.  | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/6/2008 8:12:00 PM |
Women who say they won't date short guys because of the "little man syndrome" are hypocrites. I've often heard of tall men being aggressive and bullying short men when they see a short guy with a hot woman. Why is it alright for tall guys to be aggressive but not short guys?
This is the answer I saw in an article today:
Goldberg says, according to a renowned psychologist he interviewed, "There's no evidence a Napoleon complex exists, no evidence short men are disproportionately aggressive. Aggression is equal among all heights."
We just notice it more when it's coming from a short person, he says, just as we notice little dogs in the park yapping and pestering bigger dogs.
"There's something incongruous about loud, aggressive behaviour coming from a short, compact package," he says, "whereas you expect aggression and pushiness from a larger, more dominating person. When a shorter man, who does not in your subconscious equal dominant, begins to behave dominantly, it's comical, memorable – and repulsive."
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/6/2008 8:12:24 PM | | God. I come from the midwest where I was the shortest woman in the class, almost. All they guys are over 6 ft. Anyway, I tower over so many people here in the NE men & women. I don't want to date men I feel like I can pick up and carry across the room and throw in the bed. That's not my job!!!! | |
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| Ladies: your take on short guys?
Posted: 5/7/2008 4:33:09 AM |
I want to hold my girl in my arms and see her looking lovingly up at me while we stand together.
Perhaps it's just me, but this makes me want to barf.
Anyway, I tower over so many people here in the NE men & women.
At 5'6", you're about three inches shorter than the average man. Even in the dreaded four inch heels you do not 'tower' over any significant part of the population. I wasn't aware of a huge height disparity between the Midwest and New England. Given the frequency with which Americans move around, it's hard to see how this could be. On the other hand, Midwesterners seem to vote for a**holes with regrettable frequency, so anything is possible. | |
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