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Posted: 6/29/2008 10:30:51 PM |
Ok problem with a lot of people is this. On a normal day say some obese person eats 4000 cals for example. They decide to diet and cut down to 1000-1500 cals, basically starving. They do this for a while and their body gets used to that amount of calories. At some point they give up and go back to their normal eating habits. When they cut down to 1500 cals, sure they lost weight. When you go back to your original eating habits (4000 cals), you will gain weight. Everything you lost will be back and much more. It's why you need to count how many calories you eating and cut down calories a bit. Maintain the same diet and do a lot of cardio/weight lifting. If you want to cut down calories again go ahead but not too much. Keep cutting calories at a controlled pace.
In the last month, I dropped my calories to between 1200 and 1500 calories. Yes, I have lost. (5 pounds btw  ) But, can I be honest.... I went to bed with my tummy growling everynight. It growled all the day long actually. I ignored it, hoping it would just get used to the calorie cut. During the last few weeks, I've also walked... A LOT!! Several miles a day. I don't drive at all, so the several miles was on top of normal trips to the store or whatever.
I was feeling really really weak a few days ago... and decided to bump my intake up to between 1500 and 2000. Depending on the level of workout I am doing. This past weekend was a very high cardio weekend for me. Lots of festivals here this weekend (I avoided the festival foods too!!)
I am not feeling as hungry as I was before.... but still a bit.
I never really was the type to mindlessly shuvel in lots and lots of food. Rather... my choices and portion sizes were poor. I already made a post of that being a huge issue in America.
DIET and CARDIO = Losing weight
Cardio is the bane of my existance!! ...but I must face my fear 
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P.S. Do we ever consider that being mean and just out right rude to people (like on the message boards) just may be a contribiter to why some people over eat? I am not saying we are forcing people to eat... but maybe it's hendering them from actually going out to do something? Even I will admit that I am terrified to go to the park and do my walking lunges. I am okay walking down the street to the park or downtown... but to actually do something that requires putting myself out there.... I freeze up. Terrified that someone will tell me to "stop shuveling the food in" and I will lose weight. Rather than accept that I am there to improve myself. I do them at home... but the park would give me much more space. I am happy to be trying to not be a "lazy fattie" (a comment I have seen through many threads on here). Just sometimes, when trying to read and learn how to do this better... I have to wade through the bashing and accusing ALL fat people of not caring about health. | |
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| 2/3d's US overweight or obese????
Posted: 6/29/2008 10:48:48 PM |
P.S. Do we ever consider that being mean and just out right rude to people (like on the message boards) just may be a contribiter to why some people over eat? I am not saying we are forcing people to eat... but maybe it's hendering them from actually going out to do something? Even I will admit that I am terrified to go to the park and do my walking lunges. I am okay walking down the street to the park or downtown... but to actually do something that requires putting myself out there.... I freeze up. Terrified that someone will tell me to "stop shuveling the food in" and I will lose weight. Rather than accept that I am there to improve myself. I do them at home... but the park would give me much more space. I am happy to be trying to not be a "lazy fattie" (a comment I have seen through many threads on here). Just sometimes, when trying to read and learn how to do this better... I have to wade through the bashing and accusing ALL fat people of not caring about health.
Amen!
If I want to go for a jog, I have to get my ass out of bed at around 6 a.m. (after getting home at midnight) because I really, really can't stand the comments and stares I get from other joggers who happen to be in perfect shape. Sometimes, if I'm feeling especially irritated, I might shoot back something about at least making an effort to improve myself, rather than giving up and doing nothing; but those moments are few and far between. I'd run on the treadmill, but it doesn't feel the same as running in the fresh air and it's such a shame that people have to be so closed minded and bigoted that they can't keep their OWN big mouth shut without talking about mine. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 11:31:05 PM |
Even I will admit that I am terrified to go to the park and do my walking lunges. I am okay walking down the street to the park or downtown... but to actually do something that requires putting myself out there.... I freeze up. Terrified that someone will tell me to "stop shuveling the food in" and I will lose weight.
Psychological issues. I have never seen or heard of anyone criticising an overweight person exercising anywhere at any time, with the exception of the next post. Very few people ever approach anyone else exercising for any reason at all- let alone fat people. Most people are wearing headphones when exercising anyhow.
Getting past the psychological barrier will help your situation. People do not criticise people who are in the process of genuine self improvement.
I really, really can't stand the comments and stares I get from other joggers who happen to be in perfect shape.... it's such a shame that people have to be so closed minded and bigoted that they can't keep their OWN big mouth shut without talking about mine.
Again- psychological. Like I said, everyone wears headphones and no one ever approaches other people exercising. They certainly do not stop to criticise a passing jogger. Getting yourself over this psychological barrier will be a step in the right direction for you too. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 12:03:03 AM | | So what if people stare? Geesh people used to stare at me a lot but who cares. Eventually I was riding more and more and people ended up staring for different reasons. Who you care what other people think? You do whatever you can do lose the weight for health reasons. I was sick with heart burn, acid reflux and liver problems. I still worked full 8 to 10 hours a day and still biked at least 4 hours daily. Even in winter I ride my bike to work if I couldn't ride all the way I would walk my bike. I never made any excuses. I could have made tons of excuse not to exercise. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 12:44:56 AM | I heard on NPR, that over 70% of Americans are to large to fit in the standard size seatbelts, used by US car manufacturers.... Holly crap!!
What a lot of people don't understand is that it's SUGAR that makes you fat and it's much worse than fat. SUGAR is the enemy. That whole less fat, no fat craze is a farce and a great way to take advantage of uneducated ignorant people who are overweight. An uneducated mind will think that "eating fat makes you fat", makes perfect sense. Yeah, eating to much fat is unhealthy (just like anything else) and will make you overweight, BUT sugar is much much worse. Actually saturated fat is what you really wanna watch out for. In fact a lot of products that say less fat or no fat, have more sugar than the regular version of that brand, especially yogurts. But you shouldn't cut sugar out of your diet, just like anything else, but it is very important to keep it low. Get natural sugars from fruit and NATURAL fruit juices (which means read the label and stay away from things like corn syrup, cane sugar, sucrose, and sugar). Besides fruit is very important if you want to stay healthy. :D
I think the biggest problem is people just eat the wrong amounts of food in the morning and at night. When you eat breakfast, you need to eat the largest meal of the day, because it resets your metabolism for that day. If you eat a large meal, then your metabolism is set very high and your body will burn food off more quickly during the course of that day. But a lot of women these days, especially teenage girls, eat almost nothing in the morning then they're so hungry at night they eat a full dinner then go to sleep... then wonder why they can't loose any weight. You should eat something small at night because you won't be active at night to burn it off.
Did you know if you constantly starve your self as a teen or a child, when you grow up your metabolism will be most likely permanently lowered? Which means no amount of exercise will save you, and all the gym memberships in the world can't help you. THAT’S WHY it's important to teach our children how to eat healthy, and most importantly HOW MUCH to eat at different times of the day. A lot of high school girls try to stay skinny by not eating, but they're actually ruining their bodies and slowly becoming the one thing they're trying not to be!
AND I'm getting really #$%&in fed up of most of the women in every dating site listing themselves as average, when they're at the very least "a little extra". Most of the girls who contact me on any dating site, especially this one, list themselves as average. So I look at their pictures and they're no where near average. I'm almost ready to just give up on all these sites. Nearly everyone lies, and it corrupts all my search results. :( | |
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| 2/3d's US overweight or obese????
Posted: 6/30/2008 1:35:14 AM |
Again- psychological. Like I said, everyone wears headphones and no one ever approaches other people exercising. They certainly do not stop to criticise a passing jogger. Getting yourself over this psychological barrier will be a step in the right direction for you too.
"everyone", "no one" and "do not" are pretty finite clauses especially when you're talking to someone who HAS had trouble with people commenting. When people are saying things to you it does not constitute as a "psychological barrier". Having body image issues, being overly shy and having social anxiety disorder are psychological issues that myself and maybe others are getting help for. It's not as simple as "getting" .."over" it. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 4:50:26 AM |
social anxiety disorder Whoa there tiger.
I tutored someone once with social anxiety disorder, she was homeschooled, too afraid to go outdoors . She imagined that people said and did all kinds of things they did not. Everyone was staring at her, people were whispering about her, any conversation she heard must be people making fun of her in some way and so forth. She had weight issues as well, aggravated by her desire to stay indoors. The problem compounded itself of course.
It is all in your imagination. All of it. No one is laughing at you, no one is whispering about you, there is no hidden meaning in peoples looks, people do not stop and tell you you are fat when you are running.
But... I am not a therapist so my words are not going to mean anything to you. This is for all the other people who are deciding whethere they should go out and run, not you. Folks, no one will judge you for genuine self improvement. Go out and do it. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 7:03:58 AM | I know I can do it. In the last month-and-a-half alone I've lost 10 pounds of fat and gained a few pounds (can't remember the actual number the trainer gave me) of lean muscle.
One way to track whether or not total body composition is improving, when you can't measure a weight loss, is by measurement. If your chest, waist, hip, thigh sizes are decreasing then that means that you are increasing your lean body mass. If your clothes fit looser -- same thing.
One caution about body composition testing. Bioimpedance is VERY inaccurate. The most accurate way of measuring body composition is by DEXA or underwater weighing. However, those are expensive and you need special equipment. Calipers can be pretty accurate, but that accuracy depends on the ability of the person administering the test. Hopefully a trainer is well-trained in administering a caliper test.
The most important part of losing weight is keeping with it and not giving up. If you don't see weight loss after a while, adjust your calories and your exercise routine. Sometimes if you drop the calories too low, or your protein levels are too low for the amount of exercise you do, you will find your body hangs on to weight. INCREASING those calories and changing nutrient composition, can actually increase weight loss when calories have been restricted too much. It can take a lot of tweaking sometimes.
In the last month, I dropped my calories to between 1200 and 1500 calories. Yes, I have lost. (5 pounds btw ) But, can I be honest.... I went to bed with my tummy growling everynight. It growled all the day long actually. I ignored it, hoping it would just get used to the calorie cut. During the last few weeks, I've also walked... A LOT!! Several miles a day. I don't drive at all, so the several miles was on top of normal trips to the store or whatever.
You probably dropped your calories too low. Someone who is overweight requires more calories than a person who is normal weight. While most overweight and obese peole carry a lot of fat, they also carry a lot of lean body mass (it's just the proportions that are off). In weight loss programs it is the goal to lose mostly fat, and little lean body mass.
In massive weight loss, you WILL lose lean body mass, because often the goal weight is below the amount of LBM.
A good place to start with a weight loss diet is 10 calories a pound. So that means for a person who is 200 pounds, 2,000 calories, and you should try not to go below 8 calories per pound. You will adjust calories downwards as you lose weight (or you may not -- I never did because my muscle mass in pounds didn't change that much).
I don't believe in traditional low-carb diets, but in diets that limit high-glycemic load foods. Those are foods that increase the postprandial (after a meal) insulin response. In order to use the glycemic index/load you need to know which foods are high and low GI. The best database in the world is through the University of Sydney. Australia officially uses the glycemic load instead of carb counting for type-2 diabetes:
http://www.glycemicindex.com/
The site is run by Jennie-Brand Miller, one of the leading experts in the world on the GI.
You should note that the glycemic index is an AVERAGE. Some people will have an insulin reponse to foods that others do not. For example, a small number of people react to diet sodas the same as if they ate sugar. If that happens to you, then you should make note of it and not eat that particular food. This doesn't only occur with artificial chemicals. It also happens with real foods.
I am happy to be trying to not be a "lazy fattie" (a comment I have seen through many threads on here). Just sometimes, when trying to read and learn how to do this better... I have to wade through the bashing and accusing ALL fat people of not caring about health.
In most gyms or hiking trails you're going to find people being encouraging that you're trying to improve your health. When people feel self-conscious they can sometimes inaccurately interpret the "stares" and comments of others.
When I was very overweight and started walking and later lifting, I found a lot of smiles from people on the trail and lots of help at the gym with proper techniques in the freeweight room. I wasn't looking for disapproval, and I never found it. What I did find was after months of working out, losing weight, and passing the same people on the trail, I'd start getting thumbs up when I passed -- their encouragement to keep it up.
To this day, I try to pay that kindness back, and always chat up newbies at the gym (regardless of body weight) and help those who want the help with form so that they don't injure themselves with the freeweights.
I really, really can't stand the comments and stares I get from other joggers who happen to be in perfect shape.
I think you are probably being oversensitive. There are a lot more nice people in the world then there are azzholes. See my comments above.
Make friends with the people who encourage you. Forget the morons, and let them eat your dust when you're in better shape than they are!  | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 8:07:46 AM |
One caution about body composition testing. Bioimpedance is VERY inaccurate.
I didn't believe this until I bought some cheap knock off BF scale. The only thing it is good for is telling me how much I weigh because the BF feature on it is useless. Now I know why it only cost 20 bucks.
It gave me a totally different BF percentage 15 minutes later.
Stick with Tanita scales. There is a reason why they are 60 dollars or more. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 11:27:02 AM |
have never seen or heard of anyone criticising an overweight person exercising anywhere at any time,
Well... now you're hearing about it.
I have had people walk up to me MANY times and tell me to work out at home because it grosses them out to see me sweating or running. People HAVE come up to me while trying to do yoga or something to tell me if I'd stop eating all together, I wouldn't need to work out. Some have handed me papers with diet tips or the phone number to the local weight loss company.
People DO approach us when exersizing. And NOW you are hearing about it.
And people absolutely approach us while we're eating. Like I said, I'll be eating a yogurt or banana after a long walk only to have someone tell me I need to put the food down and lose weight.
These things DO happen. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 11:34:25 AM | Originally published June 30 2008
Being Physically Active More Important Than Being Lean, Says Research
by David Gutierrez
(NaturalNews) Your physical fitness is more important than your weight in protecting your health, according to a new study conducted by researchers at the University of South Carolina and published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
Researchers followed 2,600 people over the age of 59 for 12 years, monitoring their physical fitness, obesity and mortality. Participants were ranked for fitness based on how long they could walk on a treadmill as the incline increased. Measures of obesity taken included body mass index, waist circumference and body fat percentage.
Participants were divided into fifths based on how well they scored on the treadmill test. Those in the lowest fifth were four times more likely to die during the study period as those in the top fifth.
"Being fit provides protection against mortality in these men and women 60 and older, whether they're normal weight, overweight or obese," said researcher Stephen Blair.
Even a small difference in fitness translated into a large difference in mortality -- even when compared only with the next highest group, those in the lowest fitness group were still twice as likely to die. Blair said this showed that overweight people should not be discouraged from exercising, even if they are out of shape and can only manage a little at first.
"If you're overweight or obese and you're sedentary and unfit and you start taking three 10-minute walks a day and you do that at least five days a week, you're not going to lose an enormous amount of weight," Blair said.
"You're going to still be heavy. But you're going to be much healthier if you do that."
Blair noted that it is still important to maintain a healthy weight and eat a good diet, particularly one high in fruits, vegetables and whole grains.
"But what happens all too often is we focus nearly exclusively on obesity and forget the activity and fitness part."
http://www.naturalnews.com/z023537.html
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So, walking is only healthier than not walking, and doesn't really take off much weight. Walking burns about 300-400 calories/hour @4 mph, which is about 3 slices of bread, a hamburger or hotdog bun. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 11:38:05 AM | It is all in your imagination. All of it. No one is laughing at you, no one is whispering about you, there is no hidden meaning in peoples looks, people do not stop and tell you you are fat when you are running.
So - you're telling me that it's ALL in my imagination? That someone REALLY didn't walk up to me as I was stretching out the other day and ask me what my diet was like and offered to give me some tips on how to lose weight. And that the person who saw me running, who stopped and told me that because I was "so fat" that it was too much strain on my knees and to try aqua aerobics with the "grannies" was also in my imagination? That it was completely in my imagination that someone told me that all I had to do was put the fork down and I'd lose weight while I was eating with a friend one day? Really? it's all in my imagination? Wow - because you know, in that case, my friend who was with me must be imagining the EXACT same thing as I did./sarcasm
Attitudes like yours piss me off. Just because it's never happened to YOU doesn't mean that it doesn't in fact happen to other people and to brush it off as being all in the "imagination" is cruel.
And no - you aren't a therapist, or a psychiatrist, so your opinion means very little. I have my team working with me - helping me with my anxiety problems and their opinion is the only one that matters in this regard. You do not know me, do not know the severity of my anxiety, nor have you walked in my shoes - so you can take your condescending tone elsewhere.
flyonthewall - The stares I can understand as being interpreted as overly sensitive but it is an issue that goes along with social anxiety. The comments though, are not misinterpreted and while I have seen a few people who look encouraging, more or less people keep to themselves which is the same thing I try to do. It's a long process on dealing with my anxiety disorder and it takes a hell of a lot of willpower sometimes to do very simple things. But other times, you take 3 steps back; like deciding not to go to the movies alone because there were simply too many people and you started having a small anxiety attack in the car. Some days are better than others. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 11:43:23 AM |
So, walking is only healthier than not walking, and doesn't really take off much weight. Walking burns about 300-400 calories/hour @4 mph, which is about 3 slices of bread, a hamburger or hotdog bun.
LOL... come walk with me honey ;) I think you'll understand why I've turned it into my cardio. Hehe!!
Like I said... it's on top of the other walking to the store or where ever I need to go. Busses usually stop at the far end of a parking lot too. How many people actually park their car that far into the parking lot to walk.
Anyway... it seems to be working for me. But then again, it's a hell of alot longer than 10 minute walks for me. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 11:58:50 AM | """ But... I am not a therapist so my words are not going to mean anything to you. This is for all the other people who are deciding whethere they should go out and run, not you. Folks, no one will judge you for genuine self improvement. Go out and do it"""
Go back and read this whole thread. ALL the comments. Tell me that there are not people even in this thread who would not judge me... or any other large person.... if they saw us jogging, walking lunges, yoga, or eating a salad (with dressing).... and not judge us?
It is the people who have made the rudest remarks on this thread who DO judge us... and DO approach us with some comment or another.
YES! Yes.... I know logically that these people who do this ARE below those of us actually doing something. *I* KNOW that they obviously are lacking in their own self esteme in order to even consider going to a stranger and telling them to "stop eating and you'll get better". I KNOW the psycholigical things that go with it all. However, I ALSO know the heavy heart beat and blood racing and nervous sweats that come when someone does/says these things too. I know the tears that come. Not just from what they say, but from working out SO hard that day or week or month... only to have it shuved in your face that until you look like them, they will not see you as a person. Feeling the frustration of the slow process. Knowing it's the healthy way to do it... but in that moment... wishing you could just take a knive and cut everything off. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2008 2:17:56 PM |
Go back and read this whole thread. ALL the comments. Tell me that there are not people even in this thread who would not judge me... or any other large person.... if they saw us jogging, walking lunges, yoga, or eating a salad (with dressing).... and not judge us?
Of course they would. With comments like "stop shoveling food in your mouth" and "fatties" flung about most weight related threads on this forum, it's a testament to just how much the anonymity of the internet can set free the ***hole in everyone. Unfortunately, some people d0n't need the internet as a barrier, and have no problem insulting a stranger to their face.
I wouldn't pay any mind to the pof'ers who swear these insults are 'all in our minds.' PoF is full of armchair experts (and I don't necessarily exclude myself from this category), and many of them likely want to believe that human beings are generally good. I have no such illusions.
I've gotten comments like the ones you guys have suffered, but I reassure myself that I could probably outlast any of those a$$holes in a run. Fifty-five minutes of high cardio running 3-4 a week, another 45minutes of weight training in the same, and I'm sure any creep who call's out "fat pig" when I decide to go for a run outside rather than at the gym would fall over wheezing if he tried to test my stamina.
Therapy helps, but it isn't a cure-all. We just have to develop thick skin, and accept ourselves for who we are rather than trying to force ourselves into these ridiculous molds. You don't have to prove anything to anybody except yourself.
Good luck with getting fit, Halokitty and Spiceycougar! Don't let anyone convince you that you're anything less than wonderful. | |
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| 2/3d's US overweight or obese????
Posted: 7/1/2008 12:58:23 AM |
Overweight people are ENVIRONMENTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE. Not only do they consume more than their fair share of food, that food had to be grown/raised, processed, packaged, shipped, trucked, stored, possibly frozen or refrigerated, etc. A lot of energy and fossil fuels are used for this.
This is a very, very slippery slope you're on. Go to a gym? You're using more electricity than an overweight person who doesn't, you're environmentally irresponsible. Have a child? You're twice as bad as the overweight person for producing another person that must be fed, given shelter, educated, and have health care provided for. Environmentally irresponsible, no?
We could also look at it from another perspective, overweight people eating more creates more jobs, and they spend more money on food products, furthering the health of the economy. They also concede a position or employment at a job requiring hard labor, making it easier for you to obtain a job.
As far as health care goes in Canada, I'll agree with you there. Once someone has to pay for other people's choices and decisions, there's a problem.
As a disclaimer, I definitely don't condone being overweight, and I don't believe at all that it's a good decision to make. I made that decision as a kid, and now I'm well on my way to correcting that problematic decision. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 2:15:15 AM | | I don't know anyone who woke up one day and CHOSE to be overweight. Who actively thought "yes, I'm going to be over weight. That is my goal". | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 2:27:11 AM | | You make choices that you consciously know will lead to you becoming overweight. So no, your goal may not be to become overweight, but we all know that if you make a certain lifestyle choice you're going to become overweight. In a nutshell, anyone who's overweight (including myself) has made a decision to become overweight. The only people (as far as I'm concerned) who doesn't choose to become overweight is a small child who doesn't know the consequences of over-eating. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 7:23:50 AM |
Overweight people are ENVIRONMENTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE. Not only do they consume more than their fair share of food, that food had to be grown/raised, processed, packaged, shipped, trucked, stored, possibly frozen or refrigerated, etc. A lot of energy and fossil fuels are used for this.
Ummm....
I have talked about this before... guess I will again.
I have a friend who is a size two. I love her to death... but my god the woman can eat!!! She will eat a pizza, some Chipotle, McDonnalds, a bucket of chicken, Little Debbies; THEN make herself a pot roast with fixins for dinner. This is all in one day.
In a single day, *I*... the, what did you call me, "ENVIRONMENTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE", one.... eat 1 fruit for lunch and a cup of yogurt (usually try to use my own dishes so I don't have more waste than I need), a protein bar; protein shake (in my own cup/cantainer; dinner, that I cook for myself. Oh wait, I get it,.... the "ENVIRONMENTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE" is because I use eggs... isn't it? I throw away my egg shells. Og gosh!! I never meant to be SOOO wasteful.
BUT... because I am the overweight person, I am the more "ENVIRONMENTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE" one. No matter how much more food my thin friends eat.
Overweight people are also a BURDEN ON HEALTH CARE. In Canada, our taxes go to pay for everyone's health care, and I resent paying toward the health care of people who CHOSE (mostly) to be overweight/obese and have the associated health problems.
I haven't been to a doctor in 4 years. The last time I had to go to a Dr, he took one look at me, told me my problem was because of my weight. Go home, lose weight, and we will see if things change. The next year, I had to have surgery to remove a HUGE mass from my uterus as well as remove one of my overies.... all because a Dr didn't take time to look past my weight.
In Canada, our taxes go to pay for everyone's health care
Well, in America, we gotta pay for our own sh*t..... including health care!! | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 7:46:06 AM |
Sorry it pisses you off to hear you're environmentally irresponsible and irresponsible in general pretty much.
It pisses me off that you are assuming that I, HelloKitty, and all overweight people are environmentally irresponsible. You know nothing about me!! You have no idea how I live my life! Do not assume that I, and people like me, do not grow our own food if/when we can. Do not accuse those of us that support local farmers rather than buy things brought in on trucks of being environmentally irresponsible!! I do not own a car!! For several reasons... the main one being I live in a city and do not need to waste gas going to a store which is two blocks away or a park which is a mile walk away. The busses here run on Bio-Fuel. DO NOT ASSUME I AM ENVIROMENTALLY IRRISPONSIBLE!!!!
I don't want to pay for your diabetes/heart disease/cancer/gastric bypass ....
Move to America and you won't have to!
The upside of which is... when you need put into a nursing home, we won't have to pay for your stupid diaper changes.
Sorry truth hurts.
Yeah.... maybe you should learn some truth for yourself... and enjoy the abuse of it! | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 7:59:36 AM |
What you say/do comes back three fold, remember. When you say or do rotten things, expect results in kind.
Scientifically proven  "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction" Also, the Law of Attraction. When you think it/speak it... it will happen. What goes around, comes around. (usually threefold... sometimes more so).
...but this is a topic for another thread on another forum  | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 8:13:01 AM | What a weird topic of conversation. One's environmental footprint involves multiples of lifestyle choices, the least of which is how much you weigh. A person who's a size 2 can leave a tiny carbon print, or a huge one. Same for a fat person.
How much gas does your car use? How big is your car? How many cars do you have? How much do you drive? How often do you travel? Stay in hotels? Eat in restaurants? Attend movies, the theater? Go to the gym? Do you have more than one home?
All of the above would add MUCH more to the carbon print of an individual person than body weight. And the above are all lifestyle choices. A bigger body, a smaller body, even a 1,000 pound body, an elephant, a cheetah, a chimpanzee -- not that much difference.
Similarly the health care system pays for much more than obesity. Do you smoke? Take recreational drugs? Drink too much? Ride a motorcycle? Skydive? Pilot a small plane? Like bungee jumping? Eat a diet that consists entirely of prime rib? People make all sorts of lifestyle choices that might cost the health care system money. The price we pay in a free society is that we will wind up paying for other people's choices in our taxes and insurance rates. Don't like that? Move to Singapore where they'll throw you in jail for littering.
I'm all for being healthy, and taking responsibility for maintaining a fit, healthy body. I've done that my entire life, except for a small period of time when I just wasn't paying enough attention. But it's still a personal choice, and some people don't want to put the substantial amount of work that can be involved in that effort if you are metabolically unblessed. Some people will put in some effort, but not enough to be normal weight.
It's a personal choice. There are prices to be paid for being fat, for smoking, for taking drugs, or even bungee jumping. In a free society, they are your choices to make. I only make decisions for me, and don't bother speculating on why others make different choices. | |
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| 2/3d's US overweight or obese????
Posted: 7/1/2008 10:17:59 AM |
I've gotten comments like the ones you guys have suffered, but I reassure myself that I could probably outlast any of those a$$holes in a run. Fifty-five minutes of high cardio running 3-4 a week, another 45minutes of weight training in the same, and I'm sure any creep who call's out "fat pig" when I decide to go for a run outside rather than at the gym would fall over wheezing if he tried to test my stamina.
true that! i am quite confident when i say that i am more fit than someone who weighs less than me. i KNOW that i'm more fit than a lot of those gym bunnies; being skinny doesn't mean that you're physically fit or even eat healthy. =P after all, you gotta work harder when you weight more. so, you gotta be in better shape to do the same thing as someone, who's skinnier than you; eh? | |
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| 2/3d's US overweight or obese????
Posted: 7/1/2008 10:25:08 AM |
I ALSO know the heavy heart beat and blood racing and nervous sweats that come when someone does/says these things too. I know the tears that come. Not just from what they say, but from working out SO hard that day or week or month... only to have it shuved in your face that until you look like them, they will not see you as a person. Feeling the frustration of the slow process. Knowing it's the healthy way to do it... but in that moment... wishing you could just take a knive and cut everything off.
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to avoid myself from feeling frusterated or any other negative feelings, i put on my favourite ch00ns & focus SOLEY on that. i treat my work outs as a chance to get out of the house to do a favourite hobby of mine: sweat, raise my heart rate, & listen to my sweet sweet music!!! & weight loss/muscle gain/lower blood pressure/etc... is just an added bonus. =P | |
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| 2/3d's US overweight or obese????
Posted: 7/1/2008 10:34:17 AM | Several studies have shown that it's better for a fat person to fit, than to be fat and unfit. Super duh, but confirmation is always welcome.
Exercise will offset some of the negatives of fat, like 20+ hormones excreted by fat, chronic inflammation, insulin resistance, pre-diabetes, CVD risk.
If one exercises enough to be truly fit, aerobic and anaerobic, then why is one still fat, since "everybody" swears that weight loss depends on exercise?
A couple of possibilities:
1. exercise really doesn't make a big impact on weight loss (compared to caloric deficit).
2. one is still eating too much (caloric breakeven or surplus), and probably of the wrong stuff. | |
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