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| Miles Davis & Sex Pistols In Hall Of Fame
Posted: 9/20/2008 8:19:28 AM | ^^^ you obviously haven't heard Miles from the 1968 to 1975 period. He fused jazz with rock, funk, psychedelic to create an excellent collaberation of the styles. Listen to any of the live albums in that period, or "Jack Johnson"...or even "On the Corner"... and you might get a feel as to why he was introduced to the RRHOF.
As far as the Sex Pistols go...I think there were other bands doing what they did before them...and even doing it better...but it was the marketiing of the band and the influence that they had on others...that would have gotten them the 'nod'. | |
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| Miles Davis & Sex Pistols In Hall Of Fame
Posted: 9/20/2008 8:43:32 AM | Vindicator, great point and you correctly point out a great body of work. But, my understanding of the Rock Hall induction criteria is that they honored what was classified and marketed a ROCK acts, not jazz/fusion aritsts who cross over.
In any Jazz hall of fame, Miles would be rightly inducted and most deserving. But, any Miles Davis bio clearly labels him as jazz. That he happened to make a contribution to rock, while admirable, is not how the Rock hall was set up, initially. It was designed to honor and house established rock acts only. But, within the last 10 years, the "rules" have changed along the way to where those outside the rock genre are welcomed, mostly based on record sales. To me, it would be like Garth Brooks getting inducted in because he covered KISS's "Hard Luck Woman." Crossover artists were not initially among those that used to be considered, but clearly that's changed. If it allows fusion aritsts to get it, well, then there's a whole new list of bands & singers to get in that otherwise wouldn't under the old rules.
What I have a problem with is the Hall's snub of progressive groups like RUSH and YES, but Madonna & Grandmaster Flash see the light of day?
I agree with you totally with regards to your points on the Sex Pistols. Contrary to popular belief, they were not the pioneers of punk, which makes their induction somewhat puzzling to me. Don't get me wrong, I love the Pistols as much as the next person, but it just irks me to no end that Atlantic Records and Warner Brothers acts get first consideration for induction before other more deserving bands on other labels, regardless of their genre. | |
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| Miles Davis & Sex Pistols In Hall Of Fame
Posted: 9/20/2008 1:59:41 PM | Vindicator's right. It is referred to as Miles Davis's "electric period." Just like when Bob Dylan "went electric" so did Davis.
I think "Bi1ches Brew" (1969) was his most famous rock influenced work from that time.
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| Miles Davis & Sex Pistols In Hall Of Fame
Posted: 9/21/2008 5:00:04 PM | ThatGuy, Bob Dylan "electrified" folk in 1965. Miles Davis went "electric" through fusion work with other genres starting in 1968. Not sure I see the comparison? Keep in mind, Dylan didn't plan it that way, it just happened. He just decided on the spot to plug in and had invited Mike Bloomfield & Al Kooper to back him up. Miles did a lot of planning & arrainging to come up with his masterpieces.
Contrary to popular belief, Dylan didn't plot what happened at Newport 65 i.e. "I think I'll try something new and play folk songs on electric guitar" sort of thing. He just had an electric there and just did it, that's what makes that performance so memorable in retrospect. Dylan going "electric" wasn't what made it revolutionary, it was the booing crowd & Pete Seeger threatening to take an axe to Dylan's amp that made it revolutionary! 
"The secret of success is to offend the greatest number of people."
-George Bernard Shaw
Will have to agree with you on the "****es Brew" work, outstanding, as was the preceding "In A Silent Way." | |
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