| Does the size of the ring matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 12:25:40 PM |
For those shopping, don't go in to debt to buy something that is supposed to be sentimental, thoughtful and given in love. If the person receiving the ring doesn't appreciate the sentiment behind it, that you bought something you could afford, RUN.
I know and this coming from a woman.
Cat -- LOL. Even if it's a ring one could "afford", realistically in this economy, they'll likely still be in debt. Not all, but some.
And whether these words come from a woman or not, it doesn't matter...it just shows that you have your priorities straight. The person is more important than the item. Like I've even alluded to previously, if it was the woman that was "responsible" for doing the purchase in these matters, we'd all be hearing a different tune.
You mentioned your recently engaged friend was upset...upset over this very thing I take it? | |
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| Does the size of the ring matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 1:28:50 PM | If the size of the ring matters too greatly to the recipient, then I suspect that the marriage will be a three-ring circus:
- engagement ring
- wedding ring
- suffering | |
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| Does the size of the ring matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 1:42:36 PM | | Going to put my 2 cents in here and I could get bombarded for it but here it is. I think the ring purchase should be in line with what one could afford. If you're someone who is doing very well and you buy a chip of a diamond, I'd feel a little hurt. On the other hand, if you're struggling and you buy this monstrosity that will take you forever to pay for, then I'd be upset that you put yourself in that position. | |
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| Does the size of the ring matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 2:10:17 PM | Hey BigDaddyJinx...
Thanks... unfortunately, you guessed right. She got a ring two days ago. A beautiful 1.5 karat princess cut. She thought since he is making six figures, he should give her a "bigger rock" as she put it. I started laughing and well, she is not speaking to me at the moment. I kind of said, "what??? Are you nuts???" and well, silence.
Diamonds might be a girl's best friend, but a woman's best friend is the man behind the diamond in my book. Regardless of the economical forecast, if someone does go in debt to get it, hell, be grateful....
I guess I'm goofy or something, but I want quality over $$$. Anyone can have a diamond rock on their hand, but not everyone can have a great relationship. I guess I want better. Maybe this is why I'm single still....LOL... I want tooooo much! | |
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| Does the size of the ring matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 2:44:56 PM | [Thanks... unfortunately, you guessed right. She got a ring two days ago. A beautiful 1.5 karat princess cut. She thought since he is making six figures, he should give her a "bigger rock" as she put it. I started laughing and well, she is not speaking to me at the moment. I kind of said, "what??? Are you nuts???" and well, silence.]
wow this lady doesnt get it does she.. must be after him for his $$ IMO altho she will probably deny it.
If I were lucky enough to be engaged, the only ring I would want (seriously) is a plain gold band that you get when you marry.
[The person is.. WAAYY more important than the item]
JMO of course | |
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| Does the size of the ring matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 2:47:24 PM | Joanne, she has no clue. I love her because she is my friend... but sometimes I want to knock on that head of hers and say wake up girlfriend....
You are right... the man is way better than the rock. | |
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| Does the size of the ring matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 2:50:19 PM | Size does matter. The bigger the carat size, the larger the table (that is the top part of the diamond). The bigger the table the better the cut of the facets. The cut is what makes the diamond shimmer and shine.
Certain shapes have larger tables. A marquis shape gives the illusion the diamond is bigger than it really is. Other shapes, like emerald cut, (square) will show more of the imperfections. Round (known as brilliant) is the most forgiving of flaws of all the shapes and also the most valuable. The shape of the diamond does determine the value of it.
Diamonds should always be bought loose. When in a setting, it can and does cover up the imperfections (flaws) of the diamond. Some flaws are so bad, they can cause the diamond tocrack in half.
A jewelry store will over charge you, best to go to a diamond broker, they will give you a much better deal and a much better diamond. Only problem is they take cash only.
The 4'c of diamonds in the order of their importance
1. Cut
2. Color
3. Clarity
3. Carat size
Today they make wonderful fake diamonds...they are so real looking they can fool a jeweler. Get the best that you can afford. But it's best to go together to buy one. As it's a big deal to shop for one...lots to know and understand...two heads are better then one when making this type of purchase. | |
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| Does the size of the ring matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 3:11:12 PM | | My nephew is determined to get his girlfriend a diamond that costs 10K. He has bought the ring, now is waiting to get a better job or find the money tree or some other nonsense before he proposes and gives her the ring with the 10K diamond. She has a very wealthy father, is used to buying and receiving jewelry from Tiffanys, and might need to get a dose of reality or find another man to marry.......of course this is just the opinion of his aunt, who does not want to see him broken hearted before or after he marries said princess. | |
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| Does the size of the ring matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 3:18:42 PM | Here is what need when buying a diamond ring
SI1...means slightly imperfect stage 1. Anything less quality then that and you can see the flaws with the naked eye. It's a waste of money to buy anything less than this quality.
The ratings for clarity are: flawless, very, very slighty imperfect, (VVS1/2) very slightly imperfect, (VS1/2), Slightyly imperfect 1/2, (SI1/2).
The ratings for color are: colorless (D), that one is pricey, then they are grouped in 3's (DEF) (GHI), don't bother going anything less than I color, it will be yellow looking and a waste of money. Each time you move out of the box it jumps in price buy $800. Each time you move a letter it jumps in price $400. That rule follows suit to all the boxes in all the ratings.
Carat size ratings. Each time you jump from a one carat to a two carat you go up $1000K. Two carat to a 3 carat...jumps $2000K....each jump doubles up from the previous price.
The cut has to have at least 58 facets...anything less is not standard industry issue and it's won't shine right.
A well cut 1 carat D color SI1 will cost you about $4000K.
Unless you can afford to pay cash then you can't afford the ring.
You can get a good deal on say a 98 or 99 point carat ring. They were supposed to be a carat but a little boo boo was made during the cut, so they give you a discount. Try to get one of those with a large table...it will give the illusion that the ring is bigger then it is. | |
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| Does the size of the ring matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 3:52:35 PM | Larry's son 04,
I'm utterly discusted on how you attacked Jinxman with a low blow like that. You live in a world of selfish love. You are a toxic and terrifying species. To view the amount of one's love through a material object is an insane concept.
I watched a friend, as you would say, "demonstrate" his love for his wife by getting her that very expensive ring, the antique cars she wanted, the multiple vacation homes, and the do what you want stay at home and not work type of life. What a joke. While he "demonstrated" the amount of love that he had for her through money and material possessions, I've seen animals in a zoo exhibit love more than they ever did.
Puke. | |
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| Does the size of the ring matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 4:27:10 PM | For the past 20 years I have worked with a fellow who makes one of a kind rings earrings and pendants. He is also an expert on precious stones. He told me often pretty stones of different sizes are not costly. It depends on color, cut as well as size. He once showed me a four karat Sapphire that was retailing at $28,000.00. I suggest talking a jeweler of good reputation and to your girlfriend. Ask her what she would prefer. I might spoil the surprise but a engagement ring is a forever thing. I have small hands so large stones or large settings look terrible on my hand. Have her try two or three different rings and then surprise her with the one you like the best or have one designed. Me I will stick with the jewelery designer I have had for years. Now if I could only fine a Mr wonderful who would buy me that four karat Columbian emerald I was looking at>>>>>>>  | |
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| Does the size of the ring matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 4:43:22 PM | Here is the thing: I will wear or not the perfect pearls. I will wear or not the tiffanyies. I will wear or not the cartier. I will wear or not the rolexes, I will wear or not the other "priceless" stuff.
The ring symbolizing union I will wear forever. Every day. It better be simple, durable, pretty.
It doesn't matter to me whether other men see it. Probabaly shouldn't matter to you either.
Bigger stone = more visible.
That's all. | |
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| Does the size of the ring matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 4:45:42 PM | Did anyone notice that the original post was done in 2005?
I think it's a little late to be weighing in on the issue now. | |
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| Does the size of the ring matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 5:07:08 PM | Hmmm....
It's funny when the woman finally does get her ring and what she says....
A young co-worker last year was over the moon about her guy and how wonderful he was. This young man couldn't do anything wrong and she was sure that they were going to get married. We asked her what kind of ring she wanted. She said it didn't matter as it would be special as he would be picking it out.
Fast forward 2 months. She comes to work and she is wearing the ring. She's announces to all that she is engaged. We are all dying to see the ring. She flashes out her hand and then hides it. Wha'??????? We ask her again to show it to us. She flushes red and then says "It's not really much. We decided to buy a boat and it has big payments." We tell her it's lovely. She looks at it again and has this look of distaste on her face for an instant.
Fast forward to 3 weeks before the big day. It was going to be a large wedding.
He's broken it off. He has found another woman. She is devastated and it was heartbreaking to see. We all circled around our lamb and got her through that initial 3 weeks.
In her crying jags and rants about him, she did say that she hated the ring. We asked her why. She said the diamond was too small, she wanted a three stone ring (her ring was a solitaire) and she wanted platinum, not gold. She said she was embarrassed to show her friends at first. I told her I thought she wouldn't mind what he got her. She replied that she thought he would know what she wanted.
She gave the ring back to him eventually with her sentiments.
Another woman I know. She said she didn't care what he got her when he said that he was going to surprise her with a engagement ring. She was so excited!
He gave it to her and she just about fainted. She phoned me up and told me to meet her for coffee so that I could see her ring. "The stone is huge!" she gushed. "He must've spent a fortune! He's so wonderful!"
We met for coffee and I examined the ring. Something told me it was a fake diamond and the closer I looked at the ring, I knew that the metal wasn't real gold or platinum.
I told her it was lovely and why didn't she get it appraised for insurance purposes.
She said she would right away.
Five days later an angry and disappointed friend called me up. She told me that she was no longer engaged. Why? I asked. She had found out that the ring was "cheap and worthless" and she threw it back at him. Then she admitted that she had paid for mostly everything in their dating time, had made the arrangements and paid for everything they did in their time together, made dinners and cleaned house for him. This was the absolute insult.
The man made good money apparently.
Go figure. Does it matter? I would say so.
So, don't say.."It doesn't matter..." because I think it does matter in the long run.
It's only fair to the poor guy to at least lead him in the general direction of what you like. | |
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| Does the size of the ring matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 5:25:27 PM |
Hey BigDaddyJinx...
Thanks... unfortunately, you guessed right. She got a ring two days ago. A beautiful 1.5 karat princess cut. She thought since he is making six figures, he should give her a "bigger rock" as she put it. I started laughing and well, she is not speaking to me at the moment. I kind of said, "what??? Are you nuts???" and well, silence.
Cat -- Yea I figured as much. 
It never fails to make me laugh when I immediately hear the "he makes (this much)..." argument brought up. Whether he makes $40K a year or $2M a year, is irrelevant. Women should be flattered that a man wants to devote the rest of his life to them. Women should be overwhelmed that he took the time to even contemplate ONE WOMAN out of a cast of billions (yes, billions). Yet it always comes back to the size and expense of the ring that was bought. It's not about the man. It's not about the woman. It's not about this "commitment" that everyone seems to whine and p!ss and moan about incessantly....nope, it's just about the size and expense of one little item.
I keep saying, if women were the ones to be footin' the bill for the engagement bling, they'd all chime in with chorus after chorus of "He should feel damn lucky that he got his 0.5K ring at all!!". If a man ever saw a full carat worth I'd probably die of heart failure on the spot...
Women equating how much money he spent on a ring of x-size in direct comparison to his annual earning potential = money grubbing gold-digging ho's.  | |
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| Does the size of the ring matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 5:35:55 PM | Love the idealistic fighting with the realistic.....
Maybe that's the big problem in POFers lives.
In my mind?
I would say he's bloody lucky to get me. The one woman "in a cast of billions of men who who tripped over themselves to woo me" that thinks he's perfect for her.
I want him to treasure me.
If he wants to marry me, then he'd better know by then what style of jewelery that I like. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2008 6:20:53 PM | BigDaddyJinx,
Yeah, go figure. She is still pissy tonight. I can't wait for tomorrow night when it gets unveiled to family at dinner. I have the opportunity to witness that... I can't wait. My guess is her Momma is going to lose it. She wasn't brought up materialistic, so I'm sure this will be a great comedy tomorrow. Unfortunately, she has so missed how great a guy she has in her pocket.
I guess I am not a favorite of posters on here! I have a differing sentiment of having the rock... and here I thought I was being selfish for wanting more substance. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2008 7:39:19 PM | I guess I am not a favorite of posters on here! I have a differing sentiment of having the rock... and here I thought I was being selfish for wanting more substance.
Yea...damn you Cat!! You should be ashamed of yourself for thinking a relationship is more important than the material net worth of one item!! Hang your head in shame that you don't put a pricetag on a relationship!! How very selfish that you consider your man more valuable than the items he buys!! You can hand your "woman card" in now...
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Posted: 12/11/2008 9:38:37 PM | | No. The size of the ring should NOT matter. If she doesn't like the ring because she's a spoiled brat, then you could do better. Personally I find those expensive rings to be ridiculous because that money could go to something more important. I'd probably be a little irritated if someone got me something too extravagant. That's just me, though. I am sure there are women out there where the size of the rock counts, but for me...no, definitely not. I'd rather have something dainty looking than a total Liberace ring. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2008 10:42:21 PM | Diamonds are basically worthless.
De Beers and a russian group have been pricefixing the price of diamonds for over a century.
My father gave his wife a nice but not expensive ring. The real gift was the house he built for them both. | |
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| Does size matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 10:54:07 PM | It is the love behind the ring that counts - not the ring itself.
My first husband bought the uncut diamond from Antwerp 1.5 carats - we went and chose the setting and watched them set it. Beautiful ring - till I had to sell it because he couldn t manage money and if we wanted a Christmas for the children - that s what I had to do.
Second husband bought me a much smaller ring -very pretty - and I got to keep that one - it meant as much to me.
If I ever go a thrid time round - give me a cubic zironia - who cares - I care more about the love and the follow through than I would ever care about a piece of jewellry!!
For example - my son madee me a beaded bracelet in grade school - I caught it on the door and it broke - I sat crying as I am picking up the beads to have them restrung - they were plastic - but the love of a six yr old boy making it for his Mom - made it priceless. I still have it!!!
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| Does size matter ?
Posted: 12/11/2008 11:13:39 PM | See I've always been a quality over quantity sorta guy, so I'd end up getting a diamond that was a near flawless cut and kinda small than one that was full of imperfections and big. The more flawless the cut is, the more sparkle it will bring, and that you can see in her eyes when she looks at it.
That being said it would also depend on how well you knew your partner and what she would want. Every woman is different and have different ideas on what a ring should be, so its best to find out what it is exactly she desires. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2008 11:31:57 PM | Off topic, but.... a wicked thought just came to me Cat...
I mean, did he wrap this ring in it's appraisal certificate, or what? Probably not, right? Sooo, being the money snob she is - figuring she suckered this 'sweetheart of a man' - what if she sneaks out to a jeweler to have an appraisal done to step up the snob factor as to an exact $ amount to bray on about, and gets told it's Moissenite, or better yet a high quality CZ??? She's livid, runs back to him to rip his pair off at dinner in effort to show him up, and he stops her dead with, "Honey, I love you, and wanted you for YOU... not because you figure I'm so stupid to believe that you love me for ME." *snort* "Now, let's have a toast everyone! Happy Holidays!!"
Omg... 
Ok... so now you HAVE to report back what happens at dinner!.... 
***forgive me, folks... sugar rush from sampling the holiday cookie baking frenzy I had this afternoon*** | |
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