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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 9:38:34 PM | | It seems to me most of the threads on this fora are just for the sake of bashing christianity, while they would deny that, and say they only bash certain christians.. | |
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nergal
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Joined: 5/12/2005
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 9:41:39 PM | | The forums used to have a rep for bashing pagans ... at least they were the only people I know to have left because of it. Kind of associated but definitely on topic I read something in the news about the Pope dropping Limbo from their beliefs .... | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 28 | |
| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 9:58:41 PM | Just so you know that the spirit realm is real:
I have friends that have been taken into heaven and one was taken by Jesus into hell so he could preach about it and people would know it was real, and I have had angels appear to me also, they are real, angels from Jesus.
Oh, ya I have also seen demons, but they are full of fear and darkness, and look a lot different.
Jimmy
Whatever man , but what your saying goes against what the bible teaches so be careful those angels might be from satan not Jesus. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 4:36:06 AM | Odd ... it is downright blasphemous, this preaching of fire and brimstone and "eternal" punishment.The Hebrew and Greek language had no word that meant "endless time" or "eternity". An interesting book to read about this mistranslation is "Whence Eternity" by Alexander Thomson. A quick excerpt:
"In the year 540, Justinian made arguments for the calling together of the famous local council of four years later ... In particular, he wished it made very plain that the life of the saints was to be everlasting and that the doom of the lost was to be likewise ... etc etc.
The hell being preached in the churches of today is definately not scriptural. | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 30 | |
| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 9:47:23 AM | | I think hell is Scriptural but not most christians think of it or anyone for that matter. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 9:57:18 AM | | Hell is scriptural as "hades/sheol" but when one hears the word "hell" it brings about visions and recollections of hellish torment and punishment for unbelievers for ever and ever. This type of hell is not scriptural. As you know well Funn1, God loves all! He chastises but he doesn't punish for ever and ever. Don't you think that the description of hell as preached by many today sounds more like man's warped idea rather than an idea from the creator of perfection? Hades/Sheol exist, chastisement exits but all that exists or will exist, exist within a time/age(s). | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 32 | |
| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 11:36:16 AM | | Hell, The fire to burn up the ungodley, to cleanse the earth.and forever being gone from God, they miss out on eternity. | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 34 | |
| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 12:12:49 PM | Luke 17: 28-30
28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Rev. 20:8-9
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 35 | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 12:52:00 PM | Will have to get back to you Funn1...don't have Bible with me at the moment.
P.S. Love your new pic! ... | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 12:54:15 PM | | Funn1: To answer your question, no ...... there is nothing that you have provided that states eternal torment of punishment ... passages seem to be rather "quick" ... examples | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 12:57:05 PM | | Hell is mentoned many times in the Bible. Just read Revolations. It states very clearly that if you do not love the lord and invit him into your heart, and follow the best you can the 10 commandments... That when you die... you will go to hell. | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 39 | |
| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 12:58:44 PM | there is nothing that you have provided that states eternal torment of punishment ... passages seem to be rather "quick" ... examples
I dont think the torment will be eternal as far as burning and such, but I do think not being with God in eternity is the ongoing torment/seperation if you will. | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 42 | |
| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 1:03:32 PM | 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
they get burned up some other places it says they will be no more and they are turned to ash. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 1:03:46 PM |
I dont think the torment will be eternal as far as burning and such, but I do think not being with God in eternity is the ongoing torment/seperation if you will.
If you are not with God in eternity then where will you be for eternity? | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 44 | |
| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 1:06:51 PM | Burned to ash.dead
Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 47 | |
| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 1:17:43 PM | GEORGY GIRL
Has the correct answer.
I think you might be right sky. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 1:24:05 PM | Upon the wicked He will rain snares; Fire and brimstone and burning wind will be the portion of their cup. (Psalms 11:6)
You will make them as a fiery oven in the time of your anger; The LORD will swallow them up in His wrath, And fire will devour them. (Psalms 21:9)
For behold, the LORD will come in fire And His chariots like the whirlwind, To render His anger with fury, And His rebuke with flames of fire. (Isaiah 66:15)
For the LORD will execute judgment by fire And by His sword on all flesh, And those slain by the LORD will be many. (Isaiah 66:16)
"And His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (Matthew 3:12)
"Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (Matthew 7:19)
"Therefore just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. (Matthew 13:40)
"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:41-42)
"So it will be at the end of the age; the angels shall come forth, and take out the wicked from among the righteous, and will cast them into the furnace of fire; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:49-50)
"And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire. (Matthew 18:8)
"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; (Matthew 25:41)
"And if your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire, (Mark 9:43)
"And if your eye causes you to stumble, cast it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into hell, where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED. (Mark 9:47-48)
"And His winnowing fork is in His hand to thoroughly clear His threshing floor, and to gather the wheat into His barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (Luke 3:17)
"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch, and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. (John 15:6)
And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our life, and is set on fire by hell. (James 3:6)
Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. (Jude 1:7)
he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." (Revelation 14:10-11)
And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. (Revelation 19:20)
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)
And death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:14-15)
"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." (Revelation 14:11)
"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:41-42)
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)
"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)
"And if your eye causes you to stumble, cast it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into hell, where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED. (Mark 9:47-48)
And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, (2 Thessalonians 1:9)
And behold, they cried out, saying, "What do we have to do with You, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?" (Matthew 8:29)
"And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire. (Matthew 18:8)
"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; (Matthew 25:41)
"And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." (Matthew 25:46)
"And in Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away, and Lazarus in his bosom. "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue; for I am in agony in this flame.' (Luke 16:23-24)
for I have five brothers-- that he may warn them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' (Luke 16:28)
Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of instruction about washings, and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. (Hebrews 6:1-2)
then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, (2 Peter 2:9)
Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. (Jude 1:7)
"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." (Revelation 14:11)
"Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. (Matthew 7:13)
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. (John 5:24)
"Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death." (John 8:51)
Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. (Romans 6:21)
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6:23)
What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? (Romans 9:22)
For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation; but the sorrow of the world produces death. (2 Corinthians 7:10)
For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ, whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things. (Philippians 3:18-19)
And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, (2 Thessalonians 1:9)
Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. (James 1:15)
We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. (1 John 3:14)
But the present heavens and earth by His word are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. (2 Peter 3:7)
as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:16)
'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.' (Revelation 2:11)
And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. (Revelation 19:20)
Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6)
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)
And death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:14)
And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)
"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)
"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. (John 5:24)
then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, (2 Peter 2:9)
And I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds... And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11-12, 15)
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21)
"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. (Revelation 20:12)
And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)
and nothing unclean and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life. (Revelation 21:27) | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 49 | |
| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 1:38:03 PM | Man I hope you used cut and paste on all that...lol
Is it real? Yes! What is it for/why was it made? For the devil and his angels but now man will also subject to it as well. How long will the fire last? until all in it is consumed and the earth is cleansed. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 1:46:56 PM | Sky: GEORGY GIRL
Has the correct answer.
Funn1: I think you might be right sky.
If you have the right answer Funn1, shall we close? | |
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