funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 51 | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 5:41:45 PM | | Any scripture that related to hell, or the everlasting lake of fire, is symbolic, mean, when you die, sinner, your dead. If God doesn't forgive you, you (your name, personily, existense) is tossed into this lake of fire. It is utter destruction..something God can reverse. Destruction does not mean life, therefore, if you wanna fry in hell, go for, you'd never notice the difference anyway..your dead | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 6:14:07 PM | | You might want to reword that... when you go to heaven, you're dead too. So really it wouldn't matter whether you were a good person or a total villianous prick, cause when you're dead, you're dead so who cares? I don't buy it. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 7:01:50 PM | Funn1:
Burned to ash.dead
Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Destroy comes from the Greek word -apollumi= to lose. The sheep was lost (apollumi) by straying (Lk 15:4) and Christ detroys (apollumi) both body and soul in Gehenna. Destroy does not mean annihilation. We all, like sheep have gone astray. So if lost is the Greek word for destroy and a "lost" sheep can be SAVED then a lost apollumi (destroyed) soul can be as well. | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 55 | |
| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/1/2005 8:38:50 PM | You might want to reword that... when you go to heaven, you're dead too.
If you read what the bible says about heaven is its on earth and we get new bodies of flesh and we will live and reign with christ forever. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/2/2005 4:28:27 AM | Sorry Funn1 ... I can't reword the Scriptures.
Not sure of your point in reference . I thought you referred to Matthew as a reference that the unbelievers/evil souls are annihilated forever and this is not so. | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 57 | |
| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/2/2005 8:38:02 AM | I was quoting someone Loon.
I dont think one should change scritpture. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 12/2/2005 8:41:44 AM | | lol ... thanks Funn1, I see it now. Definately no more posting in the early A.M. when I'm half asleep! | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 59 | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 1/3/2006 7:07:33 PM | Wow...you guys are good...I won't pretend I can keep up.....I did take one semester of Hebrew a long time ago...I was concerned about WORDS and their translation into english. It's all rather hazy now...I havn't done much bible study for a long time either. Perhaps hanging around you people will inspire me more. ............. I should keep on topic.....Yeshua said HE was 'The Word'....true..of course true! I do believe that ...all scripture is inspired by God....I do not believe that all scripture has been translated correctly. ......................................................................................................... Yeshua also said to his disciples right before His crucifixion 'your greatest enemies shall come from within' it seems the disciples were worried about what the Romans would do to them and my understanding is that our Savior was aware of the humaness of the early church ,and,............................................................................................................. that
Constantine in the 4th century would start introducing 'pagan' culture in an appeasing effort to 'establish' his new state religion..ie. Christianity!??? They say Constantine didn't personally become a Christian until right before his death...... .................................................................................................................... I believe that the contemporary concept of Hell as wrathful, vindictive, everlasting torture...... is an example of what Jesus was referring to when He said 'your greatest enemies shall come from within. I believe He was referring to the "established' church..........P.S. I will try in the future not to paraphrase scripture as I have done here without a chapter and verse to go with it. if anyone can share the chapter and verses I would appreciate it. sincerely Georgy Girl......p.p.s I will try in the future to be more concise and not take up so much space. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 1/3/2006 7:39:06 PM | look at this site very informative . also scroll down to the data section and you can see the places where hell is mentionded in the bible
http://www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com/HellStats/hell.htm | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 1/3/2006 8:14:50 PM | Why does the Apostles Creed say that Jesus descended into Hell and preached to the spirits there? What was the point if they were stuck there and could never get out anyway? Wait ... the answer just came to me ... more torment! Oh, Jesus ... how could You do it?  | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 1/3/2006 8:32:08 PM | Could you please tell me the origin of the Apostles Creed and the scriptures it's based upon...thanx...much appreciated | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 1/3/2006 8:36:45 PM | | just type in Apostles Creed in your search engine and youll find all kinds of info | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 1/3/2006 9:11:08 PM | | That website what-the-hell-is -hell.com looks great at first glance...I'm going to investigate it more. | |
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jimyg
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Joined: 1/6/2005
Msg: 66 | |
| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 1/3/2006 9:27:34 PM |
funn1 on 12/1/2005 12  44 PM Subject: Hell: Is it Scriptural? Message: there is nothing that you have provided that states eternal torment of punishment ... passages seem to be rather "quick" ... examples I dont think the torment will be eternal as far as burning and such, but I do think not being with God in eternity is the ongoing torment/seperation if you will.
No bannana for you
You see, the Greek word here for eternal punishment is the same as the Greek word for eternal reward or life, so as long as a son of God receives eternal life, so for that same time frame the devil his angels and those that follow him will receive eternal judgment. So, how long is eternal???
Matt 25:46
46 And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.
ASV
Have an etenaly nice day, and to ensure it speak in tongues 
Jimmy | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 1/3/2006 9:52:58 PM | | Hell is the 2nd death, the spiritual death. I don't believe it exists at this time and won't until judgement day. 1st death is dying in the flesh....people still have a chance. If you die the 2nd time...you are blotted out like you never existed. IMHO | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 1/3/2006 11:23:02 PM | | That's what I meant when I used the term nullify....and yes since I believe that all the dead are asleep and unconscious ...awaiting the ressurection...'the living know that they will die ,but the dead know nothing(it's in Timothy...honest...I gave one of my concordances away but I will have to dig up the other one)...it would make sense that the hellish nullifying experience wouldn't be going on now. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 1/4/2006 8:27:13 AM | | I don't know if you include the Apocrypha in your study of the bible but 2 Esdras 7.75 and up gives a description of what the 1st death will be like for both the good and bad. It is pretty interesting. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 1/4/2006 8:38:01 AM | | From what I understand, "Hell" the concept was invented during the middle ages as a way to generate money for the church. If you're a sinner, you go to hell, but if you donate a nice tithe to the church, you redeem yourself. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 1/4/2006 8:55:34 AM | | My take is, you don't really live in this objective world, you live in the subjective world inside your head and interact with the objective world via cumbersome tools made of meat. If you are virtuous, you will live at peace with yourself, have no fear of the objective world or your fellow man and be in paradise. If, on the other hand, you are not virtuous, you have no peace of mind, see the demon that you are reflected in your fellow man, and are already in hell. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 1/4/2006 9:19:24 AM | Davie, nice job with all those quotes.
I think we can all agree that hell is not really a hot place under the ground where people hang out with a big red guy who has horns and a pitchfork. But yes, the wrath of God is real and holy. And hell does exist. I've seen a few questions here about how long people suffer, etc. It's important to keep in mind that once your physical body dies, you are no longer bound by the timeline. So eternity takes on a whole new meaning. People who went to hell thousands of years ago don't "burn longer" than people who go there today. Once you're there, you're there. Time no longer exists.
As far as I am aware the hell with regards to evil individuals living in the core of the earth screaming and moaning and wailing being overseen by a red creature with horns a tail and pitchfork has no scriptural basis.
Hell, as far as I’m aware of in the bible, is the total separation of the spirit of God from humanity.
I totally agree with this statement. Separation from God is pure torment. I think people take for granted how much of God is in their every day lives on earth. All the things that are good: peace, joy, love, kindness, fairness, goodness, understanding, compassion, companionship, comfort, etc. None of those things exist in a place that is void of God's presence. We are made in God's image, and it is our very nature to desire closeness with him. To be separated totally from him creates a kind of unquenchable burning of the soul that is worse than anything we could ever experience. That is hell. And it is the result of rejecting God. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 1/4/2006 12:14:49 PM | | QUOTE....................''TO BE SEPARATED TOTALLY FROM 'HIM' CREATES A KIND OF UNQUENCHABLE BURNING OF THE SOUL THAT IS WORSE THAN ANY THING WE COULD EVER EXPERIENCE.''.................Help me to understand please...are you saying that those who are separated from other people physically(ie. not living in paradise) 'and' from the spiritual presence of God....will not have 'eternal' PHYSICAL torment but will have 'eternal' EMOTIONAL torment??? ......................... p.s. can anyone tell me how to use the 'quoting diddly'....I had to type out the above quote....thanx | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 1/4/2006 12:37:18 PM | GG: As someone helped me with this I will pass it on
To quote
place whatever you need quoted between and the close with | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 1/4/2006 12:40:24 PM | | ooops sorry .. not good at this .... use bracket type in the word quote and then another bracket .... paste the quoted .... then place a bracket slash type in the word quote and then another bracket ..... lol , I can't remember who helped me with this but they relayed the information much better! | |
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