| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 12/1/2005 5:12:00 PM |
Yes, of course I know why Christ gave his life, but it is not in keeping with Bible principles.
I don't see how you'd get to this conclusion.
"No greater love hath any man than this, that he lay down his life for another."
Those martyrs are kids/youth/children and it is the adult religious dogma that TAKE their lives from them. A very base example as my heart goes out to them.
Not following on this one. Kids don't martyr themselves, and I've never heard a Christian claim the death of a child as such.
Any christian who says this needs to be very careful and rethink there position, for it is blasphemous.
Okay, I'm not Christian, so I realise my opinion on this doesn't matter. However, I don't see it as blasphemous at all. Sure, Jesus (Jehovah in the guise of man) went to a lot of trouble to commit suicide, creating a world and working everything through the history, but one of the central tenets of Christianity is that it all led up to the Crucifixion, yes? Sounds like premeditation to me. Excessively elaborate and pointless (at least in the death part), since He knew He'd be (relatively) right back, but the interpretation is still valid.
Certainly not for any of use to decide or judge.
True enough. Certainly the jury's out on what my gods would think. Although, I imagine they'd want me to keep on keepin' on.
I am not likening His actions to that of a soldier or a suicide bomber!
Why not? Not necessarily the poor deluded fool who wants to bomb someone else and is willing to die in the process, but the soldier-on-grenade analogy is particularly apt. | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 12/1/2005 5:43:01 PM |
If a person who is saved commits suicide-they will still go to Heaven.
Than if Im saved and I kill you, does that mean I get to go to heaven? And no..I'm not threatening you LOL Just asking..because you are still taking a life... | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 12/1/2005 5:48:02 PM |
If a person who is saved commits suicide-they will still go to Heaven.
I'm curious about how this works, as well.
Than if Im saved and I kill you, does that mean I get to go to heaven?
As I understand it, if you're saved, you wouldn't kill anyone. And, if you did, you just need to confess to Jesus, ask forgiveness, and be sincere about intending to never do it again. | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 12/1/2005 5:50:38 PM |
As I understand it, if you're saved, you wouldn't kill anyone
Fair enough...but people do sometimes...just snap. If you are saved, you also wouldnt have sex outside of marriage, cheat on your spouse, etc.....but people still do it... in the end we are only human.
And, if you did, you just need to confess to Jesus, ask forgiveness, and be sincere about intending to never do it again.
I can see having time to ask for repentence if you are the killer and did the crime..but not following chicos line of thinking that you can kill yourself..how can you repent if you are dead? | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 12/1/2005 5:53:11 PM |
but people still do it
Depending on who you talk to, those people aren't "saved."
in the end we are only human.
Amen to that, sister. Amen.
how can you repent if you are dead?
Maybe it's like being actually in front of the judge at that point. You get to plead your case? | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 12/1/2005 5:55:04 PM |
Depending on who you talk to, those people aren't "saved."
That's true...but WHO are those people to judge?
Maybe it's like being actually in front of the judge at that point. You get to plead your case?
That's an interesting thought...and *if* God is...as the Bible say...all loving...than I'd think he'd be more than happy to hear it lol | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 12/1/2005 6:05:58 PM | Feral;
Thanks for picking the bones out… you really enjoy that don’t you?
The whole judgment thing is kinda weird when you consider God already knows what's in your heart isn't it? Why bother to judge someone when you don't need evidence... or is it that we get to repent? It all sound suspiciously like a man-made concoction to me. I just don't buy it. | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 12/1/2005 6:21:42 PM | "Than if Im saved and I kill you, does that mean I get to go to heaven? And no..I'm not threatening you LOL Just asking..because you are still taking a life..." That's if you were a beliver-if not, it wouldn't even send you to Hell. You will go to Hell because you refuse to believe.
Sin does not send a person to hell. Not believing and trusting Christ does that. Just like if I hoped and prayed that you were murdered,.it wouldn't do anything to my salvation. | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 12/1/2005 6:27:56 PM |
Just like if I hoped and prayed that you were murdered,.it wouldn't do anything to my salvation.
You probably have already  But I one up you with my mighty tighty vodoo doll | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 12/1/2005 6:36:22 PM |
Feral;
Thanks for picking the bones out… you really enjoy that don’t you?
Not so much the bones, brother. I likes me some marrow! You gotta get to the middle and find the basis for all that calcified dogma, yes?
Sin does not send a person to hell. Not believing and trusting Christ does that. Just like if I hoped and prayed that you were murdered,.it wouldn't do anything to my salvation.
Wait. There's something here... Oh! Okay, let me get this straight. You're saying that, for a believer, sin has no effect, is that right? So, since I'm a believer I can go ahead and be a Pagan, too? Dude, this rocks! | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 12/1/2005 6:47:08 PM | Feral, that's the whole point of the problem!
There are sins, right? Things that are bad that we shouldn't do.
But, if we truly believe in God, ask for forgiveness, and are truly regretful for what we have done, we are not punished.
Which would then mean that the only people who go to hell are those who do not believe, or are not sorry for the sins that they have committed.
So if a sociopath commits a few murders, he's not eligable for forgiveness because he doesn't have all of his faculties in order?
Misrepresentation.... I want new councel | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 12/1/2005 6:50:41 PM | lady-fair,
So because someone is born with something misfiring in his/her head, that leaves them lacking in the area of really knowing right from wrong. God would punish them? | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 12/1/2005 6:52:25 PM | | Well that's what they seem to be saying to me. I don't think it's very fair at all and I for one do not want to worship a creature who creates their "children" with misgivings and then punishes them for that which they cannot change. | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 12/1/2005 6:53:35 PM |
Well that's what they seem to be saying to me. I don't think it's very fair at all and I for one do not want to worship a creature who creates their "children" with misgivings and then punishes them for that which they cannot change.
Couldn't agree more...seems kind of shitty eh? | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 12/1/2005 6:55:29 PM |
Well if you were saved, couldn't you just say....Dad I didn't want to sleep over at *earth* any more I wanted to come home?
No doubt, many Christians have thought along those lines, but rarely to the point of actual suicide. In fact, I have a friend who claims that he would have committed suicide if not for his faith in God's plan for his life. And the Bible does steer believers away from escapism:
"Nevertheless, to remain in the flesh is more needful for you." (Phil. 1:24, NKJV)
Sin does not send a person to hell. Not believing and trusting Christ does that.
I feel a need to rephrase this concept: Sin does send a person to hell. Trusting in Christ covers that sin and removes the spiritual consequences (but not necessarily the earthly consequences!).
The way you have it phrased, chicoladysrock, makes it sound (at least to me) like Christians have a right to be very proud and superior because of their belief, regardless of their sins.
Cheers!  | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 12/1/2005 6:57:28 PM | | Crappy sitch, alright. At least in the interpretation. "Believe in me, love each other, kill all those people over there, don't murder, do what I say, stone those who don't, oh, and by the way, if you screw any of it up, there's always Hell." | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 1/20/2006 12:01:02 PM | | Committing suicide is a grave sin in Islam.Many scholars view a person who has commited suicide as someone who has turned his back on Islam altogether.However it is permissible to mention a person who has committed sucide in our supplication and pray to God for his/her forgiveness. | |
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