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Posted: 12/11/2005 9:02:34 PM | | Does it really matter if we worship on Sabbath of Sunday? Why is one or the other the 7th day? If I decide to call Sunday the first day of the week, then the Sabbath is the 7th. If I decide to call Monday the first day of the week, then Sunday is the 7th. (Is it written any where which day of the week is the 1st?) | |
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Posted: 12/11/2005 9:23:58 PM | Well, actually it is written the sabbath day is the day to be for God.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20.8
But I see your point also,if one is to look at this this way there is a way....
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20.8
But like sister_wife has said this was Gods commands in the old coventent and as ent_person said Jesus provides the rest, but with God making us an image of Him, He knows what is best for our bodies and that is what is being said work six days of the week and take one to be the sabbatical for you for the Lord. just as he has done in the creation of the wonderfull world we see.
Galatians 4:4-5“ But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born
under law, to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of
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Posted: 12/11/2005 10:04:12 PM | | EXACTLY my point Miss music, thank you for being someone who has sense, gets her point across and doesnt sit there and type out LOOOOOOONG paragraphs TRYING to make a point, but not quite getting one across. It shoudlnt matter what day we make our sabbth, if its work Thursday thru Tuesday and make Wednesday our sabbath even, so long as one day is kept holy and set apart and rested on. High Five Miss! LOL | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 12:05:07 AM | Well ppl I'm sorry but God made the 7th day and made it holy, he said if any man changes his laws which the 4th commandment is part of is law that the beings in heaven will call them lest or lowly.
Man can not change the laws of God nor do away with them!
Please read,
Heb. 4:3,7
3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 10:02:33 AM | your write [Is it written any where which day of the week is the 1st?
it is written at this website http://www.mcs.csuhayward.edu/~malek/Mathlinks/Weekdays.html
How to determine the day of the week, given the month, day and year
First a brief explanation: In the Gregorian Calendar, over a period of four hundred years, there are 97 leap years and 303 normal years. Each normal year, the day of January 1 advances by one; for each leap year it advances by two.
303 + 97 + 97 = 497 = 7 * 71
As a result, January 1 year N occurs on the same day of the week as January 1 year N + 400. Because the leap year pattern also recurs with a four hundred year cycle, a simple table of four hundred elements, and single modulus, suffices to determine the day of the week (in the Gregorian Calendar), and does it much faster than all the other algorithms proposed. Also, each element takes (in principle) only three bits; the entire table thus takes only 1200 bits; on many computers this will be less than the instructions to do all the complicated calculations proposed for the other algorithms.
Incidental note: Because 7 does not divide 400, January 1 occurs more frequently on some days than others! Trick your friends! In a cycle of 400 years, January 1 and March 1 occur on the following days with the following frequencies:
Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
Jan 1: 58 56 58 57 57 58 56
Mar 1: 58 56 58 56 58 57 57
Of interest is that (contrary to most initial guesses) the occurrence is not maximally flat.
In the Mathematical Gazette, vol. 53,, pp.127-129, it is shown that the 13th of the month is more likely to be a Friday than any other day.The author is a 13 year old S.R.Baxter.
The Gregorian calendar was introduced in 1582 in parts of Europe; it was adopted in 1752 in Great Britain and its colonies, and on various dates in other countries. It replaced the Julian Calendar which has a four-year cycle of leap years; after four years January 1 has advanced by five days. Since 5 is relatively prime to 7, a table of 4 * 7 = 28 elements is necessary for the Julian Calendar.
There is still a 3 day over 10,000 years error which the Gregorian calendar does not take into account. At some time such a correction will have to be done but your software will probably not last that long!
Here is a standard method suitable for mental computation:
Take the last two digits of the year.
Divide by 4, discarding any fraction.
Add the day of the month.
Add the month's key value: JFM AMJ JAS OND 144 025 036 146
Subtract 1 for January or February of a leap year.
For a Gregorian date, add 0 for 1900's, 6 for 2000's, 4 for 1700's, 2 for 1800's; for other years, add or subtract multiples of 400.
For a Julian date, add 1 for 1700's, and 1 for every additional century you go back.
Add the last two digits of the year.
Divide by 7 and take the remainder.
Now 1 is Sunday, the first day of the week, 2 is Monday, and so on.
We are sure there are many other places in the internet alone where it speaks of Sunday being the first day of the week. You might reasearch dogpile web search engine to find information, we have learned much from all we research there, we just typed in the question what day is the first of the week?
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Posted: 12/12/2005 10:41:50 AM | I got this off the net and thought it might help on this.
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it." Genesis 1:1; 2:2, 3.
God made the Sabbath at the time of Creation, after He made the world and everything in it. God rested on the Sabbath and blessed and sanctified it (set it apart for a holy use).
"And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:" Mark 2:27
The Sabbath and the family were alike instituted in Eden, and in God's purpose they are perpetually linked together. On this day more than on any other, it is possible for us to live the life of Eden. It was God's plan for the members of the family to be associated in work and study, in worship and recreation, the father as priest of his household, and both father and mother as teachers and companions of their children. But the results of sin, having changed the conditions of life, to a great degree prevent this association. Often the father hardly sees the faces of his children throughout the week. He is almost wholly deprived of opportunity for companionship or instruction. But God's love has set a limit to the demands of toil. Over the Sabbath He places His merciful hand. In His own day He preserves for the family opportunity for communion with Him, with nature, and with one another.
The Sabbath is a sign of creative and redeeming power; it points to God as the source of life and knowledge; it recalls man's primeval glory, and thus witnesses to God's purpose to re-create us in His own image. The Sabbath of the Lord bears His name and seal. "It is a sign," He says, "between Me and you; . . . that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you." because "in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it." Exodus 31:13; 20:11.
The Sabbath is the day above all others when we should acquaint ourselves with God through His works. In the minds of the children the very thought of the Sabbath should be bound up with the beauty of natural things. Happy is the family who can go to the place of worship on the Sabbath as Jesus and His disciples went to the synagogue--across the fields, along the shores of the lake, or through the groves. Happy the father and mother who can teach their children God's written word with illustrations from the open pages of the book of nature; who can gather under the green trees, in the fresh, pure air, to study the word and to sing the praise of the Father above. By such associations parents may bind their children to their hearts, and thus to God, by ties that can never be broken.
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Posted: 12/12/2005 3:40:10 PM | | One of the best ways to tell that the weekly days have not changed is the jewish nation, they are all over the world and still keep sabbath on the same day. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 3:48:19 PM | | God might of rested on the 7th day, but no one was there to know what day it was. I personaly think you don't need a said day to worship him. Is it to remind people to do it. I always wondered about that. I always thought that was his way of saying everyone needs a brake. Why your taking your brake thank me for giving it to you. I personaly don't think he is going to be up set if your not a member of a church some where, as long as you know him. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 3:49:59 PM | Punn1 ,Well if thats the case, you had better take your sabbath the same time they do..you would need to take the time difference into account....Jerusalem is about 11 hrs ahead so you would need to quit ya working around 8 am friday morning...hope this does not interfere with your job... | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 4:00:04 PM | Thats about the dumbest thing you have said ent. sundown fri to sundown sat is what I was saying and you know it.
And you still have not answered the question about the verse in Heb. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 4:17:21 PM | | tell you what, you will not answer my question and you dont agree with me, so we will just wait and ask Jesus when he comes back, hows that. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 4:19:37 PM | I'll agree to that IF you will let the topic drop, you've been flogging this dead horse ever since you have been posting on the forum...Ya convinced no one but ya self.. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 4:40:47 PM | "God made the Sabbath at the time of Creation, after He made the world and everything in it. God rested on the Sabbath and blessed and sanctified it (set it apart for a holy use).
"And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:" Mark 2:27
lol .... well Funn1.. since you love this topic so much ....
What if the seven days represent seven ages and the 'sabbath' is the age of Christ (blessed, sactified and set apart for a holy use), made for the 'rest' of man when Christ reigns? | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 4:46:35 PM | if you read the bible you will find that not to be true loon.
And yes I take this topic needs to be addressed, it the one commandment that starts with the word remember and its the one most dont care about.
The Sabbath is a sign of creative and redeeming power; it points to God as the source of life and knowledge; it recalls man's primeval glory, and thus witnesses to God's purpose to re-create us in His own image. The Sabbath of the Lord bears His name and seal. "It is a sign," He says, "between Me and you; . . . that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you." because "in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it." Exodus 31:13; 20:11. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 5:29:12 PM | Actually sundown is at different times all over the world. Time was created by Yahweh and He understands when sundown is for each person, no need to think Sabbath would begin around 8am. A good source of what time sundown is is www.hebcal.com then input your zipcode and it will give you the precise time for sundown and when sabbath begins.
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Posted: 12/13/2005 8:27:00 AM | I just checked Genesis, and all was created by Yahweh (God) was created in the first 5 days and the 6th day Yahweh created Man, although woman wasn't created at that time. This creation was the final creation until He saw how lonely man was and created a helpmeet for him, who Adam named Eve. So I must retract part of this statement in that Eve wasn't there on the first Sabbath, the first day of rest. Sorry for the confusion in this area.
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Posted: 12/14/2005 12:02:04 PM | Steve&Kara, thank you for your interesting post in message 80 about how to determine which day of the week any given date is. The information makes it possible for me to take any date (like January 27, 1879) and figure out whether it is a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc. (Just as idiot savants do)
Fascinating as this may be, it does not answer my question as to which day of the week is the seventh day mentioned in the bible.
Perhaps the bible, as other people have mentioned in this thread, was only stating that out of every seven days, one of them must be kept holy, and it didn't matter which one.
Of course, from a logistical and sociological point of view, it makes the most sense for everyone to agree on a day of the week. Society is held together by such commonly held ideas.
In any case, is anyone really offended that Christians generally choose Sunday as their holy day and Jews choose Saturday? Is this a problem? Or are we merely engaging in a diverting and interesting exercise of logic and conjecture? I hope it's the latter. | |
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Posted: 12/14/2005 4:32:56 PM | Oh People I have sinned, for my words are of me a mere man and the words of God stands as Jesus said.
I ask for forgiveness here.
Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-18 that He did not come to destroy the law. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” We saw in chapter one that the earth will abide forever. Here again in the clearest words possible Jesus tells us that He did not come to abolish the law but that the law will be in effect for ever.
Which law is Jesus referring to? The law that will be in force throughout all eternity, the Ten Commandments. How can Sunday-keepers claim that Jesus abolished the law, when He says plainly in these verses that He did NOT abolish the law? Jesus fulfilled the law by perfectly obeying every one of the Ten Commandments.
We saw in First John 3:4 that sin is breaking any of the Ten Commandments. “Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” When Sunday-keepers throw out the Ten Commandments, they are throwing away the definition of sin.
When did God institute His Ten Commandment law? We know that Satan sinned in heaven before the earth was created, so the Ten Commandments must have been in force then. We also know that Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden, so the Ten Commandments must have been in force in the Garden of Eden. We saw in Chapter one that those who are saved will be keeping God’s Sabbath day, Saturday, holy throughout all eternity. The Ten Commandment law is the constitution of heaven. It is the law whereby God’s entire universe operates. If it were not, the entire universe would have the problems we have on earth today.
In fact, one of the main reasons God created the earth was to show to the universe what happens when people continually break God’s law. First Corinthians 4:9 tells us: “For we are made a spectacle to the world, and to angels, and to men.” The word “spectacle” is translated from the Greek word theatron, which means “theater.” This present earth was created to be the theater of the universe where God is demonstrating to all the intelligent beings in the universe what happens when a society disobeys His law, the Ten Commandments. As the final result of the drama taking place on this earth, all of God’s creation — men, angels, and other forms of intelligent life throughout the vast reaches of space — will thoroughly understand that without obeying God’s law there can be no peace, for they are witnessing the trouble, misery, pain, and death that are the natural consequences of disregarding the law of God.
Isa 24.4-5 The wars and trouble, the pain and suffering all over the earth today are a direct result of people disregarding God’s Ten Commandments.
And I can say that I have an infection on the right foot that is a direct result of not obeying the Law.
I beg you always refer to the Holy Bible for it is never wrong. always ask for God's help when reading it He will show you what is to be, if not ask, seek, knock, and repeat till it is. Amen.
Hebrews 4.2-12
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
We saw that we can never quit sinning without God’s grace, God’s help. Paul says in Romans 7:18 that there is no good thing in him. We are full of sinful tendencies. The idea is to replace our thoroughly sinful characters with a character formed by God’s grace. When that happens we won’t sin anymore. But, in order for this to happen, we must want this with all our heart and mind. In order for this to happen it must be our supreme desire to want to follow God perfectly and to keep His commandments. God will never force us to obey Him.
Jesus came to earth as a human being and condemned sin in the flesh by never sinning, showing us that we can also do this. When the “requirement of the law” is fulfilled in us, we will not be sinning. When the “requirement of the law” is fulfilled in us, we will be keeping the Ten Commandments perfectly, including properly keeping holy God’s Sabbath day, Saturday.
Galatians, like Romans, has a lot to say about being justified. Consider Galatians 2:16. “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”
Remember that being justified means being made righteous, and that being righteous is keeping all ten of the commandments. Remembering also that God’s grace is the power given to those who really want to obey God, we see in these verses also that we are justified by faith. We are made righteous by faith also. Faith, therefore, operates like God’s grace to give us the ability, the power to obey God’s law. This is why Paul says that “by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified,” because nobody can obey the law without God’s grace or faith.
Verses seventeen and eighteen make it clear that it is possible for us to fall away after we have come to Christ. “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.“
The next verse talks about being dead to the law. “For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.“
If this law that a person is dead to is the Ten Commandments, and being dead to the law means that we no longer need to obey the Ten Commandments, then are we free to commit murder or adultery, or any of the other sins prohibited by the Ten Commandments?
Notice how Paul became dead to the law. Verse nineteen says that he became dead to the law THROUGH THE LAW. The Ten Commandments convicted Paul of sin, and by the Grace of Christ he was able to overcome sin so that he no longer was under the condemnation of the law. If he never breaks the law, then he does not have to worry about the law. He has developed his character to the point that he naturally never sins. He is dead to the law. He is a born-again Christian, who, according to First John 3:9, “cannot sin.”
This verse is reminiscent of Galatians 3:24,25. “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.”
How is the Ten Commandment law our schoolmaster? The law points out our sins as Paul says in Romans 7:7: “What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.” When we look into God’s law, the Ten Commandments, and compare our characters to that law, we realize that we are in a terrible condition. When faith comes, when the power from Christ to overcome sin and obey the law comes, we are able to quit sinning. When this happens, we no longer need the schoolmaster, for our characters are then in harmony with Christ.
Galatians 2:21 tells us what we saw in Romans, that it is by the power of Christ, His grace and His faith, that we are able to obey the law. “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness comes by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.” Notice that Paul does not frustrate the grace or power of God to keep him from sinning. Paul, therefore, must be obeying all ten of the commandments. When he says that righteousness does not come by the law he is saying again that he can not keep the law by himself, without grace. Remember that the Ten Commandments define righteousness. (Psalms 119:172) Paul also says here that if he could keep the law without Christ, then Christ did not need to die.
Next let us continue into Galatians, chapter 3. Verse one says, “O foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ has been evidently set forth, crucified among you?” Notice the phrase “obey the truth.” What is truth? We saw in Psalms 119:151 that all of the Ten Commandments are truth. “You are near, O Lord; and all your commandments are truth.” Someone bewitched the Galatians by telling them that they no longer needed to obey the Ten Commandments.
As we continue in Galatians 3 remember that verse one said that the Galatians had been bewitched. “This only would I learn of you, Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?” Who is it that receives God’s Holy Spirit? We saw that those who disregard any of the Ten Commandments cannot have the Holy Spirit, for the Bible tells us in Acts 5:32 that God gives His Holy Spirit to those who OBEY Him. “We are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God has given to them that obey him.” Since it is impossible for us to obey the law without the grace or faith of Christ, we cannot receive the spirit by trying to obey the law without Christ’s help. Therefore grace or faith must come first to give us the power to obey the law so we can have God’s Holy Spirit. And we saw that God’s grace or faith can only come if we want to obey the Ten Commandments with all our being.
We saw in chapter one that Satan gives people his spirit and makes them believe that it is the Holy Spirit. Sunday-keepers cannot have the Holy Spirit because by keeping Sunday they are not obeying God.
“Are you so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh? Have you suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministers to you the Spirit, and works miracles among you, does he do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?” Here we see that the Galatians had become self-confident, believing that they could keep the law by themselves without the grace of Christ. Of course they could not keep the law without grace, and so when they became proud and self-sufficient they became backsliders.
You receive God’s Spirit by being willing to obey Him, by being willing to put fourth the effort required to overcome sin and keep His commandments. If you manifest an attitude of rebellion against keeping the commandments, or if you become self-confident that you can keep the law yourself, you cannot receive the Holy Spirit. When one becomes self-confident he thinks that he is righteous in himself. This is the recipe for failure.
Continuing with Galatians 3:6 “Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.” We see here again that true Christians are modern-day Israel.
Verse 8: “And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.” We saw earlier that to be justified was to obey the Ten commandments. Paul says that it is through faith that we get the power to be able to do this.
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that does them shall live in them.”
We have seen that no one can keep the law without help from Christ. That is what Paul is saying here when he says “no man is justified by the law. . .” He then goes on to say that the just shall live by faith, by grace, by the power of God. When our conscience against sin is strong by the power of God, we will not sin; we will not break any of the Ten commandments. Paul says in verse ten that if you are going to keep the law all by yourself, you had better keep them all that way.
We are seeing that there are many texts in the New Testament in many different books that say this same thing over and over again.
For I will learn for my mistakes and always wish to do God's will.
He shall come first in all that I do.
Thank God for Jesus!
Remember that Jesus, Himself, told us to keep the commandments if we expect to be saved. “And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said to him, Why do you call me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:16,17) How could it possibly be any clearer? | |
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Posted: 12/14/2005 6:37:48 PM | Wow Dei, we are rejoicing with you, if only one persons eyes are opened then this was a question that has borne fruit. We know it may be sudden but we would reccomend two places that have a book that is very eye opening and a copy of the scriptures that actually has Yahweh's name still printed in it. The book is entitled Fossilized Customs and can be found at www.fossilizedcustoms.com, the scriptures can be found at www.isr-messianic.org
The name of the website for the scriptures is institute for scripture research.
We will be praying for you as your eyes are now open and will continue to be opened to the most amazing truths that Yahweh will reveal.
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Posted: 12/14/2005 7:11:13 PM | One thing we were referring to may have gotton buried in the lengthy mathmatical equations but here it is "Now 1 is Sunday, the first day of the week, 2 is Monday, and so on."
That was in reference to your question " (Is it written any where which day of the week is the 1st?)"
We are not sure if there is anyone offended by Christians choosing Sunday to worship and Jewish people choosing Saturday. Mainly the question is to see if truth is revealed in shedding some light on the scriptures and to find out why it was changed from the day Yahweh commanded us to remember to keep holy. Also we see lots of division between Jews & Christians because of this. How can division be good? Also in a book entitled Come out of Her my People by CJ Koster, the author writes that anti-semitism was one of the main reasons why Sabbath worship was changed to Sunday worship.
For us it's more sad than offending that there is such division among people who believe the same thing, and worse that because of this we have effectively alienated the Orthodox Jews when we should be trying to reach them with the good news of the salvation that Messiah Yahshua can bring to their lives.
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Posted: 12/14/2005 8:59:01 PM | I thank you for this thread and I am always willing to learn God's will with the references to scripture make it all that much easier to understand His sayings, sometimes.
May God's peace and Love be expressed every Saturday, by everyone, every Sabbath.
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| 7th day sabbath and Sunday worship
Posted: 12/15/2005 12:06:09 PM | Steve&Kara, actually, the part in the math that said "1 is Sunday, 2 is Monday" is simply a mathematical preface to the calculations. It's a way to convert a date into a number. Thus, if you solve the equation and get X=5, then you know that the answer is Thursday. You could easily have set up the equations so that 1=Wednesday. Thus, if X=5, you'd know the answer was Sunday.
Thus, that mathematical exercise has nothing to do with any teaching about which day is the 7th day of the week.
Do you truly believe that having a different day of worship is alienating? What's your proof?
You state that anti-semitism is one of the main reasons why Sabbath worship was changed to Sunday worship. So far, there has been no evidence of this. One early poster told us when the date was changed. I posted from the Catholic Catechism about why it was changed. Had everything to do with the resurrection of Jesus and nothing to do with the Jewish faith.
If your question is about anti-semitism, perhaps we should start a new thread. | |
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