Kazot
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Joined: 12/7/2006
Msg: 101 | |
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Posted: 6/17/2007 7:54:34 PM | Seems like a lot of the loss of respect and or label a woman a slut isn't so much a double standard by men but intollerance from other women.
If it feels good and you don't have an SO or your SO agrees, go for it babe.
When I die I want my life so full of memories good, bad and just plain crazy wild that they have to get an expansion put in on the pearly gates to squeaze my spirit through.  | |
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Posted: 6/18/2007 2:13:26 PM |
Seems like a lot of the loss of respect and or label a woman a slut isn't so much a double standard by men but intollerance from other women.
It is a double standard by men. Men view the woman who do the 3-somes (particularly MMF) as easy/slut/whore...should I go on? They have no respect for that person as a woman.
If a man has a MMF or better yet, a MFF 3-some, they are patted on the back and called a champ. Not a man-ho/dirt-bag/gigolo, etc. THIS is a double standard. And to think, men still respect each other after such engagements. | |
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Kazot
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Joined: 12/7/2006
Msg: 103 | |
| Double Penetration
Posted: 6/18/2007 3:29:33 PM |
It is a double standard by men. Men view the woman who do the 3-somes (particularly MMF) as easy/slut/whore...should I go on? They have no respect for that person as a woman.
You make these generalizations but I haven't seen it. Go back through threads on kinks and you will find just as many and usualy more women being critical of women than you will men.
I think you may have been told something so many times you have come to believe it even if the facts contradict it.
If a man has a MMF or better yet, a MFF 3-some, they are patted on the back and called a champ. Not a man-ho/dirt-bag/gigolo, etc. THIS is a double standard. And to think, men still respect each other after such engagements.
men like sex. Most men like women that like sex. I think the difference is men will be happy that other men are getting sex and women will be unhappy that other women are getting sex.
Only way to know for sure is to start a thread and be open minded enough to accept what the conclusions are.  | |
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Posted: 6/18/2007 3:39:12 PM | | Evangelique is a very classy woman; that's not changed by her experiences.. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2007 3:47:31 PM | im not an actor so i dont take my self so seriously on this topic,
i will have to insist on the front part though and i just hate it when we bump sticks!lol
and give a warning before you shoot just so i can move, it's only curtious. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2007 6:44:26 PM | Ive never done DP and definately never would, two guys at once is not my fantasy, but thats besides the point.
Evangelique... I'm also going to school for a position in the criminology (or law)department and I was once offered a job as a stripper (making big $$$ more then i do now at a liquor store!) and my BIGGEST worry was... what if my boss, co-worker, ect... down the road knew me as that? It is a double standard for women, especially for women trying to enter a male dominated world. Aren't you worried that one day in your new career, someone will find out? As much as we claim we're an open minded society, that type of exposure could really ruin your chances of advancing in a career! | |
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Kazot
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Joined: 12/7/2006
Msg: 107 | |
| Double Penetration
Posted: 6/18/2007 6:56:29 PM |
my BIGGEST worry was... what if my boss, co-worker, ect... down the road knew me as that? It is a double standard for women, especially for women trying to enter a male dominated world.
There we go again. A women claiming this but no real evidence other than her concern it could happen.
And I don't see where all this male dominance is at. Anymore if a guy breaths wrong around a women he has a sexual harrasment claim filed against him.
Aren't you worried that one day in your new career, someone will find out? As much as we claim we're an open minded society, that type of exposure could really ruin your chances of advancing in a career!
Why would it? If there was even the slightest evidence that her being a stripper was somehow a consideration they best be able to prove a strong case that it would be harmful to the company or she will own the company.
I think women are the main reason the "double standard" myth survives.  | |
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Posted: 6/18/2007 7:14:33 PM | Kazot, you're stupid.
When did I mention sexual harrassment? Any career in law/crime is male dominated (meaning that there are more men then females). Which means, chances are, your boss is going to be a male. I wasn't attacking her, so why are you attacking me?
Men on here have already shown that some men can be judgemental and lose respect for a women that just experimented in bed. Imagine a 60 year old lawyer/criminologist finding out that the pretty new girl he just hired used to do porn!
I dont agree with the double standard... but as a female fighting for respect in a male dominated career... I could only imagine how much harder it would be if they already looked down on me. When it comes to a career like this, an ex-male pornstar might face some serious challenges as well. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2007 7:41:41 PM |
It is a double standard by men. Men view the woman who do the 3-somes (particularly MMF) as easy/slut/whore...should I go on? They have no respect for that person as a woman.
You're obviously hanging with the wrong crowd, then. Those are only the men you know. Granted, it may be a majority, but there are plenty of men who don't hold that view. | |
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wood88
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Joined: 2/11/2007
Msg: 110 | |
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Kazot
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Joined: 12/7/2006
Msg: 111 | |
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Posted: 6/19/2007 4:24:45 AM |
Kazot, you're stupid.
I'm not the one who keeps avoiding the statistics and spouting rhetoric from the way she was told to think or the way she just feels it is so.
When did I mention sexual harrassment?
You didn't, I did to explain why you are incorrect.
Any career in law/crime is male dominated (meaning that there are more men then females). Which means, chances are, your boss is going to be a male.
And this automaticaly means....... It means that they are even less likely to mention that she was a stripper for fear of harrasment claims or legal action. It isn't rocket science.
I wasn't attacking her, so why are you attacking me?
I didn't attack you I pointed out an inconsistantcy in your conclusion.
Why is it if some one disagrees with you you consider it an attack?
Aren't people aloud to have different opinions than you or are you offended by the concept?
Men on here have already shown that some men can be judgemental and lose respect for a women that just experimented in bed.
Where?
I see it much more prevelant from women.
Imagine a 60 year old lawyer/criminologist finding out that the pretty new girl he just hired used to do porn!
Yes lets imagine. How long do you think he will last if he does anything that can be used against him legaly?
I think you get to much of your world veiw from watching TV rather than from operating in the buisiness place.
I dont agree with the double standard... but as a female fighting for respect in a male dominated career... I could only imagine how much harder it would be if they already looked down on me.
Thats the problem, you imagine it and you spread the myth that it is true even though you can't prove it impericaly.
When it comes to a career like this, an ex-male pornstar might face some serious challenges as well.
So now you are saying that there isnt a double standard and it is just..... well what? | |
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Posted: 6/22/2007 11:26:40 AM |
I dont agree with the double standard... but as a female fighting for respect in a male dominated career... I could only imagine how much harder it would be if they already looked down on me. When it comes to a career like this, an ex-male pornstar might face some serious challenges as well.
You are so correct there. It's like a lot of people who get heavily tattooed when they're young, then find out later, that there aren't too many successful lawyers or executives with a full "sleeve" or whatever.
Society, makes the rules, and just because there are rules to protect in cases of sexual discrimination etc, doesn't mean they can't come up with a politcally correct excuse to either hire or fire who they please.
There are a lot of judgemental people both male and female. A lot more than you might think on here too. A lot of the guys on here who have no problem with this sort of stuff, are A: trying to get with some of these women, B: not looking for long term, C: trying to look good to the ladies on here.
Also, that kind of past can hurt you severely when you are married. Guys who are in high profile jobs or positions are not going to want to marry a girl whose past can come back on them too.
There are reasons a lot of these women with a colourful past are single. It's because a lot of guys don't see them as settling down material. They are more likely to look at them as "disposable" after use. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2007 6:12:35 PM | Originally posted by: tejas_yuki:
It is a double standard by men. Men view the woman who do the 3-somes (particularly MMF) as easy/slut/whore...should I go on? They have no respect for that person as a woman.
Tejas, he "double standards" that you claim we men continue to propogate (which, incidentally happen to be founded in the ancient and outdated Christian fundamentals...) are enforced even more vehemently by women. Just think back to high school and *assuming you weren't one of the school sluts* how you and your clique of female friends probably outed the girls who happened to be "popular" with the football team...
And have you ever noticed how a woman who is ok with participating in this type of behavior will easily have 4x the partners than the average person? Are you telling me that you wouldn't view the guy you are with differently if he told you he had 4x the partners you had - some of them at the same time?
If a man has a MMF or better yet, a MFF 3-some, they are patted on the back and called a champ. Not a man-ho/dirt-bag/gigolo, etc. THIS is a double standard. And to think, men still respect each other after such engagements.
True, men get congratulatory props when they score 3somes with 2 chicks. Hell, we high-five over a single scoring! Did you ever stop to consider why? It is 10x harder for the average male to have sex with a female than for the average female to have sex with a male. And FFM threesomes??? Do you have any idea how hard that is for a guy to achieve compared to a chick (who is usually single) getting MMF? I'll bet 100 to 1 odds the girl will get the double-plugging faster than you can blink. Those are COLD, HARD FACTS. It's the Creator's screwed up process called "natural selection". The female of the species gets her pick and choose of suitors while men have to work very hard to achieve their sexual goals. (Unless you happen to be male model/famous/wealthy etc...)
Besides, more often than not, the promiscuous female has self-esteem issues which is why she racks up the partners. She needs to be validated by men and if a male is sexually interested in her (and her upbringing didn't validate her as an intelligent individual worthy of being persued...) then she will give it up only to be hurt and need re-validation. It's all very messed up. And I know all of this from personal experience with the woman I married, and some other female friends who happen to still be single.
/RANT 
Back OT:
My personal opinion on the whole DP thing? To each their own. It's hot sure, but be prepared for the consequences down the line. I married a chick who did the MMF thing numerous times and has quite the colored past, and struggle with it every day.
Now the older 60's 70's crowd? They're a whole 'nother ball of wax. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2007 8:48:39 PM | I myself have considered it appealing to think about. Mind you I do not know very many guys that are open minded enough to be in the same room as each other let alone in the act together. I mean, why not, you only live once. Friggin enjoy it.
But DP porn is the greatest....hooray | |
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Posted: 8/26/2007 9:36:47 AM | Agreed. DP porn is the greatest....but I digress.
Guys tend to be a bit selfish and would not want to be part of a MFM. They just don’t want to share their girl with another guy and they want the ‘other guy’ to perform better than them. MFM can create a lot of drama in relationship and its like opening up a Pandora’s box. It would be better if it was more like an orgy with everyone having their own partner. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2007 10:23:01 AM | | Personally, I've never tried it or had the desire to....it would just make me feel like it was a total tag on me. There's nothing wrong with being submissive sometimes and playing rough, but when it comes to being used as an outlet for several others, I'm just not into that. Don't mind watching it though. Another thing...why don't you have a picture? | |
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Posted: 8/27/2007 7:51:00 PM | mydoggie- You are right. Men are selfish, and should be selfish, with the woman they are in love with. But you have to wonder about a guy who is willing to let another man shove his schlong into his woman... Either a) he's doing it because he believes it's the only way to keep you, b) doing it because he has absolutely no care or respect for you, or c) doing it because he's a 40-something year old swinger from the 60's 
Now if it was just me and a buddy banging some random twat that isn't mine? No biggie at all. (been there, done that...the husband watched... they're divorced now) AFter all, it's not MY psyche that will be damaged by it. I don't have to look this woman in the face and say "that dude John Doe had his****up your a$$"...
But oddly enough, it in no way surprises me that you and mouse are Californian and Canadian, respectively... damned Liberal-types  | |
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Posted: 8/27/2007 8:19:35 PM | To the poster who implied that the double standard thing was a figment of womens' imagination... Please take a look at the next thread on "Sex onthe first date" and see how many men say that even though they also participated in the act they would have no respect for her or consider her for a ltr because she had sex with them on the first date. I know its not everyman but would be approx 50% of them.
I married a chick who did the MMF thing numerous times and has quite the colored past, and I struggle with it every day. See here is another... Women deal with this every single time they meet a guy. Most men have had "colourful" pasts, and we don't judge them by it the way we are judged by men, and it is NOT in our imagination. This guy above married a girl with "colourful" past and still can't help judging her for it even though he may not want to.... | |
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Posted: 8/27/2007 9:10:19 PM | My experiences with working with people who experimented sexually with DP and other things:
Female ex-strippers are somewhat accepted, because part of the reason women are employed in high profile jobs is her looks, and an ex-stripper is likely to still have good looks.
Male ex-strippers not so, because because part of the reason men are employed in high profile jobs is her reputation, and an ex-stripper is likely to have a bad reputation.
Men in top-level jobs are not allowed to wear a ponytail, an earring, or any visible tattoos or piercings. Not a big problem for women, and if women are caught out with a "tramp stamp", the guys in the office just wolf-whistle at her. The guy caught with a tattoo is called into the boss's office, and 2 weeks later, no-one knows where he is, and is never seen again, even at company social events where ex-employees still attend.
He's an embarrassment to the company. She is not as much of an embarrassment.
An example: La Cicciolina is a female ex-porn star who was voted in as an MP to the Italian Parliament. Never heard of a male ex-porn start who was an MP.
Another example: Plenty of male politicians got kicked out of office after it transpired that they had sexually experimented. Female politicians have admitted to many things and kept their jobs. They were thrown out because of incompetence at their job.
My experiences with working with people who experimented sexually with DP and other things:
Most men grew up with girls who had not yet experimented sexually. I grew up with both. So I did not see any problem with it at all.
However, I met girls who had not yet experimented sexually.
As they got older, some of those girls experimented wildly, and some did not.
The personality of all those girls who experimented wildly, changed markedly, especially their attitudes to sex & dating, when they started experimenting under the age of 25. The personality and attitudes of all the girls who never experimented in this way, or only started experimenting over 25, did not change at all.
It was really horrible to see, when you see a girl you've known for years, who used to talk about sex and boyfriends like they mattered, start trading sex for a lift in a car, to go somewhere because they are bored. It is almost as horrible to see a sweet girl, start acting like a complete sl*t, just because she's dated quite a few guys.
That's why guys don't respect a girl who does this. She's not the same girl, and so many girls do become sl*ts that it's very likely that most guys have seen these changes in the girls they've known.
With guys, the same changes happen. But they only seemed to happen with guys who dated and dumped, time after time. Their sexual experiences didn't seem to change them. Only their dating experiences.
It's understandable.
Female sex is invasive. People who live in countries that got invaded by 20 different countries expect to get invaded and don't really put up much of a fight. Like Italy. Same with the ladies.
Male sex is penetrative. People who live in countries that invaded 20 different countries were not really that different after the invasions than before. Like America. Same with the men.
But there is a double standard that exists for women:
Lots of women want a sexually experienced man, and plenty said they don't want a virgin. Only a few said they didn't mind one.
Lots of men said they didn't mind a virgin.
The double standard seems to be that men want a woman who is less sexually experienced than they are, and women want a man who is more sexually experienced than they are. But not one who ever visited a prostitute.
Also, women seem to be much more inclined to stick to their criteria than men.
This is what I have seen. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2007 10:49:12 PM | | Personally I love the prospect of my woman, who loves ME wanting another man. Again, she loves ME lives with ME wants to spend time with and be with ME. However, if she wants to keep things lively and fun and is willing to take on a second or third at one time I say YAY! If I have a beautiful woman that loves me and is just in it for the ****ing, why not? Plus...if you think double penetration pornos are great, wait until you get to watch your partner perform it for you live and in person! It's a beautiful thing! | |
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Posted: 8/28/2007 6:11:42 AM | I've always enjoyed multiples/DP's.
Really, it gives you the chance of having more than one set of hands manipulating you, I love giving blowjobs and I can do that while another man is stimulating me... I enjoy anal when its done correctly and having both or even triple penetration just brings things to explosive new levels.
Pretty much every guy out there fantasizes about two women at once, its certainly not wrong the other way around. | |
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Paws81
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Joined: 10/25/2006
Msg: 122 | |
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Posted: 8/29/2007 5:29:34 AM | I've never had a problem doubling up on a girl. BUT, the trick is finding two guys that are comfortable with it. Most men get squeamish "what if our balls slap? etc." That's what ice is for! A gangbang is where you as man can shine: If you can stay hard with a group of guys and just one woman, you're a pro.
One fantasy I've had is 2 women, then one puts on a strap on and we DP the other girl. Now that would be fun! | |
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Posted: 8/29/2007 8:19:44 AM | I like triple too, or sometimes having four. Wish I/we could find women to join us as easy as we can find men! LOL! Would love to share several women at once! YUM! | |
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Posted: 8/29/2007 12:16:27 PM | | No just no, I don't get the appeal at all. | |
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Posted: 9/13/2007 6:27:50 AM | what if a guy thinks about dp? i dont think there is anything wrong with that either haha
i think its really up to the person. does the gal like anal? does she like the feeling of being filled up on both ends at the same time? is the guy cool with possible ball slapping with the other guy?
btw lets not forget that dp doesnt mean 2 guys. it can mean a guy and a toy or 2 toys at that. now by dp we really mean a tag team on the lucky gal... well then that is where the ball slapping and all that other complications could come into play. but you dont need a 2nd guy when it comes to dp!!! a toy does the trick and would remove all the things like jealousy and performance anxiety or any other bumps in the relationship (if you are in one)
so thats my input on the hole... err whole situation haha | |
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