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Posted: 1/1/2005 9:44:52 PM | | elwood give me the titles of these books or journal articles that you think I should read and I will? Or do you even have sources? | |
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Posted: 1/1/2005 10:22:55 PM | FP: Here's some good places to start if you want to learn what's wrong with Bush and his family and the republican party over the last century:
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bl_tft.htm
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U.S. Policy on Taliban Influenced by Oil
By Julio Godoy
Under the influence of United States oil companies, the government of President George W. Bush initially blocked intelligence agencies' investigations on terrorism while it bargained with the Taliban on the delivery of Osama bin Laden in exchange for political recognition and economic aid, two French intelligence analysts claim.
In the book, "Bin Laden, La Verite Interdite" (Bin Laden, the Forbidden Truth), that was released recently, the authors, Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie, reveal that the Federal Bureau of Investigation's (FBI) Deputy Director John O'Neill resigned in July in protest over the obstruction.
The authors claim that O'Neill told them that "the main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were U.S. oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it." The two claim that the U.S. government's main objective in Afghanistan was to consolidate the position of the Taliban regime to obtain access to the oil and gas reserves in Central Asia.
They affirm that until August, the U.S. government saw the Taliban regime "as a source of stability in Central Asia that would enable the construction of an oil pipeline across Central Asia" from the rich oilfields in Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, through Afghanistan and Pakistan, to the Indian Ocean. Until now, says the book, "the oil and gas reserves of Central Asia have been controlled by Russia. The Bush government wanted to change all that."
But, confronted with Taliban's refusal to accept U.S. conditions, "this rationale of energy security changed into a military one", the authors claim.
"At one moment during the negotiations, the U.S. representatives told the Taliban, 'either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs,'" Brisard said in an interview in Paris. [This threat was made before September 11th.] "
from: http://www.wealth4freedom.com/Elkhorn5.html
The Elkhorn Manifesto
Part V
RICHARD MILHOUSE NIXON
In this section we will explore the Nazi connections of Richard Nixon. To do so we must return to the years just after the end of World War II and, of course, a man named Dulles.
The irony of Nixon's political career ending with a cover-up can only be appreciated with the knowledge that this turbulent career also began with one. Loftus and Aarons state that:
"According to several of our sources among the "old spies," Richard Nixon's political career began in 1945, when he was the navy officer temporarily assigned to review . . . captured Nazi documents." The documents in question revealed the wartime record of Karl Blessing, "former Reichsbank officer and then head of the Nazi oil cartel, Kontinentale Ol A.G. "Konti" was in partnership with Dulles's principal Nazi client, I.G. Farben. Both companies had despicable records regarding their treatment of Jews during the Holocaust. After the war Dulles not only "lost" Blessings Nazi party records, but he helped peddle a false biography in the ever-gullible "New York Times."
The authors' sources reveal that not only did Dulles help cover up his Nazi client's record, he "personally vouched for Blessing as an anti-Nazi in order to protect continued control of German oil interests in the Middle East. Blessing's Konti was the Nazi link to Iben Saud [King of Saudi Arabia] and Aramco [the Arabian- American Oil Company]. If Blessing went down, he could have taken a lot of people with him, including Allen Dulles. The cover-up worked, except that U.S. Naval Intelligence scrutinized a set of the captured Konti records."
According to the "old spies," Allen Dulles made a deal with the young navy officer who was reviewing the Konti files - Richard Nixon. Nixon would help Dulles bury the Konti files. In return, Allen Dulles "arranged to finance [Nixon's] first congressional campaign against Jerry Voorhis." (1)
Dulles's support for Nixon paid off in 1947 when, as the freshman congressman from California, he "saved John Foster Dulles considerable embarrassment by privately pointing out that confidential government files showed that one of Foster's foundation employees, Alger Hiss, was allegedly a Communist. The Dulles brothers took Nixon under their wing and escorted him on a tour of Fascist "freedom fighter" operations in Germany, apparently in anticipation that the young congressman would be useful after Dewey became president." [He would be useful anyway, despite the fact that incumbent President Truman won reelection in 1948, defeating Dewey.] (2)
After Truman's victory, write the authors, "Nixon became Allen Dulles's mouthpiece in Congress. Both he and Senator Joseph McCarthy received volumes of classified information to support the charge that the Truman administration was filled with "pinkos." When McCarthy went too far in his Communist investigations, it was Nixon who worked with his next-door neighbor, CIA director Bedell Smith, to steer the investigations away from the intelligence community.
"The CIA was grateful for Nixon's assistance, but did not know the reason for it. Dulles had been recruiting Nazis under the cover of the State Department's Office of Policy Coordination, whose chief, Frank Wisner, had systematically recruited the Eastern European emigre networks that had worked first for the SS, then the British, and finally Dulles.
"The CIA did not know it, but Dulles was bringing them to the United States less for intelligence purposes than for political advantage. The Nazis' job quickly became to get out the vote for the Republicans. One Israeli intelligence officer joked that when Dulles used the phrase "Never Again," he was not talking about the Holocaust but about Dewey's narrow loss to Truman. In the eyes of the Israelis, Allen Dulles was the demon who infected Western intelligence with Nazi recruits.
"In preparation for the 1952 Eisenhower-Nixon campaign, the Republicans formed an Ethnic Division, which, to put it bluntly, recruited the "displaced Fascists" who arrived in the United States after World War II. Like similar migrant organizations in several Western countries, the Ethnic Division attracted a significant number of Central and Eastern European Nazis, who had been recruited by the SS as political and police leaders during the Holocaust. These Fascist emigres supported the Eisenhower-Nixon "liberation" policy as the quickest means of getting back into power in their former homelands and made a significant contribution "in its first operation (1951/1952).""
The authors point out that "over the years the Democrats had acquired one or two Nazis of their own, such as Tscherim Soobzokov, a former member of the Caucasian SS who worked as a party boss in New Jersey. But in 90 percent of the cases, the members of Hitler's political organization went to the Republicans. In fact, from the very beginning, the word had been put around among Eastern European Nazis that Dulles and Nixon were the men to see, especially if you were a rich Fascist . . ." (3)
This relationship between Richard Nixon and the Nazis developed because both he and Allen Dulles "blamed Governor Dewey's razor-thin loss to Truman in the 1948 presidential election on the Jewish vote. When [Nixon] became Eisenhower's vice president in 1952, Nixon was determined to build his own ethnic base.
"Vice President Nixon's secret political war of Nazis against Jews in American politics was never investigated at the time. The foreign language-speaking Croatian and other Fascist emigre groups had a ready-made network for contacting and mobilizing the Eastern European ethnic bloc. There is a very high correlation between CIA domestic subsidies to Fascist "freedom fighters" during the 1950s and the leadership of the Republican party's ethnic campaign groups. The motive for under-the-table financing was clear: Nixon used Nazis to offset the Jewish vote for the Democrats.
"In 1952 Nixon had formed an Ethnic Division within the Republican National Committee. "Displaced Fascists, hoping to be returned to power by an Eisenhower-Nixon "liberation" policy signed on" with the committee. In 1953, when Republicans were in office, the immigration laws were changed to admit Nazis, even members of the SS. They flooded into the country. Nixon himself oversaw the new immigration program. As vice president, he even received Eastern European Fascists in the White House. After a long, long journey, the Croatian Nazis had found a new home in the United States, where they reestablished their networks.
"In 1968 Nixon promised that if he won the presidential election, he would create a permanent ethnic council within the Republican party. Previously the Ethnic Division was allowed to surface only during presidential campaigns. Nixon's promise was carried out after the 1972 election, during [George] Bush's tenure as chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Croatian Ustashis became an integral part of the campaign structure of Republican politics, along with several other Fascist organizations." (4)
The authors describe Nixon's pro-Nazi activities in no uncertain terms: "Nixon himself personally recruited ex-Nazis for his 1968 presidential campaign. Moreover, Vice President Nixon became the point man for the Eisenhower administration on covert operations and personally supervised Allen Dulles's projects while Ike was ill in 1956 and 1957." (5)
One of the Nazis recruited by candidate Nixon was Laszlo Pasztor, described by Aarons and Loftus as "the founding chair of Nixon's Republican Heritage Groups council" who, "during World War II . . . was a diplomat in Berlin representing the Arrow Cross government of Nazi Hungary, which supervised the extermination of the Jewish population.
"[A]fter Nixon won [the 1968 Presidential Election], he approved Pasztor's appointment as chief organizer of the ethnic council. Not surprisingly, Pasztor's "choices for filling emigre slots as the council was being formed included various Nazi collaborationist organizations." The former Fascists were coming out of the closet in droves.
"The policy of the Nixon White House was an "open door" for emigre Fascists, and through the door came such guests as Ivan Docheff, head of the Bulgarian National Front and chairman of the American Friends of the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations (ABN). . . . an organization dominated by war criminals and fugitive Fascists. Yet Nixon welcomed them with open arms and even had Docheff to breakfast for a prayer meeting to celebrate Captive Nations Week." (6)
"During Nixon's "Four More Years" campaign in 1971-1972, Laszlo Pasztor again played a key role in marshaling the ethnic vote. No longer a marginal player on the fringes, now he held a key position as the Republican National Committee's nationalities director. . . .
"The Republican leadership cannot claim ignorance as a defense. [Syndicated Columnist Jack] Anderson's famous expose of Nixon's Nazis appeared in "The Washington Post" at the same time as the November 1971 convention. Among those mentioned was Laszlo Pasztor, "the industrious head of the GOP ethnic groups, [who] was never asked about his wartime activities in Hungary by the four GOP officials who interviewed him for his job." It was too embarrassing for Nixon to admit that Pasztor had been a ranking member of a Fascist government at war with the United States...."
from: http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas5.htm
Nazis in the attic, part 6
By Randy Davis
GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH
...Like Nixon, George Bush was deeply involved with supporting the Nazis in the Republican's closet. In fact, support for the Nazis was a Bush family tradition which goes back more than six decades and, once again, to Allen Dulles.
Loftus and Aarons write: "The real story of George Bush starts well before he launched his own career. It goes back to the 1920s, when the Dulles brothers and the other pirates of Wall Street were making their deals with the Nazis. . . ."
THE BUSH-DULLES-NAZI CONNECTION
"George Bush's problems were inherited from his namesake and maternal grandfather, George Herbert 'Bert' Walker, a native of St. Louis, who founded the banking and investment firm of G. H. Walker and Company in 1900. Later the company shifted from St. Louis to the prestigious address of 1 Wall Street. . . .
"Walker was one of Hitler's most powerful financial supporters in the United States. The relationship went all the way back to 1924, when Fritz Thyssen, the German industrialist, was financing Hitler's infant Nazi party. As mentioned in earlier chapters, there were American contributors as well.
"Some Americans were just bigots and made their connections to Germany through Allen Dulles's firm of Sullivan and Cromwell because they supported Fascism. The Dulles brothers, who were in it for profit more than ideology, arranged American investments in Nazi Germany in the 1930s to ensure that their clients did well out of the German economic recovery. . . .
"Sullivan & Cromwell was not the only firm engaged in funding Germany. According to 'The Splendid Blond Beast,' Christopher Simpson's seminal history of the politics of genocide and profit, Brown Brothers, Harriman was another bank that specialized in investments in Germany. The key figure was Averill Harriman, a dominating figure in the American establishment. . . .
"The firm originally was known as W. A. Harriman & Company. The link between Harriman & Company's American investors and Thyssen started in the 1920s, through the Union Banking Corporation, which began trading in 1924. In just one three-year period, the Harriman firm sold more than $50 million of German bonds to American investors. 'Bert' Walker was Union Banking's president, and the firm was located in the offices of Averill Harriman's company at 39 Broadway in New York.
"In 1926 Bert Walker did a favor for his new son-in-law, Prescott Bush. It was the sort of favor families do to help their children make a start in life, but Prescott came to regret it bitterly. Walker made Prescott vice president of W. A. Harriman. The problem was that Walker's specialty was companies that traded with Germany. As Thyssen and the other German industrialists consolidated Hitler's political power in the 1930s, an American financial connection was needed. According to our sources, Union Banking became an out-and-out Nazi money-laundering machine. . . .
"In [1931], Harriman & Company merged with a British-American investment company to become Brown Brothers, Harriman. Prescott Bush became one of the senior partners of the new company, which relocated to 59 Broadway, while Union Banking remained at 39 Broadway. But in 1934 Walker arranged to put his son-in-law on the board of directors of Union Banking.
"Walker also set up a deal to take over the North American operations of the Hamburg-Amerika Line, a cover for I.G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the United States. The shipping line smuggled in German agents, propaganda, and money for bribing American politicians to see things Hitler's way. The holding company was Walker's American Shipping & Commerce, which shared the offices at 39 Broadway with Union Banking. In an elaborate corporate paper trail, Harriman's stock in American Shipping & Commerce was controlled by yet another holding company, the Harriman Fifteen Corporation, run out of Walker's office. The directors of this company were Averill Harriman, Bert Walker, and Prescott Bush. . . .
". . . In a November 1935 article in Common Sense, retired marine general Smedley D. Butler blamed Brown Brothers, Harriman for having the U.S. marines act like 'racketeers' and 'gangsters' in order to exploit financially the peasants of Nicaragua. . . .
". . . A 1934 congressional investigation alleged that Walker's 'Hamburg-Amerika Line subsidized a wide range of pro-Nazi propaganda efforts both in Germany and the United States.' Walker did not know it, but one of his American employees, Dan Harkins, had blown the whistle on the spy apparatus to Congress. Harkins, one of our best sources, became Roosevelt's first double agent . . . [and] kept up the pretense of being an ardent Nazi sympathizer, while reporting to Naval Intelligence on the shipping company's deals with Nazi intelligence.
"Instead of divesting the Nazi money," continue the authors, "Bush hired a lawyer to hide the assets. The lawyer he hired had considerable expertise in such underhanded schemes. It was Allen Dulles. According to Dulles's client list at Sullivan & Cromwell, his first relationship with Brown Brothers, Harriman was on June 18, 1936. In January 1937 Dulles listed his work for the firm as 'Disposal of Stan [Standard Oil] Investing stock.'
"As discussed in Chapter 3, Standard Oil of New Jersey had completed a major stock transaction with Dulles's Nazi client, I.G. Farben. By the end of January 1937 Dulles had merged all his cloaking activities into one client account: 'Brown Brothers Harriman-Schroeder Rock.' Schroeder, of course, was the Nazi bank on whose board Dulles sat. The 'Rock' were the Rockefellers of Standard Oil, who were already coming under scrutiny for their Nazi deals. By May 1939 Dulles handled another problem for Brown Brothers, Harriman, their 'Securities Custodian Accounts.'
"If Dulles was trying to conceal how many Nazi holding companies Brown Brothers, Harriman was connected with, he did not do a very good job. Shortly after Pearl Harbor, word leaked from Washington that affiliates of Prescott Bush's company were under investigation for aiding the Nazis in time of war. . . .
". . . The government investigation against Prescott Bush continued. Just before the storm broke, his son, George, abandoned his plans to enter Yale and enlisted in the U.S. Army. It was, say our sources among the former intelligence officers, a valiant attempt by an eighteen-year-old boy to save the family's honor.
"Young George was in flight school in October 1942, when the U.S. government charged his father with running Nazi front groups in the United States. Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, all the shares of the Union Banking Corporation were seized, including those held by Prescott Bush as being in effect held for enemy nationals. Union Banking, of course, was an affiliate of Brown Brothers, Harriman, and Bush handled the Harrimans' investments as well.
"Once the government had its hands on Bush's books, the whole story of the intricate web of Nazi front corporations began to unravel. A few days later two of Union Banking's subsidiaries -- the Holland American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation -- also were seized. Then the government went after the Harriman Fifteen Holding Company, which Bush shared with his father- in-law, Bert Walker, the Hamburg-Amerika Line, and the Silesian- American Corporation. The U.S. government found that huge sections of Prescott Bush's empire had been operated on behalf of Nazi Germany and had greatly assisted the German war effort." (1)..."
from: http://www.rememberjohn.com/Nazis.html
Investigative reporter Christopher Simpson says in "Blowback" that after World War II, Nazi émigrés were given CIA subsidies to build a far-right-wing power base in the U. S. These Nazis assumed prominent positions in the Republican Party's "ethnic outreach committees." Simpson documents the fact that these Nazis did not come to America as individuals but as part of organized groups with fascist political agendas. The Nazi agenda did not die along with Adolf Hitler. It moved to America (or a part of it did) and joined the far right of the Republican Party.
Simpson shows how the State Department and the CIA put high-ranking Nazis on the intelligence payroll "for their expertise in propaganda and psychological warfare," among other purposes. The most important Nazi employed by the U.S. was Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's most senior eastern front military intelligence officer. After Germany's defeat became certain, Gehlen offered the U. S. certain concessions in exchange for his own protection. Gehlen promoted hyped up cold war propaganda on behalf of the political right in this country, and helped shape U.S. perceptions of the cold war.
Journalist Russ Bellant ("Old Nazis, the New Right, and the Republican Party") shows that Laszlo Pasztor, a convicted Nazi war collaborator, built the Republican émigré network. Pasztor, who served as adviser to Republican Paul Weyrich, belonged to the Hungarian Arrow Cross, a group that helped liquidate Hungary's Jews. Pasztor was founding chairman of the Republican Heritage Groups Council.
Two months before the November 1988 presidential election, a small newspaper, Washington Jewish Week, disclosed that a coalition for the Bush campaign included a number of outspoken Nazis and anti-Semites. The article prompted six leaders of Bush's coalition to resign.
According to Russ Bellant, Nazi collaborators involved in the Republican Party included:
(1) Radi Slavoff, GOP Heritage Council's executive director, and head of "Bulgarians for Bush." Slavoff was a member of a Bulgarian fascist group, and he put together an event in Washington honoring Holocaust denier, Austin App.
(2) Florian Galdau, director of GOP outreach efforts among Romanians, and head of "Romanians for Bush." Galdau was once an Iron Guard recruiter, and he defended convicted Nazi war criminal Valerian Trifa.
(3) Nicholas Nazarenko, leader of a Cossack GOP ethnic unit. Nazarenko was an ex-Waffen SS officer.
(4) Method Balco, GOP activist. Balco organized yearly memorials for a Nazi puppet regime.
(5) Walter Melianovich, head of the GOP's Byelorussian unit. Melianovich worked closely with many Nazi groups.
(6) Bohdan Fedorak, leader of "Ukranians for Bush." Fedorak headed a Nazi group involved in anti-Jewish wartime pogroms.
The Philadelphia Inquirer ran an article on the Bush team's inclusion of Nazis (David Lee Preston, "Fired Bush backer one of several with possible Nazi links," September 10, 1988.) The newspaper also ran an investigative series on Nazi members of the Bush coalition. The articles confirmed that the Bush team included members listed by Russ Bellant.
Journalist Martin A. Lee, has written for The Nation, Rolling Stone, The San Francisco Chronicle, and other publications. In "The Beast Reawakens," Lee confirms that during both the Reagan and Bush years, the Republican Party's ethnic outreach arm recruited members from the Nazi émigré network.
Lee says that the Republican Party's ethnic outreach division had an outspoken hatred of President Jimmy Carter's Office of Special Investigations (OSI), an organization dedicated to tracking down and prosecuting Nazi war collaborators who entered this country illegally. Former Republican Pat Buchanan attacked Carter's OSI after it deported a few suspected Nazi war criminals.
According to Lee, public relations man Harold Keith Thompson was principal U.S. point man for the postwar Nazi support network known as die Spinne, or the Spider. In the late 40s and early 50s, Thompson worked as the chief North American representative for the remaining National Socialist German Worker's Party and the SS. Lee writes that the wealthy Thompson gave generously to Republican candidates Senator Jesse Helms and would-be senator Oliver North. Thompson's money gained him membership in the GOP's Presidential Legion of Merit. Lee says Thompson also "received numerous thank-you letters from the Republican National Committee." Those letters are now in the Hoover Institution Special Collections Library.
Christopher Simpson writes in "Blowback" that in 1983, Ronald Reagan presented a Medal of Freedom, the country's highest civilian honor, to CIA émigré program consultant James Burnham. Burnham was a psychological warfare consultant who promoted something called "liberationism." Just before the 1952 election, the CIA worked up a multimillion-dollar public relations campaign aimed at selling Americans on expanding cold war activities in Europe. Part of the guiding theory (given the name "liberationism") was the idea that certain Nazi leaders from World War II should be brought in as "freedom fighters" against the USSR.
Reagan said that Burnham's ideas on liberation "profoundly affected the way America views itself and the world," adding, "I owe [Burnham] a personal debt, because throughout the years of traveling on the mashed-potato circuit I have quoted [him] widely." Reagan may not have known Burnham's theories were based on his work on projects that enlisted many Nazi collaborators, but it seems that Reagan's CIA Director Casey or former CIA Director, Vice President George Bush, would have informed him.
At a May 9, 1984 press conference, Simon Wiesenthal said, "Nazi criminals were the principal beneficiaries of the Cold War." The cold war mentality, hyped by Reinhard Gehlen and other Nazis, became the shelter for tens of thousands of Nazi criminals. Helping the far right in this country to promote cold war hysteria became the Nazi war criminals "reason for being." As Christopher Simpson says, the cold war became those criminals' means "to avoid responsibility for the murders they had committed."
also see:
http://www.rense.com/general42/bshnazi.htm
http://www.awolbush.com/
http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html
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Posted: 1/1/2005 10:29:07 PM | dmt, I do agree with you that GW Bush suffers from Narcissistic Personality Syndrome, among other things. The worst part of this is that he has nothing to be narcissistic about. I mean, the man is stupid, a failure, has no memory, no reasoning ability, no logic, no conversational skills, a learning disability, or two, or three, a defensive streak the breadth of Texas, a huge amt. of cowardice, zero conscience, the vocabulary of the TV character, Archie Bunker, and the charm of a skunk. Were it not for his good luck to have been born to a fortune, he'd be hand-washing cars at some street corner.
What a frikkin' dangerous loser we've been given as President by the Republicans! It's like they get some sort of joy out of having a lower primate in charge of our nation.
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Posted: 1/1/2005 10:39:17 PM | Sarah... I know my post was long.... but did you SEE all the Nazis the republicans have brought in?
The Bush family is/was the main connection here. Even jack anderson published it way back in 1971...
Doesn't anyone even care?
Jeez.... you point your finger at someone... you've got all the history and facts on your side.. you show everyone and they just shrug their shoulders like it's NOTHING.
Whoever else is reading this: Yes... this is why I HATE Bush, the Bush family, the Republicans, including Nixon, Dulles, Harriman and all the other republicans who support and have supported them. They're a curse to this nation and will only bring us down because the ONLY cause they have is their own GREED. | |
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Posted: 1/2/2005 12:30:59 AM | | sarah, lets say just for topic sake the united states did know. the U.S. could not stop them, germany was way to strong at the start of the war for enyone to do enything. | |
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Posted: 1/2/2005 4:14:56 AM | "germany was way to strong at the start of the war for enyone to do enything."
The United States could have spoken out if it knew. That would not have taken weapons, just pen and ink! | |
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Posted: 1/2/2005 4:26:05 AM | | DMT your definition of paranoia describes the marjority of elwood_blues' posts to be quite honest. | |
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Posted: 1/2/2005 4:30:09 AM | "your definition of paranoia describes the marjority of elwood_blues' posts to be quite honest. "
timmtc, maybe you could produce an equal, researched amount of information Elwood has availed to forum readers!
The word paranoia is an emtpy word without a justifiable and valid counter. | |
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Posted: 1/2/2005 4:33:44 AM | | Well if you want me to pop up www.google.com and search "Bush conspiracies" I sure can produce all the information and research you want. | |
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Posted: 1/2/2005 4:48:57 AM | | Why is it that when Bush and his policies are questioned, even by the entire world, it is seen as searching out "conspiracies?" The world is hardly blind to American foreign policy, for that matter even to policies at home. | |
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Posted: 1/2/2005 4:54:02 AM | Why is it that when a democrat is president, the republicans don't constantly complain and draw up theories about absurd things. There is a major difference between Democrats and Reupublicans (most of them) and that is maturity.
The thing that closed the deal for Jimmy Carter against Ronald Reagen was the constant name calling. Jimmy Carter would insist Reagan was a "nut" and he was "insane". People finally see through this, as you can obviously see from the election results. I respect people who are anti-war because they are passive, or people who don't like Bush because they prefer social economic policies. I get a kick out of those who hate Bush for the war, oh the war Kerry voted for. Kerry also had the same CIA intelligence Bush did you know, as did all the Democratic Senators that voted for the war.
I find it hilarious that because I am a republican, without even saying anything out of the ordinary I have been named a Nazi, racist and a hardcore jesus freak. Well, I am not a Nazi, I am not a racist and I don't even consider myself slightly religious. | |
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Posted: 1/2/2005 4:55:37 AM | timmtc,
you have not been called those names by me, young man! | |
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Posted: 1/2/2005 5:05:15 AM | | Well poetic I appreciate your maturity. It works both ways no question, right-wingers call the democrats socialists/communists and all that stuff, and we get the opposite end of it. Politics is my main interest, and political debate simply cannot be productive if people resort to name calling and assumptions based off of factual misrepresentations. | |
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Posted: 1/2/2005 6:17:52 AM |
The thing that closed the deal for Jimmy Carter against Ronald Reagen was the constant name calling. Jimmy Carter would insist Reagan was a "nut" and he was "insane". People finally see through this, as you can obviously see from the election results
Yes I aggree that using simplistic words like "nut" wasn't very useful. This is why it is important that people really understand Bush by having some awarenss of the disorders that he might be suffering from.
In Reagans case it was clear to most clinicians that something was very wrong with him long before he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease. I personally believe that there should be more robust ways of screening potential political leaders, as at the moment the main things that people require are money and an ability to communicate to the lowest common denominators of the publics opinions and fears. This is just no sane way to find the best people to lead an Empire.
As for democrats giving republican politicians a hard time, I'm not sure that people are giving Bush anything like as a hard time as people gave Clinton for a bit of harmless sex. At least in the case of Clinton his behaviour didn't suggest a serious personality disorder and permanent brain damage.
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Posted: 1/2/2005 8:07:08 AM | Swif defends this warmongering nation's choices by saying: "sarah, lets say just for topic sake the united states did know. the U.S. could not stop them, germany was way to strong at the start of the war for enyone to do enything. "
I say: So now this nation is simply not strong enough to go against a smaller nation. Uhuh.
And let's see, Swif, if GW Bush decides to, on a WHIM, occupy Iraq, attack Iraqis and kill Iraqis, against the protestations of Americans and the entire world community, without thinking of the civilian deaths, of the cost to our now-weak economy (thanks again, GW Bush!), etc., that's brave, tough and 'WAYTOGO, MILITARY DUDE!'
However, if our goverment sits watching as 6,000,000 Jewish men, women, children and babies are rounded up, tortured, shot, starved, raped, beaten, and murdered, and does nothing (for reasons which I can go into IF YOU WISH), then it's surely got to be a case of the, 'well we've got to be carefuls.'
This nation has a long history of having attacked other nations, manipulated other nations, plotted, prodded, paid for murder, and intruded upon the affairs of other nations. All of a sudden it's an innocent, helpless nation that can't occupy a smaller nation, Germany?? Sheesh. Like.. since when??
Frankly, my dear, I'm tired of hearing excuses. Or shall I call them lies?
Again I use the quote from Judge Judy Sheindlin:
"Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining." This country knew full well MILLIONS of Jews were being systematically murdered, and it made a choice: to allow them to die.
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Posted: 1/2/2005 8:08:28 AM | timmtc says: "Why is it that when a democrat is president, the republicans don't constantly complain and draw up theories about absurd things."
ROFLMAO! Oh my gosh. Did I really just read that?
Uh. May I encourage you to do some study?
Thanks.
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Posted: 1/2/2005 8:10:07 AM | Dear Sarah!
I just love the glow on your face when passion comes into play like that!
Seriously, each Administration excuses itself, saying it wasn't them. When it is them they
justify their actions anyway. So it's a win-lose mentality, and guess who loses... | |
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Posted: 1/2/2005 8:31:02 AM | "Why is it that when a democrat is president, the republicans don't constantly complain and draw up theories about absurd things. There is a major difference between Democrats and Reupublicans (most of them) and that is maturity. "
You obviously missed the Clinton years. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 8:43:52 AM | alienboy: because the democrats have never EVER had anyone in office who's nearly as dirty as bush... with a family history deeply associated with nazis...
If you think Clinton holds a candle to the corruption of the Bush clan, you're ignorant... | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 8:48:08 AM | timmtc: Are you the three monkeys or is ignorance just a way of life for you?
The corruption of the Bush family is MONUMENTAL. It's historic. NO family in American history is as involved with Naziism, lies to start a war, trading with the enemy, illegal imprisonment and torture than the Bush family.
If you won't read about it, you're a fool. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 9:02:56 AM | First of all what do the sources you provide have anything to do with the sources I asked you for? I asked you for sources that proved your point that the United States was the most powerful nation politically and economically in history before Bush. The sources you pointed out have nothing to do with that.
Also the sources you pointed me to about Bush aren't even credible academic sources. These sources aren't academically credible for a number of reasons. For example (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bl_tft.htm), (www.rememberjohn.com/Nazis.html) only make mentions to one source if that source can been seen as credible. That is hardly enough to make either of the credible by even moderate academic standards. This source (http://www.rense.com/general42/bshnazi.htm) makes mention to "some recently uncovered" documents but never mentions the title of these documents or where they can be found. This source ( http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html) makes references to newspaper articles in only gives month and year. It gives no solid references to these newspapers articles (i.e. Exact date of publication or even author). None of these sources makes reference to any primary source documents.
For example (http://www.wealth4freedom.com/Elkhorn5.html), (emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas5.htm) really only have one source and it is the same source. Basing a research article off of one secondary source does not make for a very credible research document.
This source (www.awolbush.com/) is a Bushwhacking source pure and simple. The documents that appear on this seem to be from Bush's military (or lack of) record. The bias in these sources is immediately apparent from the URL.
The sources don't prove your point that the United States was more powerful politically and economically before Bush. In fact they have nothing to do with the topic. None of these sources really reference primary source documents which further destroys their academic credibility. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 10:06:23 AM | Sarah, Princess Sarah!
Just so long as you still respect me in the morning, which can be so vastly different from
going to bed with a politician! Hehe
The Poet | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 11:03:28 AM | | With Clinton, some other people sucked, but I doubt Bush will be getting any of that. Of course, what with his family values, eh...one dead Iraqi, two dead Iraqis... | |
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