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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 12:22:42 PM | FP: maggot brain... First of all it's a matter of PUBLIC RECORD that Prescott Bush was forcibly divested of holdings in a company that sold ammo and oil to the nazis during world war II.
Second of all, YOU asked ME to tell you what to read. If you don't like the sources, look up the same topics about "bush nazis" and "repulicans nazis" and "forbidden truth" (which was a best seller everywhere in the world but the US), "Dulles nazis" whatever you want and you'll find thousands of posts.. and it's based on TRUE FACTS.
I can't force you to believe it, but I can surmise you're a dullwitted clown if you don't...
If you want to ignore that the US before Bush was the most powerful military and economy in the history of the world: that's fine.
I'm not here to tutor bozos... | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 2:18:02 PM | "So now this nation is simply not strong enough to go against a smaller nation. Uhuh"
in 1939 the united states was in a depression. ower millitary sucked big time. germany was the most powerfull country in europe. hitler pulled germany out of the depression, he got the war factories rolling and then the economy was booming. america wanted to stay out of the war because they knew the cost of lives it whould require and hitler didnt want to bring another powerfull country into the war so they did the best they could to hide all evidence of the concentration camps. america was more focused on japan then germany. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 2:29:04 PM | Gee, for Germany to be hiding those six million Jews, they sure had a funny way of going about that, especially since they were hauling them through various countries in cattle cars for example.
It hardly holds water that the U.S. didn't know, and as for the Depression of 1929 it affected pretty well everybody everywhere. The sad fact is that when a boatload of Jews came to America, they were sent back to Germany to die, which had to be one of the worst cases of lost hope ever! | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 2:33:15 PM | swiftcut: Hitler did NOT pull Germany out of a depression. American investors Henry Ford, John Rockefeller and Prescott Bush (and others) invested (through Hitler and corporations like "Brown Brothers" and "IB Farben") enough money in German Corporations to get their steel industries manufacturing weapons so they could start a war in Europe that the US would come in on the tail end of and monopolize the economies of Europe AND East Asia.
What they didn't count on was Russia pushing in to take over Eastern Europe at the end of the war and China's revolutionary government winning the war against nationalists. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 4:20:36 PM | Swif sez: "in 1939 the united states was in a depression. ower millitary sucked big time. germany was the most powerfull country in europe. hitler pulled germany out of the depression, he got the war factories rolling and then the economy was booming. america wanted to stay out of the war because they knew the cost of lives it whould require and hitler didnt want to bring another powerfull country into the war so they did the best they could to hide all evidence of the concentration camps. america was more focused on japan then germany. "
So you, a Republican, are saying that Germany, a country that had a population approximately 1/4 the size of the U.S., and a tiny landmass in a ration comparison to the U.S., had us beat in the strength, power and military department despite its economy being so bad that people had to take barrelfuls of currency to buy 1 bottle of milk? Ahem. With that irrational thinking it's no wonder YOU PEOPLE think GW Bush is doing so good for spending our surplus, then bankrupting us into the most gigantic deficit ever heard of on the planet.
Here are some FYIs for you. In 1932, the U.S. had 25% unemployment. In 1933 the U.S. had 26% unemployment. By 1939 that unemployment had dropped to 17%. By 1940 unemployment was down to 14%. The Gross National Product continued to rise throughout all these years. You tell me why the U.S. couldn't attack in 1942, all of a sudden could one year later, and, in fact, WWII led to one of the healthiest economic periods of the U.S.' life?
And hey, since when has the U.S. ever given a d*mn what cost of lives there would be in a war?
I go back to where I began. The U.S. govt knew millions of Jews were being systematically slaughtered and it did nothing to stop the slaughter.
And yeah, I agree with you that the U.S. was too d*mned busy killing Japanese civilians abroad in payment for their military having bombed our war ship. I also agree that the U.S. was too d*mned busy putting Americans of Japanese descendancy into camps. Funny how they didn't do that to Germans. Sounds like Nazi love. Look at Bush's family, a big-a** Nazi lovin' family if I've ever seen one.
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 4:24:41 PM | Oh Sarah, you are just smokin'
Seriously, when the facts are in they are hard to refute. The contention that Democrats are whiners when they lose, but Republicans just take things in stride must be why the latter took so many crooked, ahem, turns en route to the White House, which is really not a church, honestly.... | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 4:42:43 PM | The Princely One says: "Oh Sarah, you are just smokin'
Seriously, when the facts are in they are hard to refute. The contention that Democrats are whiners when they lose, but Republicans just take things in stride must be why the latter took so many crooked, ahem, turns en route to the White House, which is really not a church, honestly.... "
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I agree! I'm even beginning to think Jerry Falwell is here amongst us saying, "LET US PREY."
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 5:33:25 PM | Sarah: It's really not the presidents who run the world.... they come and go... it's the people who tell presidents WHAT TO DO. They're around longer than four or eight or whatever, years. They control the political parties.
The Bush family is very VERY dirty, as we said above, but yaknow what?
Bush isn't a billionaire. He may well be after he leaves office, for all the political favors he's done... He just put together a plan to better serve the people who REALLY count; to him anyway... His plan to invade Iraq that he had before he got elected, for example... I wonder how many others of the Republicans running against him had the same plan that they were telling the CEO's of Enron and Halliburton to get that campaign war chest filled up?
Big business runs the US. Big business gets us into wars. Big business controls our government... both parties... but the republicans more... because they hold the purse strings of the campaign money. NObody can get elected without hundreds of billions of dollars and our government is made up of their servants. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 6:20:30 PM | eb All you seem to be able to do is make claims and come up with 'evidence' that no credable historian or political scientist would ever put any faith. If you want to continue arguing a point you have no evidence to back up go ahead. Here are some basic books and journal articles that would repute your claim. They all use more then five different sources. Those sources include primary source documents. They are all printed either in monograph book form or in scholarly jounrals:
Ray, James Lee. Global Politics 7th Ed. New York: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1998.
Merriman, John. A History of Modern Europe Volume 2: From the French Revolution to
the Present. London: W. W. Norton & Company, 1996.
Addington, Larry H. The Patterns of War Through the Eighteenth Century. Indianapolis:
Indiana University Press, 1990.
Addington, Larry H. The Patterns of War Since the Eighteenth Century. Indianapolis:
Indiana University Pressm, 1996.
George Modelski. The Long Cycle of Global Politics and the Nation-State (in Varieties of
Modernization). Comparative Studies in Society and History, Vol. 20, No. 2, Varieties of
Modernization. (Apr., 1978), pp. 214-235.
Samuel Flagg Bemis. American Foreign Policy and the Blessings of Liberty
The American Historical Review, Vol. 67, No. 2. (Jan., 1962), pp. 291-305.
The above are all very credible source. Also if you would be so kind please stop insulting me. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 6:28:24 PM | It's well known even here in the UK that the Univ of Indianna is a very right wing institution.
Also, anyone who really knows academia understands that things are not simply true becuase they are published in academic publications or by academics. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 6:34:05 PM | | It is also well know though that well researched papers including cited evidence from other monographs and primary sources is closer to true then unsubstantiated articles from well known conspiracy theory sites. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 6:48:21 PM | FP: *LOL* Wait a minute... you asked ME what YOU should read... and then you expect me to believe you actually wanted me to give you a list of things to read... and that you read them...and then all the sudden this dove with an olive branch alighted on you and planted an idea that I should also read these things you told me?
First off: I don't believe you.
Second: I didn't ask you for this list. I don't need it.
Thirdly: Why do you keep insulting MY intelligence?
I knew you'd keep making these weak arguments...and I really don't have time to mess with you.
I didn't ask you. you asked me... my reasons are verifiable and they're true.
if you don't believe it, I could care less.
As I said before, I'm not a tutor for people who don't understand posts.
If you're going to tell me the posts aren't true, then be specific about facts: when, how and why? | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 6:59:24 PM | and Fourthly FALSE PROPHET: One can even tell from the titles of these sources you bring up that they have nothing at all to do with the specific topics I brought up, like:Prescott Bush's support of the Nazis, Bush family, 911, Nazis and the republican party, Bush's AWOL, or anything else.
I'm not looking for general knowledge.
You don't know the specific facts, and that means you clearly don't understand the whole picture...
Did you know that the US Army was fighting alongside the Japanese in attacking Siberia in 1918? ... and Wilson had AGREED to japan's annexation of Korea before that joint military adventure? and that the US was doing it's part in helping the Japanese build an empire which we would someday fight against so we could dominate the east asian economy?
http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/1624.html
Oh, I know you'll refute this also... but you don't know anything!!! so who cares? | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 7:22:28 PM | How is your argument wrong? Alright you've argued that the United States before George W. Bush was the most dominant country in history both economically and politically.
This is how I am going to dispute your claim.
The British Empire during the Victorian period controlled physical territory on every continent. These territories included Canada, Egypt, New Zealand, Australia, The Gold Coast, Burma, India, South Africa, Borneo, New Guinea, Nigeria, the Gold Cost, The Bahamas, British Guiana and Jamaica. How did the British come to this dominance? Some territories had come through colonization and were turned into dominions. Canada became the Dominion of Canada in 1867. It first acquired Egypt’s shares in the Suez Canal and later Egypt became a protectorate of Great Britain. British trade routes crossed most of the globe. So they managed to become this powerful through colonization, military conquest, diplomacy and manipulation.
I took the time to read through your source. I simply mentioned that they cited very little evidence especially primary source evidence. When they did mention primary source evidence they didn't give enough information about that source to make it possible to track down. That means that the information is suspect and difficult to verify. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 7:25:13 PM | | The argument you made was that the US up until George W. Bush was the most dominant politically and economically in world history. I have refuted this argument. Bush's family's connections to Nazi's doesn't support this argument. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 7:45:04 PM | FalseProphet sez:
The argument you made was that the US up until George W. Bush was the most dominant politically and economically in world history. I have refuted this argument. Bush's family's connections to Nazi's doesn't support this argument.
Honey, not only has Elwood refuted your argument, but he has refuted it OVER AND OVER AND OVER. How many times does it take? Need a neon sign too? 
You remind me of my niece. We were all sitting around the dining room table with some freshly baked chocolate chip cookies, and her mom gave her one. My niece said, "That's not the one I want. I want THAT ONE!", and pointed at another. I put one the one she had back in the cookie pile, and gave her another. Then she said, "NO! I don't want that one. I want THAT ONE!" She pointed at one my mother had. My mother gave her that one. Then she said, "This one doesn't have a lot of chocolate! I want one with a lot of chocolate!" At that point her mom picked her up and took her to her room.
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 8:01:08 PM | FP: Here are the meanings of refute.
Obviously, I was using the second one. I thought it would be more appropriate, since we were debating.
I NEVER said I was wrong.
re·fute ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-fyt)
tr.v. re·fut·ed, re·fut·ing, re·futes
1. To prove to be false or erroneous; overthrow by argument or proof: refute testimony.
2. To deny the accuracy or truth of: refuted the results of the poll. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/2/2005 8:03:14 PM | .. and thank you, Sarah... Jeez... how many ways does FP need to be shown?
... this is typical neoncism though. Nobody can win an argument unless both parties agree that one is right. Neocons NEVER admit they're wrong, no matter HOW obvious the facts are; therefore they never lose, regardless of HOW wrong they are.
F.P. is what he says: False Prophet. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/3/2005 6:26:01 AM | Yes, it is interesting isn't it that someone (and others on here) who argue that Bush is mentally coherent and responsible, and assert that US politics is straightforward and transparent are actually completely unable to focus on particular points made, prefering instead to attempt to mytstify people with pointless loops. This is why sometimes I think that the neo-cons are one an the smae person.
This false prophet guy does exactly what WM does...refusees to actually read or process what had been said and then tries to lead us on a silly little wild goose chase. Anyone could list a few references on any subject from underdraduate courses but what the hell is the point? None of what is really going on in US politics will be presented by academics until after Bush leaves office. Academics are too scared, they have an interest in playing the game...of dealing with things once they are cold, they mess around in cold ashes rather than risk sticking their fingers in a raging fire. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/3/2005 6:50:25 AM | When people have lived with and supported faulty systems long enough, they will not tune in to much that is contradictory. The radio may be on, but the dial is not on the station, so you get lots of static. That static interferes with sound, and sound reasoning.
I once asked a preacher out in a mall, "saving souls for Jesus," if her ever heard anything but his own thoughts when others were speaking, and he just gave me a blank look.
Yes, there are two sides to a coin, but if that coin has been laying on the ground for any length of time, chances are one side of that coin will be rusty or dirty or worse, while the upside will likely still gleam in the sun! | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/3/2005 6:51:46 AM | | Only a licensed Psychiatrist can make that call. Who are we to judge anyone whether we approve of what the person does or not. We are quick to make judgements on others, but try putting the shoe on the other foot. How would you feel if it were you being judged??? | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/3/2005 6:56:19 AM | what makes you think that there are not qualified psychiatrists using this site?
Furthermore, mental illness is something that is culturally constructed, ideas about norality and abnormality are made by everybody, not just medics. Therefore it is acceptable for people to think about the workings of the mind of political leaders. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/3/2005 8:09:48 AM | Bush is not a psychopath. He seems to be in complete control of his neurological functions and completely rational.
He IS a sociopath, meaning he uses his position in society to further his own interests at the expense of others; which is our nation.
Sociopaths are not looneys necessarily. They're just very greedy people who use others. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/3/2005 9:15:55 AM | "Reading some of the pure garbage sarita, elwood, dmt, and poetic posts makes me wonder how you function in society."
One thing is certain, Varus, with an opening line like yours, you certainly can't be out to make friends and show much by way of intelligence.
The people who question, using logic and research, you and your ilk at best try to ridicule into silence. It may even work in some cases, but don't worry about how we function. We do as well as you or anyone else who uses your kind of approach, which in all likelihood is a whole lot like the approach used in the wholesale destruction of sovereign nations and much of the planet, for that matter.
I am neither Replublican or Democrat. We don't have those parties in my part of the world. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/3/2005 9:20:18 AM |
Just a warning for you rabid feminazis get ready for Roe V Wade to be overturned once Bush appoints a few more supremes.
And you just wait until they reinstate the draft....
Thats going to happen long before Roe V Wade gets overturned. | |
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