| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/5/2005 10:54:34 AM | Agreed
*LOL* UHhhhhhhhhhhh Okay.. you never agreed before... but go on...
but how much is too much and who's qualified to decide?
*That has nothing to do with the last argument you made.
This is why people like myself are investing in the euro and making a killing.
*Change the subject, like any neocon *hahahahh*
And do you really think people that have made substantial amounts of money are going to continue to work hard and employee people when the government only takes more the more you make. Let me put it simply so you can understand; the production of a couple of offices is the same as 10 once you exclude the taxes, employees, and lawsuits.
*on what planet? *LOL* That's a totally absurd argument. PROVE IT!!!
Growing up my father created a large insurance agency that included 15offices and over 40 employees. By the time he sold out it was such a pain dealing with all the government regulations due to the size the business had grown that it was more economical to just shut down all of the offices but 3. This is happening to business owners all over the country and they are wising up and moving on.
*maybe your father didn't have enough business to justify his expansion in the first place?
Sure doesn't sound like it...
Insurance businesses are losing their shirts because of the stock market. Why are YOU blaming "socialism" ????????????????????????????????
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/5/2005 11:27:09 AM |
If Canada is such a great place why do a large number of you travel to the u.s. to work? Just a thought.
If Canada is such a bad place why do a large number of you vacation here?
If Canada is such a bad place why do many of you pretend to be Canadian when overseas?
If Canada is such a bad place then why does the US buy so much of our resources?
Just a few thoughts. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 11:29:19 AM | varus,
why do 2% of canadians go to the us to work? you answered that question - to pay lower taxes. besides which, they often get paid more since most of them are PhD's as u indicated on an earlier post.
but the majority of canadians (over 90%) still pay the higher taxes and choose to live in canada. however, WHAT WOULD BE THE INCENTIVE FOR AMERICANS TO IMMIGRATE TO CANADA? after all, your capitalist dreams, your non-liberal society and your low taxes should be able to keep americans happy. but i keep reading articles like http://www.stpetersburgtimes.com/2004/11/07/Worldandnation/Bush_s_re_election_sp.shtml
about how americans really want to move to canada DESPITE our high taxes. we must have something going for us then, don't you think? | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 11:31:08 AM | hi.. canuk here...
ppl traveling to the US for work.
well up here we call that the "brain drain"...
many of our proffessionals are enticed to relocate in the states for higher wages and such.
In general, its considered to be a practice of removing another resource from us
but i guess that can be chaulked up to economics.
cudos to elwood, coati, singlemaltgirl and others who fight the good fight here.
i agree with elwood on pretty much everything....
bush scares the hell out of me. I can't believe he got re-elected. i wasn't too suprised seeing how much cheating went on in the last election. but i did alot of head shaking....
in sympathy for the americans with some scruples and intelligence, and pure disgust for the greedy and/or ignorant, moral sellouts who voted FOR the antichrist. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 11:31:12 AM | | ms - good post. d*mn i wish i could come up with them as well as you! | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 11:32:57 AM | | thanks elvin. sometimes, i really don't think we're getting through to the ones that really need to give their head a shake. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 11:41:09 AM |
ms - good post. d*mn i wish i could come up with them as well as you!
I'm a battle scarred veteran of the wars on this forum.  Varus is just a shadow compared to people like Watchman and Lokus.
Besides, you seem to be holding your own quite nicely. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 2:47:12 PM | | I actually miss all those neo-nazis. They made me feel so clever by comparison. I even miss poor old larry | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 3:08:46 PM | Little George is a clone! A conspircy of the Bush Clan to rule the world someday.
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Posted: 1/5/2005 3:58:37 PM |
If Canada is such a bad place why do a large number of you vacation here?
If Canada is such a bad place why do many of you pretend to be Canadian when overseas?
If Canada is such a bad place then why does the US buy so much of our resources?
Just a few thoughts.
MSquared, Have I mentioned I'm open to having a marriage of
convenience with a Canadian? But only if I get to move there.... ;)
Especially now after the House pulled their Ethics BS vote... ugh.
This country is going into the morality crapper, and they thought
it would be the Liberals to take the US down to hell.... | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 4:31:18 PM | Shannanigan,
Did the House vote to scrap the ethics law today? I knew it was on the slate, but I didn't think they'd actually do it... | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 4:45:35 PM | They sure did Coati.... I can't believe after all the praise the Senate Republicans
got yesterday for not pulling that BS, the House did it anyway.
Party of morality my butt... selective morality that benefits them only apparently.  | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 4:51:23 PM | That's incredible. Tom Delay took all the credit for withdrawing the motion to remove the ethics requirement yesterday.. Probably because he knew the House would make it so that as long as he didn't commit a crime he couldn't be investigated for an ethics breach.
*sigh* | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 5:03:12 PM | I know.... its sickening. Anyone who doesn't see
the US heading towards fascism is a fool.
Makes me sad.... | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 5:36:30 PM | singlemaltgirl says:
bush and his administration, are not mentally ill just morally
bankrupt."
I couldn't agree more.
Sarah | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 5:55:31 PM | msquared said:
If Canada is such a bad place why do a large number of you vacation here?
If Canada is such a bad place why do many of you pretend to be Canadian when overseas?
If Canada is such a bad place then why does the US buy so much of our resources?
Just a few thoughts.
I love Canada. It's beautiful, awesome, classy, fascinating. I'm envious of you Canadians.
Sarah | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/5/2005 6:30:59 PM | As a Canadian, maybe my take on Bush is slightly skewed. You see, I found it unbelievable that Bush essentially campaigns on the fact that he's a regular Joe...not too bright, but one of the 'good ole boys'. Now, perhaps it's just me, but while that's nice and all, the guy who's in charge of the country...well, I kinda want him to be smart too. Y'know? After all, the job includes certain requirements, such as being in charge of say, foreign policy; economic development; education and health care which generally require skills above making change for a twenty and remembering to ask if you'd like fries with that.
The problem is...he campaigns on this because it wins him elections...that means that the majority of U.S. voters WANT someone in power who they feel is about as qualified as they are to run the country. Now, THAT is scary...
I've seen 'good ole boys', nice enough fellas, sitting at the bar while having a couple Millers, and I just don't think they're up to it. In fact, I get the sense they'd think multilateral bi-partisan has something to do with threesome parties featuring lesbians.
And that's Bush. Not mentally ill. Just not bright. But absolutely knows how to appeal to the lowest common denominator of the electorate (who happen to just make up slightly more than the needed number of electoral college votes).
What gets me is that he was re-elected. Now, for the right wingers out there, before you go on about democracy and how it was won fairly and so on...no problem. But the thing is, he's roundly held in contempt internationally...and not because the rest of the world is led by bleeding heart liberals. It's because he's a f*cking moron, who is crass, arrogant and doesn't actually understand most of the things that go on around him. His economic policies are driving the U.S. economy into the ground, his environmental policies make Exxon look like Greenpeace and his concept of international relations I believe begins and ends with the number of armies you get in Risk if you hold Asia. This guy fails at the one thing conservatives were supposed to be good at...saving bucks and essentially being fiscally restrained.
I won't comment on his moral stands, although I find them repugnant, but I will say this. If Jesus was voting, he'd have voted Nader. I am not joking, given the choice of the three candidates, he'd have voted for peace, sharing of wealth to the less fortunate and the protection of the environment from big business.
I guess it's just the fact that I come from a country that is so far to the left of both the Republicans and the Democrats (trust me, Kerry would have been considered ultra conservative in Canada). The elections in the United States are not about informing the public, the public basically doesn't want to be informed...they want to be fed what they want to hear. Even if it's a fantasy. What the world watched leading up to the November vote would have been a funny movie, but is a terrifying reality for our world's only remaining superpower (well, except for China in ten years, but never mind that for now...)
The western world is finding the United States to be as foreign a culture as Japan or Argentina or Thailand. From the incredibly fanatical Christian beliefs that are now so apparently mainstream, to gun violence, to the inner-city poverty, to the undoing of 50 years of international law with 'pre-emptive strikes', to the ignoring of all voices internationally, to capital punishment laws that allow minors and mentally retarded individuals to be put to death, to the simply awe-inspiring misinformation that led to the majority of the electorate actually believing that Sadam Hussein had direct involvement with 9/11... I've never felt more foreign than when I travelled to the U.S. this summer.
It's sad. But he's not mentally deficient...he's just not bright about the sorts of things you need to be bright about to lead a country and very bright about the things you need to do to be elected leader of that country. A dangerous combination.
Sorry to babble...and please understand that I'm not meaning this to be anti-american. I find the people of the United States to be good, caring, hard working and wonderful people. I just can't understand all y'all sometimes. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 6:37:28 PM | Woodrow: you're a good guy.
Bush is not just a good'ol boy. He's part of a group of people starting wars in the world so they can make money by selling arms, ammo and rebuilding what they blow up.
He is as he says a "war president".
Read "timeline of Treason" about the Bush family and you'll see what I mean.... these are historical FACTS | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 6:40:00 PM | | Fellow Americans... if you go to the "Death of a Marine" post, it gives a website where you can light a candle for Brian Parello... one of the victims of this terrible war... trying to do the right thing. Say a prayer if you believe... | |
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Posted: 1/5/2005 6:42:30 PM | singlemaltgirl says:
varus,
why do 2% of canadians go to the us to work? you answered that question - to pay lower taxes. besides which, they often get paid more since most of them are PhD's as u indicated on an earlier post.
but the majority of canadians (over 90%) still pay the higher taxes and choose to live in canada. however, WHAT WOULD BE THE INCENTIVE FOR AMERICANS TO IMMIGRATE TO CANADA? after all, your capitalist dreams, your non-liberal society and your low taxes should be able to keep americans happy. but i keep reading articles like http://www.stpetersburgtimes.com/2004/11/07/Worldandnation/Bush_s_re_election_sp.shtml
about how americans really want to move to canada DESPITE our high taxes. we must have something going for us then, don't you think?
I love this post. It says it all.
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Posted: 1/5/2005 11:24:26 PM | MSquared, Have I mentioned I'm open to having a marriage of
convenience with a Canadian? But only if I get to move there.... ;)
I'm a black sheep, but I'll find you a good Canadian.
Seriously, after reading your profile and some of your posts, I can say that you're one of those Americans that make us Canucks glad to have you for neighbours. Keep up the good fight. | |
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Posted: 1/6/2005 8:12:33 AM |
Where to begin,
You could start by treating the discussion with respect and considering the other viewpoints we've raised...
Unfortunately most of you will continue to be chained by the restraints of your ineptitude.
Oops. So much for that. *grin*
The wealthy are no different than the rest of you.
Except for the fact that they're wealthy. This might be because they worked hard and saved every penny. Or it could be an inherited fortune. Regardless, they are wealthy because they have vastly more resources to their name than your average joe.
you're so obsessed with the delusion that corporations are evil
Corporations, while capable of performing evil acts (a la Enron) are not necessarily evil in themselves. They are just beholden by law to attain profit for their share-holders in whatever way possible. If concerns about the environment, public safety, health and welfare or ethics get in the way of this quest for profit, then they are to be ignored.
This ain't my opinion bud, its enshrined in the law. That's why we need government regulation - to ensure that corporations play by the rules and keep public interests in mind. The examples of corporate vice running rampant under deregulation are unfortunately becoming too common to list. | |
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Posted: 1/6/2005 10:32:03 AM | Varus: Some wealthy people have more in common with the rest of us than others. There are indeed wealthy people who see that everyone suffers for the greedy ways of a president like Bush. Many billionaires came out against him and the way he and the Republicans have run the government.
Success is a matter of "sacrifice" and "achievement" for afew; but how about you, for example?
Isn't it more a story of you being born on third base with your dad owning a big insurance company and you getting to reap the rewards without having to work hard for it? :-|
How can you judge others who don't have the comforts you do who are constantly having to pay for the excesses of a small portion of society who own everything and control the politicians?
You act as if you're a self-made man or something *LOL* you've told us where you got YOUR stuff from but you want to stand over us and beat your chest and tell us how undeserving we are?
I think NOT.
"trickle down" economics DON'T work. Political manipulation of the economy works both ways. The economy can be slowed down by lack of consumer demand and devaluation of the currency to the point where finding a job is hard and the money won't buy enough.
Republicans have done this since the beginning of the twentieth century and used this method to buy up everything for a small group of people.
Democrats have stimulated demand and made the dollar more valuable so it buys more.
Republican government is a burden upon everyone but the wealthy and that's a fact. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/6/2005 12:03:56 PM | | im sorry but blaming the system for not being able to make a living is nothing more than an excuse for laziness. You have to have the drive and the integrity to work hard for a living and then reap the benifits of your hard labor.You cant just expect to be handed money to live when you do nothing...survival of the fitest....now i am by no means rich but i am comfortable and ive worked my azz off to be where i am at today......including going to war, and yes we make good money to fight! | |
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Posted: 1/6/2005 12:12:13 PM |
im sorry but blaming the system for not being able to make a living is nothing more than an excuse for laziness.
My apologies. I'm not really sure where you're seeing people blaming the system for anything in this thread. Thats what Varus is accusing us of doing, but I've just been ignoring those aspects of his posts.
Could you provide a quote?
Also, curiously enough, whenever an argument is made for privatization or deregulation, this is exactly the case that argument is making. The system should be deregulated because it is interfering with business's profitability.
Isn't that blaming the system for not being able to make a living? If so, why is it cool for a corporation to do this but not cool for individuals? | |
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