| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/6/2005 8:53:29 PM |
Sorry for the confusion...I was speaking strictly percentage of voters (which I didn't clarify either). 43% and 50% respectively. That is not majority in the truest sense of the term.
Sorry, but do you mean percentage of the total population actually able to vote?
If you think of it that way... did Bush actually win the majority? Because my
understanding is only 60% of America voted. Which (and I admit I have lousy math skills)
would lead me to believe Bush only got about 30% (ish) of America to vote for him.
Thats why the "mainstream" and/or "majority" arguement always seems a bit weak to me... | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/6/2005 9:02:29 PM | I was a little off.
Jackson won the popular vote in 1824 and the most electoral votes, but lost to JQ Adams when the election was decided in the House because no candidate won a majority (over 50%) of the electoral votes. There were 4 candidates.
Two others besides Bush and Adams won without the popular votes.
Benjamin Harrison and Rutherford B. Hayes. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/6/2005 9:05:03 PM | Percentage of the votes cast.
Considering you rarely even get 50% of registered voters voting, no president ever came even close in that sense  | |
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Posted: 1/6/2005 9:17:03 PM | Yeah no kidding... lazy asses. I mean really, unless you are disabled in someway how hard is it to get out and vote once every 4 years? Once every 2 years for Congress for that matter.
The Non-voters make me almost more angry than Republicans.... not not quite.  | |
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Posted: 1/6/2005 9:23:03 PM | That's something I don't understand either. We're totally on the same page there. It's probably one of the only pages we'd agree on.
I just can't understand why someone would not care about issues. At least liberals, democrats, republicans and conservatives care enough to have some type of knoweledge about an issue and debate it and at least voice your opinion on election day.
I agree it is very difficult to find the truth in much of the crap that is out there and sort it all out to make a somewhat educated decision on things, and as we probably agree there are 10 different ways to look at a set of numbers and make a decision, but at least keep up and join the d*mn debate. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/9/2005 6:19:42 AM | shan says:
The Non-voters make me almost more angry than Republicans.... not not quite.
I agree with you. Non-voters are stupid.
I'd like to add another group to the list of stupids, and it's the Naderites. In 2000, they were the ONLY reason that BUSH got into the White House.
If the Naderites had not done that, out of - I'm guessing - some truly ****ed up need of Nader's to gain publicity, today we would not have that Repugnican mental midget in the White House at all. We have the Naderites to thank for these truly ****ed up 8 years of destruction of our country. Our economy is now crap. We have no jobs. The dollar is sh*t compared to the Euro. The mental midget has singlehandedly created a debt that our grandkids will still not have been able to pay for. Our rights have been trampled on. The pollution is at an all-time high. More power than ever has been conceded to the corporations (who are slowly becoming the U.S.'s true government). The gap between rich and poor is becoming so massive, that people are leaving. Last, but not least, looks like the mental midget has in mind instituting a draft so the U.S. can become the world's most massive serial killer for the next few centuries.
Thanks, Naderites!
Nader is so dirty, he even admits now being financed by Repugnicans. Doesn't even bother to hide the fact that he's just another Repugnican. Libs, from Noam Chomsky to any lib you can think of, have asked Nader for years to stop doing that ****ed up sh*t.
Does Nader give a sh*t that the poor are suffering under the mental midget? Hell no. He only cares about fame. He sees himself old, and wants to exit this earth in a popularity bang, even if he has to do it as an infamous shmuck to do it.
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/9/2005 8:21:43 AM | Unfortunately I do not have time to read all what has been written after the last time I visited.. but a comment:
At least the goverment of Bush seems to be equally good in using propaganda as some other dictators before in history. How can a state's administration pay to a journalist so that he will say nice words about No Child Left Behind program? - Pure propaganda and corruption. When the media is not "clean" anymore, one should get really worried. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 8:41:42 AM | Hi OUSU: Corruption in the media regarding the Bush administration isn't so much a matter of paying people off as much as it is the Bush administration "hanging a 'jacket'" (as in "straightjacket" which is used to make mental patients incapable of resisting their captors) on reporter OR the news bureau the reporter works for.
During Watergate, years ago; Dan Rather asked Richard Nixon "Mr. President, did you know about the Watergate breakin before it happened?"
Nixon said he wouldn't dignify that question with an answer and went on to the next reporter.
Dan Rather continued to ask the question and Richard Nixon kept denying, even after other facts in the case seemed to indicate that he INDEED knew about the breakin.
One day, President Nixon warned him not to ask that question again, as he said it was an insult to the office of the president. Rather repeated the question. Nixon had him escorted OUT of the press room and as Rather left; Nixon yelled out "I'll see to it you never come back here. I'll make sure you never work in Washington AGAIN!!!".
This is the type of power a president like Bush has over the press. The News bureaus lose money whenever there's a story they can't cover as well as the other news services. Competition is keen and money is scarce. They pay incredibly high salaries to tv news reporters. They're paid like Hollywood movie starts with salaries like 5 million (or more) per year.
If news bureaus are excluded from government news conferences on issues like Iraq and the other things selectively fed to them by the White House, they're afraid they'll face economic ruin. Same with reporters...
I guess one would have to conclude that the system "greases their palms" just by making the rewards of their job as high as they are...probably more effective than a bribe... Loss of that lifestyle sure makes them afraid to report the truth, anyway... | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/9/2005 8:48:36 AM | Hi Elwood, that is scary... and depressing. Heh, where was the thread about the US being free country?!
Seriously all these facts sound the question is about new Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, etc. Hard to say whether they were mentally defined ill but at least emotionally not that well doing people. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 9:07:03 AM | ousu: There are alot of ways to define "mental illnesses". Some are obviously legitimate; such as in cases of turrette syndrome, where the victim of the illness is constantly spewing their deepest psyshological thoughts and cursing everyone out loud and in public. Another would be some forms of schizophrenia where a person constantly steps outside themselves to become a different person.
But many things called mental illness are in fact states of mind that most of us usually consider to be sane, balanced and rational; except for the fact that the person's actions create havoc with others. It's really a judgement call with many people like thieves, murderers and liars. If they knew they'd have to face the consequences of their actions, they why would they do what they did?
However, when you have people who are so rich and powerful they never have to face the consequnences of their actions and they can always find a way to "look good" or cover up, then they tend to act in sociopathic ways; "sociopathic" meaning they have no regard for anyone's welfare but their own. They think that since they are part of everyone, then "everyone" benefits when they do something to benefit themselves...much like the "royalty" classes before modern popularly elected governments came into being.
If someone says "HEY, WHAT ABOUT US????", they look upon those who protest as if they were traitors, neglecting that the reason the government was set up in the way it was to begin with is because the "less fortunate" fought long battles and many died to ACHIEVE THOSE RIGHTS.
It's a fact that in this world, any contract has to be continually renegotiated. If you think your nation's laws or constitution protect the rights it lists, you're not realizing that it may take an act of the Supreme Court, forming a new political party or even a civil war of some sort to make your claim on those rights effective. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 9:17:08 AM | New Bush Administration Rule Reduces Clean Air Regulations
By Katharine Q. Seelye
The New York Times -- WASHINGTON
After more than two years of internal deliberation and intense pressure from industry, the Bush administration has settled on a regulation that would allow thousands of older power plants, oil refineries, and industrial units to make extensive upgrades without having to install new anti-pollution devices, according to those familiar with the deliberations.
The new rule, a draft of which was made available to The New York Times by the Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental group, would constitute a sweeping and cost-saving victory for industries, exempting more than 17,000 industrial plants and refineries from a portion of the Clean Air Act.
The exemption would allow industrial plants to continue to emit hundreds of thousands of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere and could save the companies billions of dollars in pollution equipment costs, even if they increase the amounts of pollutants they emit. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 1/9/2005 9:30:45 AM |
"you can fool some people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time" Bob Marley
...I always thought it was Abe Lincoln who said, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time." | |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 9:36:55 AM | Hi JPO: "Honest" Abe Lincoln probably made that remark at some point in his life.
Also: Bob Marley was born in New Jersey :-)
His Mom was a Jamaican and he relocated there with her about the time he turned 17. Sure sounds like an "authentic" rasta Mon, though... doesn't he?
Interesting facts: Rastfarians believed Hailey Selassi, the emperor of Ethiopia was the second coming of the Messiah... they also used marijuana as a sacrament because of some scripture in the old testament of the Bible.
Another fact: "Honest" Abe Lincoln worked as a "bear wrestler" before he became president. There are posters with his 6 foot 3 inch 150 pound frame looking ABSOLUTELY FIERCE!!!
He also once made the remark: "People have called me 'two-faced'. If I WAS 'two faced', can anyone explain why I'm wearing THIS ONE????"
HENCE: the name "Honest Abe". | |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 9:39:00 AM | Forgot to say: Hot air makes the world go round...
Every day, every second, someone is putting a spin on some fact or "fact" that will live fovever and we'll never be able to find out the truth.
Be skeptical.
Mythology runs our world... makes people believe lies... | |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 7:53:15 PM | | I completely aggree with Elwood for pointing out how many of the things we define as mental illnesses are actually cultural contructions. However, i do things that there are people who fall well outside the range of percetion and behaviour than any society tolerates. My concern is that it is ussually those who don't have access to resources who are more likely to be labelled as mad or personality disordered, while the real dangerous characters are the ones who fall well outside noral morality, perception and behaviour but are fortunate enough to control not only large corporations but also (to a very real extent) mass perceptions of reality. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 11:50:58 PM | | why is bush mentally ill ? How can anyone blame all the things in the world on bush and say the corporations are the fault of all our problems, they say things like the ecomony is bad and money is devalued yet when I look around they are buying plenty of starbucks coffee for 5 dollars a cup, mini malls and large shopping malls are being built all over america, and then for the drug addict's it seems they are still getting all the weed and cocaine they need and the money is endless for them. When I see all you BS idiot people in a food line waiting for soup and living in a box on the side of the freeway stop pushing all your lies about the economy going bad and it being bush's fault. Also if you lost your job dont blame it on bush or even clinton you should look within your own house and see where your products are from, mabey japan, china, mylasia, mexico, tiawann, or somewhere else but your own country. Buy american and you might still have a job, or go live in china and work in a sweat shop and really see how bad it can be. | |
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Posted: 1/10/2005 6:23:23 AM | You might be suprised to hear 'Honesty rules' that not everyone in the world lives in the US or is preoccupied with the success or failure of the US economy. Decisions made by corporation contollers and in the pocket polticians have consequences for people around the world. What people experiece as a result of the greed of a few, and the ignorance and silent complicity of too many is appalling but also preventable. I find it very disheartening when all some people can think about is wealth in a limited area of the world, while there are hunders off millions of people starving.
As for buying 'American' products - surely you meant US products? Regardless, you will find that a great many products made 'by' US companies are actually made by impoverished foreign children who are effectively slaves, in sweatshops in the US or abroad. If you are happy for 'your' success to be built on the enslavement and forced underdevelopment of others, that is fine but don't expect many people around the world to respect that sort of simple minded, exploitative greed | |
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Posted: 1/10/2005 7:07:58 AM | I've been away for a few days and see that this thread has a lot of different topics rolled into it!
It might be time to start a few new threads, hmmmm?
Maybe one about the shrub and co's proposed changes to Social Security?
or the down-grading of envronmental legislation?
or??? | |
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Posted: 1/11/2005 6:32:09 PM | dmt says:
As for buying 'American' products - surely you meant US products?
This is a very good point you brought up here, and not just because U.S. products are now being made everywhere but the U.S.
I think using the word, "America" instead of "U.S." and "American" instead of "U.S. citizen", is to do a disservice to both the U.S. and to North, Central and South America. The U.S. is not the sum total of America. America is almost the totality of the western hemisphere. The correct name of our country is "United States", not "America." In fact, America is NOT a country.
I believe it would be a good idea for people to start calling this country what it is called. I also think it's time that its citizens cease being called "Americans." If we call U.S. citizens "Americans", we're not specifying WHERE they are from. They could be Peruvians, Canadians, Paraguayans, Cubans.. they could be from anywhere in the western hem. By calling ourselves, "U.S. citizens" we'd be correctly and appropriately associating ourselves with our country and its name.
I think part of the reason we don't use the term, "U.S. citizens" is because it has 5 syllables, and takes longer to say than "American", which has 4. In that case, I think we should start calling ourselves, "U.S.ers."
(Personally, I think our forefathers didn't use their brain much when coming up with a name for our country. They could've given it a nice name.. like Michelle, or GrainLand, or some other proper name. Instead, they came up with "united states." Whoopee! How EXCITING!  )
What do y'all think?
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Posted: 1/11/2005 6:51:11 PM | | I blame Mr. and Mrs Vespucci, they're the ones that didn't name their son, Michelle. | |
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Posted: 1/11/2005 6:55:22 PM | lateforsupper says:
I blame Mr. and Mrs Vespucci, they're the ones that didn't name their son, Michelle.
Nono, I didn't say the CONTINENTS were wrongly named. America is a fine name for this massive span of land that encompasses everything from Canada to Patagonia and beyond. I said that this country was wrongly named in being named, "United States." United States is not exactly a pretty name, is it?
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Posted: 1/11/2005 7:15:08 PM | Vespuccins ??????
Well, we used to call citizens of the USSR, Soviets, ....... Soviet means "Council", ......that doesn't make much sense either......
How 'bout Mid-Morth Americans, or Midmoams for short. | |
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Posted: 1/11/2005 8:30:19 PM | YIKES!!!!!!!
Mid-North-Americans would be Minoams, ........mmmmmmmmmnnnnnn.
That's better | |
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Posted: 1/11/2005 11:09:26 PM | | why don't we just call ourselves people and stop with all these bullsh*t problems? | |
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