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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 7:56:42 AM | shadow: extreme neoconservatism is an ideological and political disorder that's turned the US from the leader of the free world into an international agressor, virtually destroyed the UN, NATO and the Strategic Nuclear Arms Limitation agreement treaty, destroyed our commitment to clean air by not signing the Kyoto agreement, run up over a trillion dollars of deficit spending over the last 4 years while giving a tax cut that actually SLOWED DOWN the economy and we're currently pissing off even our closest allies like Canada...
Tell me about mental disorders? (Have YOU seen your friendly neighborhood psychologist lately?) | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 8:22:23 AM | The world knows George Bush is stupid, no doubt about that. The public gaffs are humiliating, and this is coming from a guy that enjoys laughing at the man. Lets face it, the stupid gene runs in the Bush family. Seriously, I get a great chuckle watching the leader of the free world, stumbling over words, mispronouncing others and generally making a fool of himself. But even I am finding it uncomfortable, even painful watching this.
In terms of Georgies mental health, lets just say if his comments regarding the Iraq are any indication, he certainly doesn't have a firm grip on reality. | |
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ousu
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Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 28 | |
| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 9:07:50 AM | Varus made me consider better this issue...
Maybe we should define stupidity in different way. - I was calling last week a Chinese girl stupid since she has not been able to do some simple programming BUT the girl manages every time to make some of the guys to do it for her. Maybe she is after all briliant.
Thinking about Stalin, Hitler, Nero (who had even Seneca among his teachers)... they cannot have been so stupid, they managed to make people to believe in them. There are different forms of intelligence. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 9:13:30 AM | | No George Bush is not stupid. He does get people to do a lot of things, after all. | |
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ousu
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Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 30 | |
| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 9:18:34 AM | | And mentally ill is also a bit difficult to define... Power changes people. And if you do not have anything to fear it makes one arrogant. Long enough in power and you believe you are omnipotent. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 9:20:55 AM | naw bush isnt mentally ill-just stupid..i mean in order to be crazy-he first has to have a mind to lose..as for those of us above the mason-dixon line-hey you bubbas helped him win-nice going.. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 9:24:09 AM | | It must be awfully hard to have to lead the free world like that. I wouldn't want that job for the world. I'd have to be crazy to want that... | |
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ousu
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Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 34 | |
| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 9:29:02 AM | | Hmmmm, tell me what is free world, PoeticPrince ;) It is free in a way "you are either on my site or against me". Two options, no three??? | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 9:43:30 AM | Well, ousu, the free world that would be the West, as we commonly call it. It would be the U.S. and its allies. Democracies.
All other regimes are deemed repressive and reprehensible too. So they are always a threat, and need to be kept in line. So George Bush has a big and difficult job there.
All those other systems have their ideas, which some call agendas, see, and, well, they're sort of not allowed to think the way they do. So every once in awhile they have to be brought into line.
I don't understand a whole lot about politics, but Mr. Bush has a big job on his hands. And the stress of that would be enough to drive most people crazy, but Mr. Bush is one very strong man. It doesn't seem to bother him much, all that stress. Personally, if I had just sent an army somewhere and 100,000 civilians had been blown to bits, and if the world said I was not even there legally, I would have nightmares.
So, I guess the difference between everyday people and Presidents is something else, and especially since Mr. Bush is a Christian, and his Bible says to not kill. I'm sure you can see how all of that could prey on his mind...
Thank God the man is so strong...with a lot of equally strong people around him, with the same kind of resolve. And they pray a lot, from what I understand, so they have to be doing what is right.
Anyway, because they are defending the free world pretty soon we should all be free... | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 9:43:42 AM | There is a popular idea here in Europe that he is really just stupid, but as has been suggested by Ousu and someone else this might not be quite the case.
There was a bit from the site of the psychiatrist I presented on the first page that refers to ideas about him being stupid. He it is:
The author of Boxed In: The Culture of TV believes "Bush is not an imbecile. He's not a puppet. I think that Bush is a sociopathic personality. I think he's incapable of empathy. He has an inordinate sense of his own entitlement, and he's a very skilled manipulator. And in all the snickering about his alleged idiocy, this is what a lot of people miss."
Miller's judgment - that an unelected president might suffer from a clinical personality disorder - is much heavier than being called the global village idiot. "He has no trouble speaking off the cuff when he's speaking punitively, when he's talking about violence, when he's talking about revenge. When he struts and thumps his chest, his syntax and grammar are fine," Miller mentions. "It's only when he leaps into the wild blue yonder of compassion, or idealism, or altruism, that he makes these hilarious mistakes."
Bush even has trouble repeating comforting clichés. "Fool me once, shame ... shame on ... you," Long, uncomfortable pause. "Fool me - can't get fooled again!"
While the world was laughing, Miller saw something darker. "What's revealing about this is that Bush could not say, `Shame on me' to save his life. That's a completely alien idea to him. This is a guy who is absolutely proud of his own inflexibility and rectitude," wrote Miller.
Miller says that Bush saying, "I know how hard it is to put food on your family" is not 'cause he's stupid, but "because he doesn't care about people who can't put food on the table."
When Bush is envisioning "a foreign-handed foreign policy," Miller contends it's because he can't keep his focus on things that mean nothing to him. "When he tries to talk about what this country stands for, or about democracy, he can't do it," Miller observes.
According to Miller, this is why GW is so closely watched by his handlers. "Not because he'll say something stupid," the Star paraphrased, "but because he'll overindulge in the language of violence and punishment at which he excels."
"He's a very angry guy, a hostile guy," Miller says. "He's much like Nixon. So they're very, very careful to choreograph every move he makes. They don't want him anywhere near protestors, because he would lose his temper." Adds this media expert, "It would be a grave mistake to just play him for laughs." | |
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ousu
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Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 37 | |
| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 9:55:00 AM | | Ah, thanks, PP, now I understand! Now on we can call him Strong White Man with the Vocation! (Though I am not sure whether all we others want to have the same system as his country has. BTW, did you notice how alarming the news about Dollar are?) | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 9:59:59 AM | If you rapid liberal anti Bush haters weren't so comical I might be upset there are so many of you brainwashed socialists in this land of the free.
*"socialist" is just an insult you hurl at people who think differently. You're the one who's brainwashed into thinking the rest of the world has to have some sickness to disagree with you... and they do!!!
The media, with the aid of Bushes poor public speaking, have espoused the myth he's an idiot for years. You show me a person that's flow jet fighters,
*he got into the flight program with a 20% grade on the exam
graduated from Yale,
*That's a joke...Didn't even believe there was such a thing as "global warming" when he came to office and finally appointed his own panel who had to tell him "yes, there is".
I can't believe he passed the fifth grade without someone's palm being greased. The only thing HE ever learned was who has the big money in this country and if he sucked up to them and did everything he wanted, he'd have more campaign funds that whoever ran against him...
was a member of the national guard,
*and blew it off... in wartime.. should have been prosecuted as a deserter...
and became owner of the texas rangers
*running the franchise into the ground until he used political pressure to get the local government to build a new stadium then sold it for a profit as quickly as he could..
You call us "socialists". What is using public funding to build a ballpark about?
if you're really about "free enterprise", shouldn't he have built that himself????
How about HIM being called a socialist then, Bozo?
and you define this as idiocy and failure?
*What do you call it?*LOL*
Since Bush became president exactly how many senate and house seats have the democrats gained? Bush represents a resurgence of good old american family values.
*yeah, right.... back to the great depression when the economy was going down the drain and Viet Nam when we were stuck in another foreign war we couldn't get out of...
These aren't the pseudo hollywood ideals that condone sleeping with as many partners as often as possible. So continue to attack his public speaking skills, his religious devotion,
*Would Jesus have give a two-thirds trillion dollar tax break to the rich and claim it was to "help the economy"?
I think not... and it didn't... it's just more national debt which we'll all have to pay back with interest.
Would Jesus have LIED about WMD's and rushed to attack Iraq?
I don't think so.
and his staunch stand on national defense but you're going to continue to lose elections. What we're watching is a revolution, the division between the blue and red states, socialist vs capitalist, republic vs communist.
*Stupid vs. Smart because brainwashed neocons like you continue to vote in a way that doesn't make sense.
The democrats ideology is crumbling around them so they direct their rage and hatred at the leader of the red states which happens to be Bush at the moment. Bush isn't special in that the blue states decline is bigger than him, it's an ideological war which they are losing badly.
*but we won't stop fighting because we know you're wrong.... | |
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ousu
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Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 39 | |
| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 10:05:01 AM | True, Dtm, pretty many in Europe sees him like that...
But I have a serious question to Americans - not being evil now!
I watched the speeches of Bush. His style is very much similar with Hitler and some other authority kind of speakers. One thing I know from normal business is that American (just an example) way to express the things differs quite a lot from some European cultures (in fact it is nearer Southern European style).
One of our president candidates tried a bit similar style but for the most of the people it was irritating (=not familiar).
In my eyes and ears Bush's way sounds really brutal and not-diplomatic. But could here be a tiny chance that this is a cultural difference? Does he differ that much from other American speechers? | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 10:08:21 AM | Yes, Ousu, I think it might only be fitting to call Mr. Bush Strong White Man with a Vocation.
Like you, I am not sure if all the others would want to have a system like his, but then I don't make life-altering decisions like he does, either...
Yes the U.S. dollar does seem to be taking a bit of a shellacking. And it's probably not at a good time for the leader of the free world, either, because of the hundreds of billions already spent in Iraq, and the possibility of spending hundreds more there, as well as in some of those other countries, which are now being threatened...
Personally, I don't quite understand how there can be 135,000 U.S. troops in iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11 or Osama Bin Laden, while there are only 15,000 troops in Afghanistan, where Bin Laden is hiding. But, like I say, I know little about politics and stuff, so I will leave that to the experts... | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 10:12:50 AM | You're last statement says it all you won't stop fighting because you know i'm wrong. Is it possible that you're the misguided one?
*If you could prove it to me, I might believe it; but the facts you present fall far short of that.
I mean in this information age provided with all the data we have access to is it possible democrats are experiencing a severe state of denial?
You chastise me for believing what I believe yet you would praise me if I were to hold your same warped view of god and government. Very tolerant of you.
*Argument illuminates us. I'm not intolerant. I know that nationalism and jingoism will always have their place in society... it's just that I don't fall for it that easy.
*"the truth is illuminated through it's collision with error."-Benjamin Disraeli | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 10:19:33 AM | | For some reason I can believe it. LOL! Bush is mental.... Hey Bush probably got the grades in school dude...that's not even accurate Varus..Heck My teachers gave me the grades when I was trying learn the class...Money can buy anything.... | |
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ousu
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Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 43 | |
| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 10:22:48 AM | PP, I agree... In fact I pity him (though it is said To pity is a sickness); after all he is some mother's son.
I do not think one needs to be too worried about economics since Bush has good image builders and voodoo-economists around him. And might even be that other countries and their central banks will continue supporting the US economy due to gratitude now when the stupid investors are turning their back to the US.
That many soldiers in Iraq! Must be a huge celebration of Liberation of Iraq! - I have not followed the news... Did the US keep its word to Afghanistan and paid all it promised for reconstruction... it was a long time ago they told that not. | |
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ousu
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Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 44 | |
| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 10:29:47 AM | | Though I am no agreeing with Varus, I am raising my hat for that freedom statement! Good move! | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 10:32:21 AM | Ousu,
I really don't know much about what is going on in Afghanistan, other than there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of U.S. soldiers there. I'm not sure how that works.
Yes, George Bush is a mother's son. Barbara Bush is his mother. Her husband is George Bush, Sr. He was President also, after having been head of the CIA, which I understand is a spy agency or something. Mr. Bush Sr. fought in Iraq in 1991. It seemed to be a much quicker war, and they weren't bogged down like they are now. I'm sure about strategy.
Apparently, the amount of soldiers they have in Iraq is far from enough, because things have been getting harder to control than they were from the start of the war. At first, it seemed like the U.S. could not be stopped. Now the soldiers are being attacked all over. It's not a nice place to be.
I am quite sure Mr. Bush has a lot of people supporting him. It takes a lot of money to fight wars like those. And when people make even more threats, they must know something we don't, like who will be sponsoring the next battles, if and when they come.
I know the U.S. is having a lot of problems with public opinion in a lot of places, but maybe the people of the world just don't understand how hard it is to be the leader of the free world...
Even American soldiers, mostly very young, are losing their lives in large numbers and a whole lot are being wounded in a big way, but they don't seem to be saying much about that, the soldiers I mean, though maybe they'd be punished if they did say something.
Anyway, as you can see war is raging, and we'll have to wait and see, I guess, on how the world is freed with bombs and guns... | |
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ousu
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Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 46 | |
| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 10:47:09 AM | PP, my friend who came from Afghanistan some weeks ago said it is ok in the cities but outside the cities it is not that nice to be a woman. Or a man. Or whatever :)
I am sorry for Mrs. Barbara some people are laughing at his son!
But it is nice to know Mr. Bush Senior has a proper education behind him! Our neighbour, Mr. Putin was working in similar kind of organisation before he became a president. But he does not have a mum or dad :( One woman claimed to be his mum but Mr. Putin denies it.
I know CIA. They contacted a relative of my dear friend once. They are nice people, they were offering him a post as a leader in his country but he was busy with other things and said no. And anyway there was already a leader in that country so I do not think that was very polite!
If they do not have it that nice in Iraq, they should go home :) I am very sorry for those young soldiers there. But the army is not obligatory in the US, I think. I know army system, your task is to obey :( | |
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ousu
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Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 47 | |
| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 10:48:39 AM | | PP, and OF COURSE some things are fiction since I want to still travel :p Not like my ex-h.... who was interrogated in every single country he stopped on his way to meet FC :p But he was a communist, so we do not count him!!! | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 10:54:12 AM | Ousu,
Mr. Gorbachev was the head of the KGB and he won the Nobel Peace Prize, so some things are hard to people to understand sometimes. The CIA and the KGB contacted a lot of people all over the place, as I understand it. I guess it was their job, though...
If the CIA offered someone the post of a leader of his country, that does seem odd to me, especially if there was already a leader there...
The soldiers in Iraq can't just go home. Even if they wanted to, because I think you can get shot for leaving your post. I'm pretty sure of that. And that would not look so good for the U.S. if their soldiers ran away.
For myself, though, I would think it would only be fair if the children of the President and his friends had to go fight in Iraq too. I'm sure how come none of them have to go, but I guess it has something to do with being the children of the leaders of the free world... | |
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ousu
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Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 49 | |
| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 11:03:16 AM | Dear PP,
I forgot Mr Corbatchov!!! (People during his period were making alcohol at their homes and put a glove on the container. When the five fingers of the glove were up, they said "Hi, Corbatchov!")
Some people have tried to say that Nobel prize is also political prize but i do not believe it! They were telling the same when after WW2 a Finnish woman called Armi became Miss World.
You told Mr Bush is Mr Bush's son... So it might be he cannot send his children to fight... The succession to the crown needs to be protected. This is why our other neighbours never fly in the same aeroplane. | |
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ousu
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Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 50 | |
| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/29/2004 11:06:16 AM | PP, no one wants to play with us :((( I think I need to start work finally! CU tomorrow :p
I will finish my studies about the Dollar, Democracy and try to understand what is freedom. | |
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