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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/30/2004 1:39:44 PM | Varus: okay... tell me how much liberal bias Bush's own treasury secretary had...or the secretary of the army (White) or the highest ranking general (Shinseki)...
The only excuse you have for calling these news sources (PBS and CNN) "liberal" is because they're "not fox"; which in your world: about as "commie" as one can get *LOL*
Don't ever expect anyone to take your posts as anything more than a joke. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 1:54:12 PM |
watch out. the democrats are coming. and we are pissed.
Damn Straight Dammit! LOL!
I'm just so sick of "liberal" being used as a dirty word... I lose my cool
everytime I hear/read it. Its such a bunch of crap... like being openminded
is a bad thing.
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/30/2004 3:57:58 PM | Sitting here in the US, where we only have 5 terrestrial TV channels but we have a news media that is incisive and is not afraid to ask politicians difficult questions, I find it hilarious when people right-wingers who have no idea just how right wing they are say things like this:
LOL I should have said cite sources other than liberaly biased news centers. I mean come on you're quoting pbs and cnn as if they were fair and balanced.
The painfully obvious fact for those of us who have tv stations with no advertising and that are not completely controlled by huge corporations ( with programmed punctuated every 6 minutes by endless nauseating adverts that play on the insecurities of the conditioned neurotics created by late capitalism) is that US TV tells you pretty much nothing. It's gloss, superficail, there are no in-depth interviews with politicans, the presenters are like smarmy weathermen who have all the journalistc integrity of perporming seals. Until 9/11 there was never any mention of anywhere else in the world, to the effect that most Americans couldn't stick a pin in a map and find anything within a 10000 mile radius of Afghanistan or Iraq - much less understand the difference between the two cultures.
So, I think that in many ways the gentleman who posted something on the previous page saying that it is "us who are mad" has a very good point, (despite his obvious hurry induced-typos).
Bush is not quite a fool (he may have some brain damage caused my cocaine and alcohol addiction but he manages ok so far)... however... how can the people of a country that has such incredible natural resources, and cultural richness, who allow their lives to be controlled by a tiny minority of fortunate, over-indulged, lazy, greedy, ignorant, meglamaniac, personality disordered vultures....who will happily create war after war and imagined enemy after imagined enemy to distract the public away from the evil at the heart of the exploitative economic system that they control, be regarded by the people of the world as sane, rational or well-informed? It just doesn't make any sense.
The only excuse I can find for what is happening in the US is that the last two elections were rigged. I know there are some stupid people everywhere - but for the love of god I just can't believe that over 50 percent of US voters are mad.
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Joined: 12/3/2004
Msg: 105 | |
| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/30/2004 4:01:03 PM | | The begining of my last post was a Freudian slip - I'm in central london surrounded by McDonalds, KFC, Pizza Hut, Burger King, Gap etc but I'm not in the US, I'm in the UK (phew)....there's no place like home....there's no place like home....there's no place like....d*mn I can still see Mcdonalds wrapped strewn on my pavement (sidewalk) | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 4:12:08 PM | Yeah... I found that all too funny. First time I've ever
heard PBS being accused of Liberal Bias. They must
have dared to question the powers that be. Damn
Commie Pinko Liberal TV.... HAHAHA! Amazing. | |
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Msg: 107 | |
| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/30/2004 4:14:48 PM | | yes...."we now take a break from our incitement of armed revolution and the murder of the capitalist scum, for some adverts for coca cola, budwieser and Britney spears' new album" | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 5:06:21 PM | | Hey, let's stick to the topic of this thread, Is Bush Mentally Ill. If you want to start a new thread and talk about your daugher etc, have some comon decency and start a new thread. Anyway, you're from Finland so who gives a sh*t about what someone from your third world country thinks anyway? What does Finland contribute to this world anyhow? NOTHING | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 5:17:08 PM | Hey Shan: I was born in Grand Rapids... Mom went to South High School with Gerald Ford...
I never inherited her republican ways though... She believed Joseph Mc Carthy... even after he got shot down...
That's how I learned to deny I was a socialist *LOL* | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 5:24:07 PM | You're so right that Senator Byrd, a Democrat, was a member of the KKK, having joined back in 1942 (when I wasn't even a notion in my parents' brains yet).
In fact, Ala. Gov. George Wallace (also a Democrat), backed the KKK in 1963 to get votes (something he apologized for in 1996).
Today, we don't have to go any further than Zell Miller, who confusedly proclaims himself a Democrat, yet served as speaker at the Bush Republican Convention this year, and is a man who supports all of the expected Republican beliefs: from the concept that white people have a right to continue to keep their white affirmative action intact as always, to the idea that government is bad if its taxes are used to give back to the middle class and poor, but govt. is good when it gives to the very very very rich.
There's nothing new about right wingers sometimes calling themselves "Democrat." It's been done before, and probably will be done again. However, it is quite unusual. As a result, when someone is labeling themselves "Democrat", yet being sexist, racist, corporatist, oligarchist and all the other unpleasant, little "ists", that's when their face hits the front page of your local newspaper. I have a caption perfect for that: "PERSON WITH EXTREMELY SICK IDEALS CALLING HIMSELF A DEMOCRAT." (Bolded and underscored, if possible!)
I would like to point out that the right wingers erroneously labeling themselves Democrat (such as Zell Miller), are all male. I've yet to find a female that is so mentally confused as to do that. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Posted: 12/30/2004 5:58:26 PM | Welcome Aboard Sarah!!!
Good post...
Yeah... I have to laugh to myself when I hear people say the US media is "liberally biased"...
if they but KNEW the history of this country... like in 1925, when 1 of every 8 white adult males was a klan member and Woodrow Wilson wrote the introduction to D. W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" which was a pro-klan film.
I rememer even when I was in the fifth grade that a boy in the sixth grade was kept after school for saying he didn't believe Washington threw a silver dollar across the river...
In the US media, there's only "right" and "far right" and "White house news service" (Fox) which has Bush's cousin for it's news program director... | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 6:15:16 PM | | Actually Finland contributes tourist dollars to our country.. They also pay taxes, for food lodging here for other things they buy while here.. I don't know who you were talking about when you blasted someone from another country but everyone is welcome to comment here. Unless they start condemning others..Everyone has their opinion.. | |
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Msg: 113 | |
| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/30/2004 6:38:42 PM | The average Fin enjoyes a much higher standard of living than the Average American.
As for the 'third world' it is understood by economists, anthropolists and political scientists that the comparative poverty of the 'developing' world is the direct result of the history of slavery and colonialism....which has now transmuted into new forms of exploitation in our era of globalisation, neocolonialism and cybercolonialism.
It is very annoying to see posts appear that would be regarded under European law as incitement to racial hatred. I'm in the process of checking this out with experts on international law. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 6:42:00 PM | Couple things Id like to touch on.
From what I read all over the forums seems to be if you dont agree with me your not worthy to live in my world.
I for one dont care if you agree with me or not, but dont insult me or bash me because my views are not as yours. That does make you a socialist, look up the meaning.
Right now Bush is our president and we can debate the voting over and over doesnt change the fact. If Kerry was our president the tables would be turned and people calling him stupid. Funny it wouldnt be the ones calling bush stupid, because they would have gotten what they wanted, Kerry in office.
You can find flaws, corruption, idiotcy in any politician whether its in the US, UK, Finland, and the list can go on.
Politics will never be perfect and will never make everyone happy.
Is Bush mentally ill? Some say yes because he doesnt do things there way or they cant get what they want. Some say no because he is doing what they want.
For me I see him as someone who is not good at publicly speaking but is a hands on person.
He is a man of action not of words. No wonder why he doesnt run to the camaras. Heck I hate public speaking and have fumbled over my words doesnt make me a idiot.
I have read a few posts who keep refering to military (US or any other) as if they are mindless drones. I can speak for the US those days are long gone. Sure your saying right now, thats what they want you to believe, thats what they trained you to believe. I tell you what you join and get back with me, then you have a leg to stand on. Armys task is not to obey maybe its still that way in other countries but long gone in the US. You would be surprised how many soldiers WANT to be there and believe in what they are doing.
Are you even aware that even in the Marines they can not raise a hand to you any more? Are you even aware after you sign up for 4yrs you can get out because you dont like it?
Dont underestimate Bush or any president to follow on thier way of thinking because its not what you think. No one here sees what he sees, hears what he hears, we dont have that burden or privilage. Curroption is every where including that employer you work at, the US government is just a bigger target.
And for those who make fun of the ones below the Dix line theres just as many of us up here north of it who agree with some of those views and vise versa, so dont go lumping everyone like that.
Open discussion and debating is good but dont go bashing someone because they dont agree.
Ok now for the flaming let have it................ | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 7:01:57 PM | | And to think I had to beat the crap out of my company commander to get booted from the navy, I should have waited 20 years to join...d*mn...they would have just let me out..Everyones got their opinion and Casper, you got good things to say..I did have a negative experience with some people with Finland once I was a night motel manager and inexperienced at making international phone calls I was trying to make a call for this guy, who happened to be some type of royality I couldn't do it right and this dude just went off on me telling me off that I was apiece of sh*t etc.. Will I'm the kind of guy won't take no sh*t..don't care if your the pope, I want you out of my motel your going so I evicted this guy, he refused to leave so I called the police and this guy called the white house...lol I was told after I got fired this guy was some type of king..I don't mean disrespect toward Finland but this was one of my foundest memories telling this guy off and having him say "I am the king...." And I saying "I don't give a sh*t if your the pope your out of here!" No flaming for you Casper I may get it now.... | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 7:24:41 PM |  LOL threw out a King?!?!? Didnt he have a crown or something? Atleast a King ID card lol.
And yep you shoulda waited times have changed my old salty dog times have changed. BootCamp is a joke to no degrading words all they have left is to PT or IT you and even then medical can get you out of those. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 7:31:22 PM | agrees with casperlcaf.
i dont get why so many liberals come in here flooding the forums with anti bush threads about how dumb he is or how messed up their lives are because of him. look, he won the election, the majority voted for him thus the majority agrees with him. democrats lost so its over now. theres a job that needs to be done in iraq and so far its going ok in my opinion. and as for you dmt, your from england, so instead of bashing my president why dont you bash your own prime minister or your queen because they helped with the invasion of iraq.
after the battle of britain after the royal air force was about to collapes under the luftwaffe why does everyone feel its a bad thing the united stats didnt help much during the battle of britain? great britain was pissed at the united states for trying to stay out of the war. now we have somone equaly as evil as hitler in custody yet everyone seems to think bush is the bad guy and saddam is a good ole everyones favorite dictator.
maybe the reason why bush won the election is because they saw what the democrats couldnt.
if war never solved enything then how come war solved slavery, facisem, communisem and nazisem?
we where already at war so why does the liberals think that kerry whould fix everything? do they think kerry whould pull out of the war? just simply pack up and leave? | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/30/2004 7:52:53 PM | I find am shocked that some of the political dialogue that I am hearing has degenerated to the level of an elementary schoolyard argument.
As for the topic at hand I don't know how people can think that George Bush is mentally ill. There is nothing to indicate that he has any mental illness. I imagine that the pressure of being President would get to even the most mentally stable person. It is not a job that I would want.
I also find it disturbing that someone who is anger by the word being liberal used in a bad light yet in the same breath they label someone who is Republican as homophobic, racist and bigoted. Blindly labeling someone does nothing to decrease the odds of you being blindly labeled - it in fact makes matters worse.
As for the Republicans being war mongers as some people have accused them of doing there have been a number of wars started by Democrats. To say that only Republicans get the US involved in wars is a lie.
As for those people who suggest that Bush hasn’t done what the people the fact that George Bush was re-elected (and this time by a larger margin) suggests that is not true. People obviously support his policies and ideals. Bush popularity might also suggest that the Democrats have failed to come up with a policy and candidate that appeal to voters. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 8:09:27 PM | or, it may suggest that people who would chose to align themselves with the democratic ticket are much less political and that many of them abstain from voting.
If voting were mandatory, i am sure he would not be president. So, i would call support for him debatable rather than obvious, and i would also say the presence of evidence of mental disease or personality disorder (=competence as a leader) also to be a debatable opinion.
As far as the war monger statement, i think that comes from the propensity for military spending as apposed to more humanitarian causes, like health care and education.
My apologies for shocking you, there is alot of emotion behind such debates and they do tend to get out of hand at times. People have strong oppinions that are not always balanced by an equal amount of emotional intelligence, myself included.
there has been a strong drive by many as of late to keep the debates on a more peacefull note. Thank you for contributing to that cause. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 8:14:39 PM | "If voting were mandatory, i am sure he would not be president. So, i would call support for him debatable rather than obvious, and i would also say the presence of evidence of mental disease or personality disorder (=competence as a leader) also to be a debatable opinion."
so your saying democrats dont vote? if you didnt vote then enyone opposing bush or the election has no say because they didnt spend 20 mins of their time to vote. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 8:35:01 PM | Good point swiftcut.
i agree that those who did not vote have no say to be unhappy with results.
More specificly, what i am saying is this: Nearly half of voting age america does not vote.
that is typical in nearly every presidential election.
There are many reasons and they are all cliche'
"my one vote doesn't matter" well, when you add all those up, it does.
"there are no good candidates" maybe, but if one has to be elected, which one do you vote for?
"I don't know enough about the candidates" inform yourself please.
so on and so forth...
I used to be one of these people swiftcut, and so did the majority of people i knew. but then i changed my life and myself along with it. point is, nobody is born being political, they all have to develop an appreciation for the importance of it over time.
With increasing knowledge and organization, the world grows smaller so to speak, and political positions have become more powerfull. they have a much greater ability to affect both positive and negative changes in the entire planet, not just its people. one of the most powerfull of these positions is the president of the united states. this person can literally blow up the world or save it from the trends it is experiencing, namely destruction. it all depends on what motivates them and how they choose to act apon that motivation.
so, if you can agree that it is terribly important to have the right person be the most powerfull decisionmaker in the world, why does nearly half its nation not vote?
what i am saying about the democrats is that they are largely unorganized politicly, and many of them are lazy on election day. I will let you figure out why on your own.
Nevertheless, they make up the dominant portion of america's population, even if they are divided amongst several parties. it is really working against us.
i did vote by the way. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 8:43:48 PM | | Hell, let the liberals go on with their idiotic ranting,,wont change a thing. They cant see how looney it makes them look. All of their outrageous theories, fantasy movies, propaganda, anti-Bush websites, protest marches, and tons of money spent trying to get kerry elected, blew up in their faces. There is a REASON why Bush won the election (twice) and no, sorry, it wasn't because of voter fraud, "neocon Christians", corporate America, some evil right-wing conspiracy, or any other theory that the liberals might dream up,,He won because the majority of regular, everyday American citizens made their choice known and acted upon it. Funny how the liberals call Republicans homophobes and haters. Kerry and Edwards both felt it necessary to point out Cheney's daughter being a lesbian and that also blew up in their faces. What a cheap shot that was. So face it, your boy lost and all your ranting wont change that-but please dont stop because it will only ensure another Republican in office in '08. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 8:57:35 PM | | i was watching the debate where kerry said that and what he meant was obvious. It was no cheap shot, the only cheap shot was the efforts of people to make it into something it never was and i suspect that they knew full well what they were doing. Hope they think about the reality when they go to bed at night. what kerry was meaning by that was that homosexuality is not bounded by party lines. Plus, he only repeated what cheney had also recently said, and said for the same reason i might add. And i am not looney | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/30/2004 9:05:29 PM | I think the reason many people in western societies do not vote is that western society is basically secure and prosperous. Life as we know it is probably not going to end regardless of the person who is in office. That is how many people view politics and elections.
For example the reason that last Presidential election had such a high voter turn out is because many people thought the stake in the election was high. Some people thought that keeping Bush in office was in America's best interest and some people thought that removing Bush from office was in America's best interests. American citizens thought that something was at stake in this election and that is why they voted.
I live in Canada and I can tell you that I am very politically active. I think the party that I belong to is best for Canada. I also know that regardless of what leader is in power Paul Martin, Stephan Harper or Jack Layton my way of life is not going to get significantly different. I suspect that many people of legal voting age in many countries believe the same way.
Part of the problem for poor voter turn out in the US might be because there is a lack of diversity in your political structure. The last election saw three Presidential candidates George Bush, John Kerry and Ralph Nader. It seems that the US only has two big parties (Republican and Democrat). That isn't a lot of choice for voters especially since the vast majority of media coverage focused on Bush and Kerry.
The political system in Canada varies both in how a Prime Minister is selected and how many parties we had. In general in order for a person to become Prime Minister their leader must have a plurality of seats in the House of Commons. In our last election four parties ran candidates in all federal ridings. These parties were the Liberals (slightly left of centre), Conservatives (slightly right of centre), the New Democratic Party (further left wing) and the Greens (environmentally based). In addition in Quebec the Bloc Quebecois got a large number of seats. Parties which ran candidates (but won no seats) included the Christian Heritage Party, the Marxist Leninist Party, the Communist Party of Canada, the Progressive Party, the Marijuana Party and the Canada Party. Anyways my reason for pointing this out is not to imply that the Canadian political system is better but to point out that there is no reason why people can not form political parties which match their ideals. It happens in many countries.
As for democrats being in the majority and being lazy that goes to support my first point that perhaps they just don't believe who is President affects them that much.
In the west we believe in freedom of choice. That choice can be choosing not to vote. | |
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| Is Bush mentally ill?
Posted: 12/30/2004 9:25:07 PM | your right about freedom of choice and what that might mean.
i am not so sure about whether life does not change drasticly.. i think i depends on where you look. I know alot about environmental chemistry, and from that perspective, these are make it or break it times. understatement there..
i also know alot about disease and issues of health.
When i look at these topics, i look beyond the borders of america and what i see is frightening. I am verry concerned and i feel that it is all a part of my life, whether i know the people or walk the land overseas.
so with respect to issues such as these, i feel that my life is indeed changed significantly in brief moments and powerful strokes of anothers pen. It is so troubling to have political party that chooses to debate scientific fact when they neither care or are even educated in these areas. I really feel like they don't have the tools necessary to pick and choose what is really important in the long term, mostly because of the era they come from. I assure you that the future of politics is going to take a drastic turn when when the majority of people involved have an education from (at least) this century. | |
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