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Posted: 12/29/2004 3:05:19 PM | wow.
misquoted, ignored. What a bunch of hitting below the belt. I'm a little surprised (or not i guess) that nobody with a problem is responding to the actual things i have said.
Is there an imposter around here pretending to be me? | |
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Posted: 12/29/2004 3:11:54 PM | Varus.
"This is why suggesting more could be accomplished by actually doing something, like donating a bit of their own money angers them"
How can you say something like this about me? It is absolutely false. I give everything i have to others, including my time. I do alot of community service for the elderly, i fix their homes for free because i spent 7 years as a carpenter and cabinet maker so i have skills there.
Money is my lowest motivator.
You are free to criticise me as much as you want, but i would appreciate it if you refrained from making up lies about me.
I know that communication is incredibly difficult, but if you actually spent time to read my posts i think you would probably be ashamed. | |
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Posted: 12/29/2004 3:35:53 PM | varus: yes, it's namecalling to call a person a "commie" for having non republican ideas. Nobody but NOBODY is saying we should become socialist here. You haven't read ONE post that's said that. It's all YOUR judgement that what the person is saying "amounts" to "socialism".
You're trying to poison the well of ideas that people consider by labeling them as part of a vast conspiracy to change the form of government or to an unnatural state. It's not only unfair, but stupid; because your posts just get in the way of people who are trying to make sense.
Now suck it up and let your ideas succeed or fail on their own merits and not because of some "poison" you spread to make people afraid to disagree with you or consider ideas which weren't conservative or republican to begin with.
Igotoosu is one helluva lot more mature than you. At least he's not a shill for some higher politcal power; trying to point fingers at everyone like this is some witch hunt.
Why don't you grow up? | |
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Posted: 12/29/2004 3:54:48 PM | Igotoos. I've already had enough sex with enough women to last me three lifetimes and know women who would do the tube steak boogie with me right now. That's not where my rage comes from.My rage rage comes from watching my worthless,cowardly,blow whichever way the wind is going,opportunistic thieves government spend my money on policies which are geared to ensure the extinction of my society.These policies promoting selfishness and self absorption would include easy divorce, abortion,pro fag laws,anti family laws,anti motherhood laws,etc.And my generaj rage at seeing my provinces economy destroyed by the gigantic tax burden imposed to pay legions of public sector union paper pushing parasites.In Vancouver I,and all the public sector union parasites,walk past homeless people literally dying in the streets.All public sector union wage and benefit packages should be cut by half today and my taxes reduced accordingly.  | |
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Posted: 12/29/2004 4:05:06 PM | Its hard for me to comment on that dude. we have widely different views in some areas.
what we do agree on is the need for reform of social structure and government.
You can work in your area and i will work in mine. :) | |
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Posted: 12/29/2004 4:36:45 PM | Igotoo, you're not the only one varus has concocted twisted fantasies about. He spouts such crap and doesn't have the integrity to apologize when he goes too far with these personal attacks. About a week ago he told me I 'obviously don't seem to care' that al qeada attacked us on 9/11 and killed 3000 people. Nowhere in my posts have I ever even implied anything like that, and him writing that about me and posting it made me furious. Twice I wrote back that he needed to apologize to me for that, and he never did. He didn't even address it- just ran away like a child. This guy is the sole exception I will make to what I posted previously about toning things down, and I think I have good reason.
No matter how passionate you get about a debate, you don't say things like that, especially when you have no idea what you're talking about. It's immaturity and narrow-mindedness. Frankly, from his additional unfounded personal attacks on you, it looks like we'll see more of the same from him. As long as that's the case, this is the last posting I will make referring to him in any way. He's not worth the time. | |
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Posted: 12/29/2004 4:44:18 PM | yea, some things are hard to swallow.
It really bothers me when people put a post that refers to completely ficticious information.
but, i suppose that is a technique used by some people in here, verry similar to propaganda.
well, my hope is that most are wise enough to let facts speak louder than misrepresentation of others intentions, behavior and words.
Last night was a hard night in the forums for sure. | |
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Posted: 12/29/2004 7:40:12 PM | well
I hit a nerve here ..........good
I do not have all the answers
In my opinion ........the debates are good......a person can learn alot
I sure have
@fiction
thank-you for copying that over to here
cause it really puts into words how I feel.
@poetic
I am not the enemy my friend
If it seems to you my posts hold more validity then others
that is your own perception, because, I never actually said that in any of them
but ,if you get that feeling from 1500 miles away..........
maybe that is telling you something............
Let me create a metaphor..
It is like this folks ...............
we all have a tank of gas
many of these forums/debates are like being caught in a mud pit and you can't get out
so we step on the gas and burn off the whole tank...........make alot of noise and smoke
but, we have not moved two feet
think about
especially when this tank of gas was designed to take us 1000 miles............
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Posted: 12/29/2004 8:52:52 PM | | actually guitarman, poet was asking you to think for a minute. what he meant was that it seems you think your posts hold more validity than others, not that he did. | |
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Posted: 12/29/2004 10:51:44 PM | If you do not agree with my posts
that is ok ..........
enjoy your time on PoF
my messages are important to me because they are universal
in 50 yrs if you read what I wrote it would still be true......goodness does not go out of style
You guys are debating back and forth on points that will be worked out in time
Maybe go get involved........move a shovel full of dirt instead of just talking about it | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 8:23:53 PM | FictionWriter901
Excellent post!
paddler you should find out what positions Canada's mother land UK has before you bash America on theirs.
I have never heard the saying "The sun never sets on the American Empire", but it has been said on several occasions for the UK which Canada does still recognize as their birth and still hails the UK Queen.
Nothing wrong with the Uk or Canada but dont bash us when UK and France have the same.
To answer your question yes we would, and I know you or alot of others dont agree with me and thats ok. But I can name quite a few other wars we are in currently or have been in that has/had nothing to do with oil. Im sorry the media doesn't play on those wars but who wants to report on human atrocities happening in the world. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 8:52:35 PM | | Casperclaf : Paddler is a right through to the core America hater and makes me want to puke. I think he would have preferred to see Americas enemies, The communists, Nazi's and now Islamonazi's triumph.Guess what Paddler, they are Canada's enemies too but you don't want to hear that because it would screw with your anti-American hatred. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 8:59:31 PM | "The sun never sets on the American Empire", but it has been said on several occasions for the UK which Canada does still recognize as their birth and still hails the UK Queen"
Canada does not hold the Queen of England as head of state, except in ceremony.
"the sun never sets over England, in a sense, probably applied to the British Empire when they had gone so far abroad that at least one nation under their banner suggested the sun was stilll up... | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 9:05:49 PM | I had to share this, its just for you my paddler friend who (from reading other of ur posts) like to bash America.
What Im about to cut and paste is from a Canadian site who is against the Iraq war.
Here it is:
Canada's "Secret" Contribution to the War in Iraq
By Richard Sanders
The breaking story today is that a few Canadian troops are
fighting on the ground in Iraq. This, however, is only the tip of the
iceberg. The truth is that Canada stands as the third strongest contributor
to US forces in the Iraq war, after Britain and Australia.
Isn't it amazing how Canada can contribute so much to this war without even
being involved?
Earlier this week (March 25), the US Ambassador to Canada, Paul Cellucci,
told the Economic Club in Toronto that he was "disappointed" that Canada
failed to join in the US-led war against Iraq. His was one of a huge chorus
of voices critiquing Canada for refusing to participate in the "Coalition
of the Willing." (This was not the first time a US Ambassador to Canada
meddled in our affairs. See the note at the end of this email about the
US-backed regime change in Canada 40 years ago.)
The most significant statement in Ambassador Cellucci's speech was his
observation that Canada is currently giving more military support to the US
for its war against Iraq than most of the nations that are officially
supporting the war!
He said: "Ironically, the Canadians indirectly provide more support for us
in Iraq than most of those 46 countries that are fully supporting us. It's
kind of an odd situation."
Yes, Paul, it is a kind of odd isn't it? Ironic indeed! Or is it? Perhaps
this is exactly what we should always expect from the Liberal
government. After all, the Liberals have always done as much as they
possibly can to promote war and profit from it, while simultaneously
working to create the appearance that they stand for peace.
Thanks to the mainstream media, the lie that Canada is NOT involved in this
war has spread like wildfire through Canada. It has also spread through the
US as well, at least as much as any information about Canada can permeate
into American consciousness.
This is yet another example of a successful media campaign conducted by the
Canadian government to perpetuate the underlying myth that Canada is a
world-class peacemaker. Chrétien kept Canadians on the edge of their seats
for months. Everyone was wondering whether the Liberals would support the
war or not? The litmus test used to determine the answer to this question
was rigged. It was made to look as if the question of Canada's support was
hinged on whether we'd send land troops and warplanes into this war. When
Canada didn't contribute in those two particular ways, it was broadcast
wide and far across the nation and the world that Canada didn't endorse the
war. Brilliant!!!
The fact, of course, is that Canada IS aiding and abetting this criminal
war, albeit not in the specific ways that the litmus test was designed to
detect. Canada IS very deeply complicit, and -- as confirmed by Paul
Cellucci this week Canada is MORE complicit most. Compared to most others
in the gang that have gathered around the US bully, Canada is acting above
and beyond the call of duty. The only condition of our participation is
that the US plays along with Canada's desire to keep our role very
hush-hush. While publicly, the Canadian government is pretending to have
taken the moral high ground by opposing this war, simultaneously -- behind
the scenes -- it is doing everything it possibly can to give as much
support as possible to aid and abet this illegal US war.
Canada's Support for the War
Canada is by far the leading member of that group of nations that secretly
support the "Coalition of the Willing" but who wish to remain nameless.
 Intresting reading isnt it? It even went into detail on how and what Canada contributes but is way to long to post. I have even met a few Canadains over there myself. I enjoy the bashing but no countries hands are clean, the US is just the bigger target for bashing because it has become a beloved favorite world past time these days. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2004 9:15:33 PM | | I was very pleased to read that canada was helping out in Iraq. Now I don't feel quite so bad about paying taxes.It also shows what a bunch of cowards the liberals are. the day before American troops crossed into Iraq, Brian Mulroney was being interviewed and the interviewer pointed out that Canadian public opinion was against Canadian Involvement. Mulroneys response , " Just because its popular doesn't mean its right." Right on Brian. | |
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Posted: 12/31/2004 1:25:55 AM | wow
I create a forum trying to point out the waste of time posting/debating is and you guys
use it to continue your debate ...............
that is fresh guys
awesome......................lol | |
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Posted: 12/31/2004 2:16:47 AM | ya no joke
I have decided to keep my idealistic stuff to myself more
It is like trying to preach in a crack house ........no point
but in this case the preacher is on the junk too | |
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