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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/17/2005 11:06:43 AM | - If your main intent / goal to commit suicide is to make that other person see that you were The One through your suicide -> IT'S NOT WORTH IT!
- The person will get devastated...but only for a short time. In time, you will be another memory, another fading one. And you're dead. You gave up your life for a mere split second that the person will reconsider to take you back. But what if they never wanted you back even if you committed suicide? What if your impending suicide never makes a difference anyway?
- The people around you that really love you ( family and good friends ) are the ones who will truly be hurt.
- If you do it, there is no way ever in knowing if there is someone else out there for you. YOu will rot in the ground, and there will be nothing else. If you think the soul is going to heaven or hell, you're in for a treat. What if the soul never goes anywhere? What if it just stays in the coffin? What if it just goes into a black hole and that's it? Would you really want to find that out now? AND FOR WHAT? For a broken heart!
- Time will heal the broken heart. Suicide won't do it. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/17/2005 6:49:21 PM | From what I've seen, the clinical depression shtick is mostly rubbish. Depression comes primarily from environmental influences. True, some people are weaker or stronger than others, but some very great minds have resorted to suicide. Many intelligent minds have failed to find other solutions, and have resorted to the only remaining thing that can resolve their problem(s). The human mind is complicated and there are a great many things that can destroy its fragile happiness.
Hope is the biggest killer. Some people give up on it, but sometimes there is no hope. To someone without hope, every day affirms the conviction that there is no hope. Every day is another day of pain that could have been avoided. ...but maybe tomorrow will be better. And what happens, when day after day tomorrow isn't better? "Long-term solution to a short-term problem." Sometimes it's not a short-term problem, and sometimes anti-depressants and therapy can't mask the symptoms of real-world problems.
It takes a tremendous amount of courage to face the uncertainties wrought by death. To broadly charge suicide as an act of cowardice is prejudiced. It is unfortunate that people must bear the burden of the loss of a loved one, but not every suicide is selfish. Parents and lovers have assumed an obligation to care and love their children and partners. Everyone else is a casualty of circumstance, but even those who have obligated themselves are often justified. The pain of losing a parent is arguably terrible, but the pain of a lifetime of depression is also horrible. The pain of depression can be very intense, and it IS painful. To deny somebody the opportunity to end this pain is also selfish. People who commit suicide DO think about these things. Some people kill themselves in a moment of foolishness. They get drunk and make a mistake. They are suicide victims. The ones who know what they're doing are NOT victims. Not one of us asked to be brought into this world, and to deny someone control of their fate is to deny the privileges most humans feel they have a right to.
For those of you who have felt the loss of a loved one to suicide, I think it's important to find some consolation in knowing that [most often,] YOU were not a factor in their decision. Most of these people loved their friends and families, and most of them deeply appreciated the love they felt in return. Regardless of the caring and support, there are things friends and family cannot do to. A family cannot replace a lost love. They cannot magically cure a terrible illness. They cannot make you attractive, or super-smart, or make your co-workers like you. Life sucks, and some people's lives suck a lot more than yours. Be thankful your life doesn't suck so much that you're ready to end it, but be understanding of people who really have good reasons to be unhappy, and understand that some people are just more affected and sensitive to real problems.
Here's the real doozie: Depression destroys lives. Imagine this: You don't want to get out of bed in the morning. You don't want to go to work, and when you're there it'll be almost impossible to be productive. You'll come home and feel uninspired to do anything other than watch commercials and go to bed. Your life, which already sucks, won't get any better or it'll become even worse. You'll constantly feel lousy, and why should you feel good - your life sucks, remember?
A person who is depressed can be a wonderful friend. Everybody will love them, and think what an excellent person they are. For someone who is depressed, that is no consolation. When they're gone, you'll miss them, and if they were able, they would probably miss you too. But they won't miss the unhappiness that you couldn't see in them. Be happy for them, and the bliss they have found.
Broken hearts will happen. So will pain, and so will suicide. There are victims on both sides of the grave. Don't blame them. Don't call them cowards. Don't call them selfish. Don't call them victims, unless you mean victims of life. They don't end their lives for no reason. There are exceptions to just about everything I've said, but I can sympathize, (or at least empathize,) with everyone.
Is it worth taking your life over a broken heart? I don't think anyone has taken their life exclusively because of a broken heart, but it is a major factor in a large percentage of suicides. This will sound callous and cruel, but some of the people left behind ARE [partly] responsible for the death of a suicide 'beneficiary.' I say that not because I want to rub salt in the wounds - that does no good at all - but because I beg of people, BE NICE TO ONE ANOTHER! For every suicide, there are THOUSANDS of people who are hurting who haven't chosen to end it all - at least, not yet. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 9:59:40 AM | when my mom was in highschool, she had a friend that had a bf...
well her friend broke up with her bf. And he called her, said he had a rope around his neck, and was standing on the railing of a balcony and had the other end of the rope tied to the railing... he said he would jump if she wouldn't take him back... she said no, and he did it, right there with her on the phone... | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 10:40:20 AM | | well having been on both sides so to speak , suicide is the hardest most selfish thing to do , my first love left me when i was 21 and pregnant with his child i thought of suicide but i would have lost so much like my other 3 kids and the joy of having them , ya life sometimes sucks but we survive and live to love again, i lost a brother to suicide and its the hardest thing to get over and to see the pain his kids go through even now, he missed out on his oldest son graduate from highschool and now he's going to school to be a doctor. you miss out on so much joy and pain but thats life. no suicide isnt the answer. no i have no regrets in my life im single now and i still believe in love and i survived to live another day,, keep smiling | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 10:49:30 AM | | No i do not think it is a selfish act at all...Having siad that i hear people say what about friends and family,,,Number 1 if a person had true friends and family..Then they would not do it...What i mean by friends is somebody that will be there for you instead of a bunch of back stabbers(What is in it for me attitude)..I am not a religous person,But a preacher told me years ago if you have 1 good friend in a life time you are a bless person...I believe that...Mojority of people are for theirselves(Like 95%)...Must be some truth to it..The divorce rate is 72% in FLORIDA...I think your spouse should be your best friend..But most cases that is not the case...Every time i did get close to a woman in my 20s it turned out to be a disaster...I treated them very very good just to get shitted on...Yes when i was 27 i attempted sucide...On a 2 week drinking benge-pills...When i got over that i became a hermit..I would never trust a woman again and i have 'nt.....It has been 13 years since that...To this day i have alot of problems because of the pain..But society tells me it was my fault....So i can understand why people kill theirselves..Some people are better off..For the sorry people that say you are weak..Do you realize how hard it is to kill somedody...Let alone yourself....When i hear somebody doing that i blame SOCIETY PERIOD!!!!I refuse to believe you are born that way or you get up one morning and decide to kill yourself...There is some people that when you have enough..Well the rest is history | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 11:22:15 AM | | in response to tarheelman post im sorry you got treated badly by woman but its no reason to cut yourself off from the world ive been hurt belive me but call me nieve but i still believe in love and all the good and bad that goes with it. im more cautious now then when i was younger. life is to be lived not to be hidden away, your denying the world of your knowlege as well as love so come into the real world and learn to love again , its not all that bad, is it? | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 12:50:15 PM | | ^^^ You don't seem to be understanding. MOST people do not choose to "cut themselves off from the world" it happens because they are suffering depression and don't want anyone to see it or to burden them. You seem so black and white, try seeing the gray area. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 2:05:42 PM | | ...I rather risk cutting myself from the world than take a risk that happened to me 13 years ago....To this day it has messed me up...No i do not see taking a bunch of happy pills everyday of my life is the answer either..as far as confidence what is that...I did have alot of confidence in my 20s....That was taken away from me and flush down the toilet years ago....As far a job and having something in life...Yes i do well for myself in that department...But as far as romance i have never had that in my life..I was always the giver..What few times i relied on a woman it turned out to be a disaster...You think they care they could careless...I can honestly say i treated them with respect and when well and beyond to make them happy...Just to get a knife in my back...But society tell me it is my fault...You might could say i lost interest in it all... | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 2:23:40 PM | | I would have to say that there was more to it than just a broken heart. For example, did the person loose his job which caused him to sell everything he owned and then the person who was suppose to love him for better or worse left. Did the person get all the world problems all at once where most get them one at a time? Not sure what the circumstances are but I would not think any less of that person, I would try and remember them as they were before they went into depression and committed suicide. Maybe the broken heart was just the finally straw. Just my opinion!!! | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 2:58:24 PM | A poem which has always stuck with me since highschool:
Richard Cory
Whenever Richard Cory went down town,
We people on the pavement looked at him:
He was a gentlemen from sole to crown,
Clean favored, and imperially slim.
And he was always quietly arrayed,
And he was always human when he talked;
But still he fluttered pulses when he said,
"Good-morning," and he glittered when he walked.
And he was rich ---- yes, richer than a king---
And admirably schooled in every grace:
In fine, we thought that he was everything
To make us wish that we were in his place.
So on we worked, and waited for the light,
And went without the meat, and cursed the bread;
And Richard Cory, one calm summer night,
Went home and put a bullet through his head.
---Edwin Arlington Robinson [1869 - 1935] | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 3:00:01 PM | Hi truelove68
I knew of a girl who committed suicide over a chap she was in love with. It happened in Portugal, she was a wonderful person. But I suppose it is difficult if someone has moved on and the other person is still in love. I think there are many views on the subject of suicide and we all have differing opinions, but personally... I am not so judgemental... if a person is in pain and feels totally alone then it is within their right to choose what ever way they want to go to ease that pain, many people deal with life situations by using drugs, alcohol and sex as a medium to temporarily ease the emptiness, others choose the more drastic route of suicide. It is however unfortunate that she could not find someone who could be with her or just talk her through the critical times, often it is when we are alone that darkness clouds our judgement and self esteem plays a part in peoples decision making..... However, we all know that a broken heart isn't really broken and the mental scars just like physical ones fade with time, and just like this site suggests 'there are plenty more fish'... But that doesn't negate the fact that loosing someone you love is the most painful thing next to loosing someone through death, that one will ever go through...physical and emotional attachments are very powerful motivators! | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 3:02:39 PM | | #1..The clinical depression shtick is mostly rubbish....wrong #2..To deny someone the oppurtunity to end this pain is also selfish....wrong #3..Depression comes primarily from envioromental influences...wrong..#4..antidepressants and therapy can't mask the symtoms of real life problems...TRUE..but they can help to cope with them...#5..Not one of us asked to be brought into this world and to deny someone control of thier fate is to deny the priviledges most humans feel they have a right to...wrong...I'm sorry but i think in most part Steelwaters your post was excellant and compassionate but with a subject as fragile as this, off the wall comments can get someone killed...I know of cases where people have thoroughly and concisely planned out thier death.. And once the necessary series of events needed to complete the act were in motion they quickly changed their minds and decided they wanted to live..If they had only used the strength they used in the end to continue on they still might be alive today..To come upon a scene where a young women or man had the strenght in their last moments to pull a rope from around their neck in hopes of saving their own life for it to only get lodge in their mouth and to now hang and to be left only to think and pray untill death finally takes it grip after possibly 15 minutes of thrashing and crying is not something anyone should see...When they come to us for help should we allow them to do this????They changed their minds and wanted a second chance..But it was to late..We have to give them that second chance..I personally know a person who shot themselves in the head and survived and now after 31 yrs has a wonderful daughter and son and a beautiful home and thriving business..This after continued medication and therapy to help him cope with real life problems..We don't want people all over the world killing themselves when depression sets in..We must not allow them to make decisions that will harm them or others..It's our duty to help those in need of help...Steelwaters says it best ...BE NICE TO ONE ANOTHER...at least think about it | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 3:13:07 PM | | I disagree about taking happy pills all your life is the answer...I do not think when a person goes through hurt earlier in life,As a result is emotionally disturbed..I do not call that depression...I do not think taking happy pills the rest of your life is the answer...That is so far from the truth...People only want to see the small picture on the wall,But there is a much bigger picture on that wall!!!!!!! | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 3:20:27 PM | I've been on both sides of this equation so I think I can provide some insight.
Four years ago my partner committed suicide, shortly afterwards, not being able to deal with it I made an attempt that ended in a 10 day coma.
From the side of those being left behind - its a horribly selfish act. It leaves those left behind with the guilt of not taking every precaution and of not 'noticing'. In my case my husband picked a fight and went down to his brother's place. I called his brother and left him a message asking him to take away all his medication because he was on another of his slides and had made several previous attempts. His brother ignored my request and found him the next afternoon - he died 20 mins after arriving at the hospital.
From my side, I was dealing with the guilt compounded by his family and some of his friends saying that I had killed him. I couldn't see a life without him. I understand his darkness and that feeling that ending it was the only option he could see to end his mental pain.
My friends basically took over my life after I was released from the hospital - someone was always with me. But after a number of months that support dwindled and I felt myself sliding towards that brink again. I had the means - saved prescriptions, but one of my friends demanded a promise from me. She asked that I give it three years - and if after that time I still felt the same then she wouldn't be angry if I decided to go ahead.
Three years was last Christmas. I had planned that I would do it that day, knowing that everyone would be busy with their own families and I wouldn't be disturbed. Then someone entered my life just about a month before my deadline. We didn't spend the entire day together but enough time that it got me through the day. That relationship ended last spring and once again I am looking at spending the holiday alone. However, even though those pills are still hidden, the desperate feeling has waned somewhat. My son plans to have me spend Christmas morning with his family "online' by video since they are 1400 miles away. My niece has extracted a promise of my attendance at dinner at their home. And once again there is a "someone' on the horizon that may blossom to the point where I'll have a family to spend the holiday with next year.
All I can say is that I understand both sides - but if you feel that way right now - make yourself a promise to wait until a deadline in the future. You may be surprised what twists your life will take before that deadline arrives. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 6:55:05 PM | It's a bad idea. I've already lost one friend due to this. I dunno whether to hate him, or feel sorry for him for it, I think I feel both.
Obviously, it sucks when the person you love ends the relationship, but as cliche as it sounds, time heals everything. Oh yeah, and a little senseless bedroom acrobatics with someone else has always helped me too  . | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 7:39:23 PM | The end of a relationship is like death. Nevertheless, one has the responsibility to build their lives around other things after it's over. I takes courage.
For the reason that relationships are LIKELY to end at some point, it's important for people; no matter how much in love they are with the other person; to invest in THEMSELVES and develop friendships and interests outside the relationship.
Many people don't realize that the prototypical romance/suicide story about Romeo and Juliet was a story of young lust and from the time they met to their mutual deaths was less than 24 hours.
We owe it to others who love us: our parents, our friends, our siblings, our children and even the lover who rejects us but maybe loved us at one time (if not ourselves) not to let our lives end in this tragic way and cause sadness. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 7:52:40 PM | Much like the A.D.D. craze where doctors were prescribing Ritalin left and right, clinical depression is also a blanket answer. Life is not always peaches and cream, and some people really get a bum deal. If you want to read a really interesting perspective on happiness, read Theodore Kaczynski's manifesto, namely the part about the "power process." He does a very good job of outlining why many people are unhappy these days. Believe it or not, he was very much a humanitarian. If you read more about the man, you'll begin to understand why he did the things he did. One big factor: He was lonely, and not from lack of friends and family, but romantically lonely. (Like many of us, he's reluctant to point out that he's a failure with women.) Constant dejection eventually got the best of him. He was a very bitter man, but if you read about him, you'll understand why. It's easy to empathize, even if you disagree with how he focused his frustration. (I'm not justifying his actions - only explaining his motives.)
This is a fragile subject, but I'm not going to paint it any color other than it is. It would be incompassionate not to recognize the full extent of the suffering of a severely depressed person. Sure, we could dope them up on drugs, or maybe give them a lobotomy. That would make them seem happy and as long as everyone else believes they're not suffering, (or at least, doesn't notice,) the problem is solved, right? No symptoms, no problem?
Practically speaking, what is the difference between drugs and a lobotomy, and why does society deem one to be unacceptable? Is it because we secretly acknowledge that the problem ISN'T in the mind?
Let me firmly state that suicide is not the answer to short-term problems. In fact, it doesn't FIX anything. If you're young, there will be plenty of chances for your life to improve. (Teenagers take notice.) After a divorce or having lost a job is not a good time to be considering suicide. Those are just bumps along the road of life. Granted, they are big bumps, but nothing new. If your drunk, don't even think about it; Your reasoning capacity is limited when you're tipsy. "Long-term solution to a short-term problem." In many cases, possibly or probably even most cases, that is true, but sometimes the problem isn't short-term. Sometimes the problem CAN'T be solved. Everything else I want to say in this regard will get this thread deleted. I'm not certain what the policy is around here on free speech.
"Richard Cory." A very poignant poem. It doesn't matter if your life is otherwise successful. If doesn't matter if you have great friends and family, a good job, a cool car and nice toys, or if you regularly get out and do fun things. People might even be envious of you, but if you're a colossal failure with the opposite sex, you're bound to be depressed. There's no avoiding that, no matter how grand your life is otherwise. Romantic love is programmed into our brains, and if you fail at it, it will ABSOLUTELY RUIN your life - to the point of suicide. It's sad, but our brains work that way. Hope keeps us alive. When hope is gone, we give up. It's sites like this that keep hope alive. It's no wonder the big pay-sites are raking in the dough from desperate people clinging to hope. I think it's a tragedy when sites like this sponsor false-hopes, but I think it's a real blessing when they actually deliver solutions to real problems. ...and a romantic partner IS a real solutions to a real problem. Loneliness is a real problem and it can kill you.
Making promises to wait until deadlines... My deadlines came and went, and their anniversaries pass every year without change. If I had made the promise, this thread would be a few posts shorter.
I always wondered why ‘Eleanor Rigby’ and Father McKenzie never got married. Sad, sad song. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 8:03:31 PM | Too all the people that think its a joke or its some how cool shove it.
Suicide isnt the answer...life can get really shi++Y at times and things can not only seem hopeless but be hopeless. as for doing it to hurt the ones you leave behind? who knows it they will even hurt. The people that love you..friends and family will hurt but the ones that seem to push you ove rthe edge wont so dont waste your life on them.
My motto is "dont let the ba$tards win" hurt them by surviving.
As for killing yourself becuse you love left you? you wont get them back either way. Accept that you had a love and now its gone. All that is left is the pain and emptyness inside your gut. It will pass. You will get over it even if you think you wont or think you dont want to.
You will find a new love. yeah it takes time. take some time to greive for the loss of the relationship and when you are ready open yourself up to finding someone new. Remember there are plenty of fish in the sea!  | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 9:10:52 PM | Anyone that would pull the plug doesn't value themselves, and anyone who would do it over someone else has some serious issue bout how they feel about themselves but also the world in general.
It's not a cop out it's just a sad state for someone to be in, but only they can fix it. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 11:16:42 PM |
..don't do it you'll regrete it someday.
Oh really? :)
...and what about the story of a old man whose parting words were, "I should have done this fifty years ago."
Many languages have multiple words for love, all meaning different things. The reason there are different words is because there is an important difference between different types of love. The love of family is different than the love of friends. The love of a lover is VERY different than the other types. It's a crucial difference. For the religious people out there, you may find it interesting that the second thing God did after breathing life into Adam was to create Eve, because he "saw that it was not good for man to be alone." He didn't waste much time in recognizing the importance of a lover. ...and if you believe that the Bible is rubbish, at least realize that the authors thought this was a pretty important point to make.
You hear stories of people who figuratively "died of loneliness," and stories about animals that literally died of loneliness. To somebody who has lost someone important to them, if they don't have hope of finding a "replacement," that would be pretty depressing. What's worse is that any new person will be perceived as a replacement - an imperfect substitute for the real thing. Suicide among the elderly is surprisingly common, and they don't bother doing the whole "cry for help" thing. Another major group that keeps the suicide numbers up are people with acquired disabilities, especially disfiguring ones. Plenty of fish in their sea? There's a perspective for you.
But over a broken heart? No.
The people that love you..friends and family will hurt but the ones that seem to push you ove rthe edge wont so dont waste your life on them.
Very good point. ...of course, it doesn't help if you feel you've ALREADY wasted your life on them, but it's unlikely that you'll be able to hurt them for it.
How do you value yourself? I don't value myself at all. It is the things in my life that I value; the things I partake in, my worldly possessions, and to a much greater extent, other people and my relationships with them. It feels good knowing they value me in the same way, but if you take that away, what do I have? Even life after death does not preclude the existential and nihilist nature of immediate life on Earth. Saving endangered species, or any other 'surrogate activity' isn't going to add meaning to my life.
Obviously though, it's completely pointless to be a martyr to make yourself happy. Spite towards another person is something else altogether. It's the ultimate insult towards the world. "You're not worth my time." Ouch. But who's listening? Again, if you're not around to appreciate the aftermath, what's the point? I think young people are strongly predisposed to end their lives foolishly based on spite or hoping to change or hurt someone. I suspect the wisdom of age makes older people much more rational about their decision, even if they are rash. This explains why their numbers are substantially lower than other demographics. You may still feel they are wrong, but they concoct much better reasons for believing they are right than younger people do.
And if life after death is your cup of tea, you might seriously want to consider letting God take you when he's good and ready. Most religions aren't very accommodating to people who operate on their own timelines. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/18/2005 11:54:41 PM | IMHO, SUICIDE, is the non-ability to see the light, an ignorance of the possibility that there could be a brighter tomorrow! It is also a loss of the will to yearn for it and the lack of patience to wait for it, combined with the inability to Dream towards the Future or to keep Hope and Love Alive within your Heart!
Suicide is the final act of a desperate person who cannot see any other solution
to their overwhelming problems, at that particular time in their Life! They do not have the ability to realize that they can surpass it nor the will to attempt to overcome this seemingly insurmountable mountain of problems! Their view is narrowed from being at the lowest point in their Life! In addition, they cannot imagine or foresee a bright future because they are further blinded by their low self-esteem which in turn makes it difficult for them to look above & beyond ! All of these grave conditions combine and affect their mind as a toxic cocktail, whose effect renders them almost without will and leaves them in a severely depressed state of mind! The only thing that they can envision in front of them now, is a dead-end road that leads them straight into the smothering pile of never-ending trouble with no way above, around, past or through it! Then, it is either impossible for their mind to fathom a light at the end of the tunnel or they believe that the tunnel is their only chance to ever see the light! This is seen as the only path directly through the mountain of problems that are blocking any chance for them to ever receive happiness again! This feels like their only chance to escape the cruel and vicious World that feels entirely hostile and unkind to them and will only further dump more and more upon them, for the rest of the days that they remain here! To some, this is a selfish act when someone does this and it makes them mad! To others, they see this only as painful and this leaves them sad! Whichever way you think, I hope we can all agree, there is not much good that comes from it with the exception of bringing the survivors closer together and maybe preventing another person from falling victim to this ill-fated & untimely end! It is unjust for anyone involved and whichever opinion we have of it, this should be known to us all as a Human Tragedy! All I can say is that I wish you the best of luck, TrueLove68 in showing your friend the light and that I hope you are successful! What you doing is one of the most Humane acts and this in itself makes you great for trying, whether you are successful or not! You are showing True Love & Compassion and also what a True Friend, You Are Indeed! I applaud you for living upto your great name, as well! | |
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