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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/19/2005 12:16:25 AM | I would have to agree with coastergal..No man or woman is ever worth commiting suicide over, it's just plain ass crazy. I can remember one guy I dated when I was 18 yrs old. At first, everything was great. We got along just fine and everything. We dated off & on for 2 yrs then on Valentines Day of 2004, we finally broke up. He's the one who ended it and there for a little while, I wanted to end my life. I didn't wanna live anymore because I thought my life was over. But then I realized that it wasn't because I had this wonderful little baby boy that needed a mother in his life. He is the most precious, most loving child that a mother could ever ask for. He is my world, heart and sould. I would do anything in this whole entire world for him. Anyways, whoever is thinking about commiting suicide, don't do it. It isn't worth it. Come on now, who would wanna kill themselves over a guy or girl just because the relationship didn't work out like you had wanted or planned?
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/19/2005 6:13:35 AM | | suicide over a broken heart is the **** way out.if it was true love you would still be together.anyone who thinks of suicide has more deeper issuses than a broken heart.my best friend for over 15 years killed himself in august.at the time he was engaged to my friend heather,who i also knew for 15 years.well like any relationship they had problems,it didnt help matters that he was fighting a cocaine addiction.i knew what was going on with them we talked about their problems and i tried to help,best that i could.the day he died,him and heather got in a fight over his addiction,which left him feeling like he wasnt good enough for her,and that in time she would leave.i know i talked to him 30 mins before he died.he called asking if i would forgive him for anything he did,being the good friend i said yes and no matter what he did i would always love him.a few hours later heather calls me crying told me she found him in the garage with his car running and she couldnt wake him up.she asked me to come over,i got there right before the corner got there,i had to identify the body.in the end he thought he was doing her a favor by taking his own life.when all he realy did was hurt her worse,not to mention his family and me.heather was put on a suicide watch,she wanted to join him in the next world,thats how much she loved him.well thank god she made it through all of this.if your thinking of suicide,rember this.yes you will be free of all your pain,but you are just creating a life long pain and nightmares for the one who love you,and if you truly love them you would not want them to hurt the way you are hurting.get some help talk to someone and rember life is worth living it dosent feel like it all the time but it is.it takes a stronger person to make it through the hard times instead of just giving up. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/19/2005 6:29:25 AM | | My father committed suicide because my mother finally wanted to end thier rocky, futile relationship of 30+ years. I think that suicide SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! He got what he wanted I guess and I'm here to try and deal with my and my children's grief. It's been over 1 and a half years since I found him and not a day goes by that I don't wish I could have done something to save him. Killing yourself is just not worth it, just because one person doesn't love you, doesn't mean there isn't anybody who does. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/19/2005 7:11:06 AM | steelwaters
You are one of the only people on this thread that can grasp a true understanding of a suicidal desire. Glad you're putting that out there for those too naive (not meant as an insult by any means) to understand it's true depth and complexity.
For those of you who got mad at your loved ones for taking themselves away, I can assure you of this, they are in peace and no longer in the perpetual nightmare that their life gave them. Even if, through your eyes, things weren't as dire.
Something I haven't heard of is that of a parent taking themselves due to the death of their offspring. Not necessarily by suicide but from SIDS or just simply a tragic accident. I am not a parent but I can tell you this, there is no greater sadness than that of a parent who's lost their child. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/19/2005 7:48:37 AM | | well i have been going thru a broken heart for 4 years and christmas time seems to be the hardest for me i have thaught about it but im a fighter and i know i will get thew it some how and i will meet someone to share my life with. i had my soulmate once and i will find her again i hope anyway. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/19/2005 8:00:47 AM | I want to say a lot about this but I dont know how to say it right that people would think I am a wack job....
Jail is a good place to be when you think about suicide but not for what you think I think it is.
Being dead form suicide is sorta like jail but eturnity and it is a lot more growed in the place you go and you cant communicate with those others.
and there is some truth esle where on that too on you see what your loved ones are going through because of that choce you made to solve a tempary problem....
yes there is a lot to say cause I have been there that is what more I can say and then some ... | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/19/2005 9:29:55 AM | | truelove68....I have got to tell you, if it wasn't for my daughter I probably wouldn't be here. She kept me from doing anything stupid. When I broke up with my ex, it was crushing. It was mutual, but still crushing. I grew to be dependent on him (WHICH ISN'T GOOD) and he wasn't there anymore. I was listening to the radio one day and heard Reba MacIntire's song "Somebody", it is a country song. "...Somebody on the morning train, somebody in the coffee shop that you walk by everyday....Somewhere out there, there's somebody" Those are some words fromt he song, and let me tell you, it woke me up out of the slight depression I had. That there is someone out there for you (or the person you posted the thread for). | |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 11:09:35 AM | | if your dumb enough to kill yourself over another person you deserve to die.thats the dumbest statement ive heard all year.good thing you dont work for a hospice.every one isnt as strong and they need help.you never would have said that if you had to look at your husband or best friend in a coffin.then have to go home and explain why daddy isnt coming home or watching your child try to climb in the coffin with her dad because she so hurt.its people like you that make it so hard for the suicidial to reach out for help.they think why reach out when people think i deserve to die.so yes your opinionis pointless more to the point,inhumane. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/19/2005 1:22:09 PM | I thik it's tragic, short sighted and obviously the thoughts of someone so young they don't yet know that tomorrow is another day. The sun also rises and that this too shall pass. That is the good thing about getting older (which this person will not get the chance to do), you realize it is not the end of the world.
What's even better is you also realize that you have no idea why you thought whatever it is that brought you to the point of thinking these dark thoughts, was not so bad in hindsight. Tell you friend they may be missing out on the greatest gifts right around the corner.
Life is an adventure, and sometimes a rollar coaster. It's learning to ride the waves and then actually learning to enjoy the ride. Take care my love. Do not cry for anyone who wouldn't cry for you! I will be watching this thread and you are welcome to email me personally. I am good at these things and am more than happy to help you or your friend through this difficult time. God Bless.  | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/19/2005 1:37:45 PM | i think its situational. if is true love and of the most abject tragedies i say yes it is. misery is something best savored in the company of a lover, and when that person is gone....well. i do speak from experiance. i lost my fiancee 4 years ago and was hospitalized 3 times. i think after you find the one person you love the most and they are ripped out of your life, i found at least that there was really no other reason to live. for a man who loves not lives not and i cannot..at least not yet, i cannot find myself loving another man. i have lost 2 friends to suicide over love, and i do not mourn their deaths, because i know that the emptiness that comes from losing love is far to great for any one person to deal with, and that now they know some kind of peace. suicide is not the easy way out.... the people i know that have done so put alot of thought into it, as did i when i tried. its simply a way to resolve everything, its not just something done in the passion of emotion, to me it is a very thought out process. i am glad however that i didnt suceed... but as quoted earlier in the thread. for some such as myself it was the end of a world... MY world. he was gone and my world went with him, im here now to make my friends happy and that is it.dont want to see another sunrise or sunset without that person beside you. sometimes you dont want to grow old without them to comfort you....and i dont. but im here...alas im still here if only for all my friends.... if anyone has a problem with what i just said, and i dont mean people emailing me telling me im an idiot, you can email me....
"i dont want to see another star fall... this winter shall pass a cold and lonely one without your heart in my hand" | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/19/2005 4:02:58 PM | When the 1992 presidential debates were going on, I heard Ross Perot say something that, although basic, sounded very true in terms of these love-relationship things. A cancer can't be stopped once it's eaten your whole body. You must stop it once you get the first symptoms.
If you can't stop a bad relationship (believe me, the symptoms are already there when you haven't even started dating) then how can you not expect feeling desperate when it has destroyed your happiness. No one should die for love, but at least save yourself the trouble and not get into a destructive relationship that is going to kill your happiness.... | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/19/2005 5:47:06 PM | | I absolutely HATE is when some uses that expression. Dont give a textbook answer for something you know nothing about, unless youve had some experience with those that have comitted suicide. My wife comitted suicide 10 minths ago. She was in a lot of physical and emoptional pain. I do NOT condone suicide in the least. The last 10 months have been absolutely horible. I attended a grief meeting not far from where Im staying. One of the attendees used that expression and I tore her a new one. I explained why. Ti the persson that commits suicide, it is more than not well planned out, and used as an escape for the pain they are suffering. They give NO thought to what the survivors will end up going through. Its holy hell. There was no one reason why she killed herself. It was a combination of several reasons. To the person that commits suicide, it isn't a tempory problem. Im just saying, please dont a textbook answer for something you are not familiar with. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/19/2005 10:34:54 PM | | I think suicide is a lousy solution for any problem, but for a broken heart, that's just really stupid. We all love and lose in life, sometimes greatly. But how can you learn to appreciate something any better then knowing how it feels to lose it. There are way to many flowers to see bloom, and birds that have yet sung, sunrises and sunsets to be in awe of to just throw it all away for a broken heart. Someone will mend it, maybe you'll do it yourself, maybe it will be broken even worse, but knowing that you were loved goes a long way to making it all ok. | |
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| What do you think of a person committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/19/2005 10:45:28 PM | At one time I most certainly thought I had reason, lost my wife of three months in a bad car accident.
Fact is, it takes courage to live and bull your way through it.
Those that got the guts to fight live, those that don't........
Snuffing it is the easy way out, tough as it may be to actually do.
There is a better way, and a person needs to find it within themselves. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/19/2005 10:58:26 PM | Just trying to go for record length in one post.
"Better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all."
It's so much easier to believe that when you have love, but it's almost impossible to feel that way when nobody loves you. I hear many of the opponents of suicide talk about their families, their children, and their friends. Lucky them. Some people don't have all that, but sometimes it doesn't matter even if you do, because the love of family and friends is no substitute for romantic love, and there IS a difference.
I'm going to say something that many of you will be inclined reject out of hand, but hear me out: It's truly hard to explain the motivations for suicide to someone who hasn't really been there. Sure, you THINK you've been there, but it couldn't have been that bad; you're still alive. Can you remember as a child throwing a tantrum about something you thought was unfair? And looking back on that do you recognize now how trivial it was? But you must remember at the time it seemed like a big deal - and to you, it was! At some point we've all been that child. We all understand. Unlike suicidal depression, we really can sympathize because we've all been there before. But there are some places you haven't been. If the world was deaf, and you could hear, how would you describe music to the world? How would a war veteran describe the horrors of war to a civilian? We're familiar with how somebody who has seen terrible things in war can suffer permanent psychological damage, and yet nobody doubts their suffering or dismisses what they've been through. These people often commit suicide as a direct result of what they've been through. I saw a dog get hit by a car, and I've seen people die on TV, but I don't pretend to understand what a war veteran is going through. Why do we do this with depression? It would be unfair of me to downplay the pain of a difficult breakup for the people partaking in this thread, because I know it hurts, but it's prejudiced to suggest that nobody has it worse than you. If you think they don't, you need to get off your high horse. It's insulting and condescending to people who have good reasons for the pain they're in.
A parent losing a child is an excellent example of something that can completely destroy your desire for life. For many people, their children is their life's work - it's their entire purpose for being. If you want to look at it from an evolutionary standpoint, if you fail in the biological endeavor to reproduce, you no longer serve any purpose. In the same respect, if you fail to find a mate with which to reproduce, you don't serve any purpose. Biologically, you're a failure. The very same genetic instincts that give us a sex drive also give us that intuitive awareness that failure to reproduce is a fault.
I sometimes wonder about people with a severely diminish mental capacity - the people who usually live in some sort of assisted care facility. To be blunt, I mean retards. I feel bad because they really don't stand any chance of living the type of life that most people would require to be happy. ...and yet, they usually go on without complaint. In most cases, their misfortune is also their blessing. They're literally unaware of what they're missing. But sadly, not all are that way. I've seen some who are fully capable of love and really feel the need to be loved. The problem is that their options are limited, and they become deeply depressed as a result. It does happen and it's horrible to witness because there's simply no hope. What do you tell them? "Cheer up! You'll find someone?" "Hang in there, things will get better?" Not likely. And I know what I'm saying isn't pleasant to think about, but realize that this kind of situation is common OUTSIDE of the stereotype example I just laid out.
...and you can feel bad for people with depression, and you can say nice things, but in the end what are you going to do about the depression itself? Give them drugs, fix the problem, or shout advice from the sidelines? Sometimes you can do anything but accept it and understand.
Here's a real-life situation: I have a friend who can't get a date to save his life. He's an incredibly nice guy, but relatively average looking. He tries hard to meet people and he's certainly very nice to them. He's not even very picky, at least when it comes to looks, but he is religious so there are some standards. He's lonely and he's been absolutely unsuccessful in every venture to find someone. Now, if I were in his shoes, I'd be playing chicken with a freight train. (Fortunately, the disaster that is my life isn't nearly so bad as his.) I feel bad for him. Frankly, I don't know why he sticks around. I'd like to help him, but what can I do? His other friends and myself have all done our best to give him guidance. I can't make him any more attractive. His personality seems relatively faultless, and I can't polish it up any better. I can't help him. Nobody can. He can't help himself. All he can do is keep trying and hope for the best. The problem is that he's growing old, and in all the years he's been at this, he's still not getting anywhere. Nobody knows what to do. What amazes me is that he's not terribly depressed about it. (Or if he is, he's hiding it really well.) But if he was depressed, what could I do? What hope could I give him? I don't think there is any hope. I could lie, but thankfully it's an issue I don't have to consider. If he was depressed, I wouldn't stop him from any decision he might make. I wouldn’t wish that kind of suffering on anyone. I’d understand. I'd be happy for him. He's smart enough that he could take care of all this on his own, so I don't really have to worry about my responsibility in the matter, but I would completely understand. Moreover, in the end, I think he'd appreciate that. The point is that such a person would have good reason to feel justified in their decision, and would appreciate our understanding, and would prefer we be happy for them, and not blame them or be angry, or criticize.
I'm grateful that I don't have it so bad. My life is better than his life in virtually every way, yet, unlike me, he's profoundly happy. His great misfortune barely affects him at all. I can't fathom how that could be, nevertheless it's so. Everybody else who is browsing this thread must have some reason for being here. How many of you have it as bad as he does? How many of you have it as bad as any of these examples? How many of you are ridiculously happy despite your misfortune? Some people are immune, and some are vulnerable. When you're vulnerable, AND your life sucks, that's a recipe for suicide.
Some people stick around for those who remain in their life. If you quit living, you'll be letting people down. For somebody who's depressed, it feels like a burden pretending to be happy for those around you. Friends and family depend on you to keep smiling for them. So we keep people alive by laying a guilt-trip on them? Yeah, THAT's considerate. Talk about selfish.
I was just now thinking how strange it is that everything surrounding suicide becomes a blame game. Who's fault is it? Why, why, why? ...and I have to wonder why these questions and this blame doesn't come up BEFORE such an event takes place, and then when it does happen, why are we so strongly compelled to find somebody responsible, and why are we so reluctant to share the blame? It's easiest to blame the one person who isn't around to speak in their defense. A suicide note is an inadequate advocate, which I think is part of why they're so infrequently written.
It's fortunate that most people don't have it so bad as many of the examples I'm giving. For most people, there is hope. If you've dated dozens of people, and suffer one very bad breakup, at least you have those previous successes to bolster your hope. If you've had difficulty dating anyone, and your one big shot at success goes up in flames, you're going to feel devastated, and justly so. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/19/2005 11:43:09 PM | First of all, I believe that a person who has verbalized an intention to kill themselves for any reason is crying out for help, for validation, for someone to say "I care" and, I think, also to say "please save me from myself", "give me a reason to live" because "I feel bad enough to do this." Truth is, as I scanned the responses to this message, I've realized just how many strangers, with the exception of some of the strange, who really do care about anyone who is in such pain. I would remind you that the world is full of good, caring, kind, compassionate people who have responded to you in the best way they know how. Some may have few words, others, well...practically an epistle. But whatever the words, they all say to you dear truelove68, that there is hope. When one has hope, one cannot commit suicide, because suicide indicates the real or imagined loss of hope. There is hope for love, true love, and for happiness, and for life to be lived in all its richness of experience.
I know someone intimately well who has contemplated suicide often. I know that during those times, what gets them through their day is asking themselves, "Is there really no hope left?" The answer is of course is there is hope. There is always hope. It is that hope that helps them take small step by small step, through their day, their week, their month, their year, even their decade if it takes them that long to learn what they need to learn...until they heal and begin to open up to new life, to a new dawn, to a new season. A broken heart is painful, but not unmendable. The loss of a loved one, whether parent, child, partner or friend, is so awful, I would not wish it on anyone...but it does not signal the loss of hope.
So, for whoever is contemplating suicide because of a loss, I would implore you to ask yourself, "Is there really no hope for me? Is everything in my life really hopeless?"
My suicidal friend has one more bit of advice...if hope cannot be found, just tell yourself, "Just get through the moment, and then the next until you've gottent through the day. And then, take each day and then the next, until you've gotten through a week..and so on." Along the way, do things that help you find hope. Learn about yourself enough that your relationships become more loving and fulfilling. Before you know it, instead of hating your life, you will love it."
I wish you well on your journey. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/20/2005 3:02:49 AM | | As I read the replies I see a lot of idiots who are so self absorbed that they think suiside is the "easy way out", that it is "selfish". I also see people who are on the right track, It is the straw that broke the camel's back, the final event of a series. For some it is a process of batteling depression which requires drug and physco therapy, A lifetime of it because chemical imbalances usually don't go away. Carefully check your family history to see if there is a history of mental illness, there may be hereditary factors to overcome. Some made the comment that "suisides" just wanted the pain to stop, a very good thought! I suppose some are just being selfish but there are those who don't care about hurting others around them, they just want the built up pain of their lives to stop. It is amazing to me that the analogy to combat etc was made, to overcome the fear of death, a good point, who knows why a person jumps up and charges the enemy facing certain death, maybe it is an unselfish act of giving their life to save others the pain of loss of life. I never considered in 22 years of military that I was being selfish by putting my life on the line every day of my life. Each person is motivated by their own core values and life experience. Only we can determine for ourselves the importance of an experience, only the individual can determine for themself the extent of the emotion they want to attach to an experience. It is impossible for one person to tell another how to feel about an event because the only person who knows how it feels is the person who the event is happening to. 02-02-02 was a horrible day for me, I wanted the pain to stop, a series of events in my life that culminated in the fear of death being of no consequence. I didn't want to hurt others, I wanted to stop hurting others and for my pain to stop. At that "moment" I felt such relief that I didn't have to live the way I was living anymore. I was pissed that my plan was interrupted by a power greater than us all. Some mention the idea that we all have a purpose here in this life, that we may be destined to influence someone's life. I expect so, some by that "sucessful act" and some by a failed attempt. No matter your choice, you will affect other people's lives. For me, the focus of my life is totally different nearly 4 years later, that has taken a great deal of effort on my part to learn a new way of thinking, and not only a realization that I most likely will be on drugs the rest of my life but an acceptance of it. I still have bad days, but most are very good now because I make consious choices to work at having a happy productive life. I have set new boundries for the limits of my emotional attachments. I don't allow my self worth to be governed by my impressions of how I think others feel about me. I have become somewhat selfish now because I do for myself what makes me feel valuable, who cares what others think! I am the one who determines my own value, if you don't feel good about yourself maybe try to change your life so what you are doing makes you feel good about yourself. I positively know this, there are two ways to make the pain stop, suiside ends it immediately, the other if you are willing to deal with the pain for a while longer takes work on your part. My belief in myself is different today than ever before in that if my performance was bad the "team" failed. Now I focus on "me" and let my performance affect the "team" however it will. A pretty fine line, and maybe a difficult concept to understand because I am not very good at expressing what I am trying to say. I have developed another belief as a result of my life experience: Everything we can posess materialistically in this world and even our life can be snached away in an instant. There are many people in this world who enjoy the taking from others what they have worked so hard for, those who are "takers". And there are the "givers", those who usually are the ones feeling the pain of being taken from. It doesn't matter in the end what we "gave" in our life because the only things we can take to our graves are those "core" values, honesty, integrity, our belief in ourselves. Maybe reach inside yourself and pull some of those things out to use as armor against those who would "take" from you. Those things that come from inside that only you can make the choice to hold on to or give up. In the end this is only "my life" and what works for me doesn't work for others, they are just ideas to help get some positive thought going on your part. I wish you well, djcjjk. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/20/2005 3:17:19 AM | Suicide over a broken heart,or any other problem,is not the solution.
I am sure many of us have been depressed and thought of it at one time or another.
It may help to seek professional help.
Just remember a broken heart can be mended,suicide is finale.
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/20/2005 8:19:02 AM | Loaded question, really... If you're asking for a personal opinion; I'd have to say that I really don't care if someone commits suicide over a broken heart, and I'll tell you why.
IT'S NOT MY FAULT. Simple, isn't it?
This question is no different that me asking how I feel about a loved one dying in an automobile accident. It's NOT MY FAULT.
I am "not my brother's keeper." What one does with one's life is entirely up to them, but as far as being sympathetic to a suicide over; of all things, a member of the opposite sex scrreams of selfish stupidity. And as a self respecting man with a heart a mile wide I cannot in any good or responsible way give a $hit if someone kills themselves intentionally.
IT'S NOT MY FAULT: That you're selfish.
That you're mean.
That you have no respect for others.
That you don't love anyone enough to stick around.
That you want to hurt people who love you just so they can pay attention to you.
That you don't care about being recognized as a quitter for eternity rather than just a lifetime.
Sympathy has no place when someone kills themself over a lover. It makes about as much sense as having unprotected sex in Haiti.
Fondest Regards,
Jack Worthing. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/20/2005 8:49:31 AM | | I am so sorry to hear of your loss. Depression is a very tricky illness to deal with. My X and X best friend and neighbour had an affair. I packed up sold the house and moved away, her husband killed himself over the whole affair. That just left the door open for them to be together living in "their" house happily ever after.......ughhhhh we have to hope that what goes round comes around....someday they will get theirs! I hope you are dealing ok with you loss, just know that some people do care and will listen. Take care. | |
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| What do you think of a peron committing suicide over a broken heart??
Posted: 12/20/2005 8:57:53 AM | First of all, I believe suicide to be the most selfish act a person can commit. The pain that those left behind experience is overwhelming and never ever fully goes away.
But here is what I wanted to say....Whenever I am in a seemingly impossible situation, or one where I am afraid, or one where I am in either emotional or physical pain that seems beyond my ability to bear....I tell myself this over and over...."This too shall pass." It is truth. Say it and believe it. | |
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