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Posted: 12/20/2005 7:28:12 PM | "He was also quite fond of cabbage and introduced his Mum's recipes for cabbage soup to the University of Edinburgh cafeteria lady. It was featured daily. I myself keep a pot of Hume's Cabbage Soup either simmering or chilling at all times."
 You must share this recipe for Hume's cabbage, although I must say, according to Hume's dictates, I'm skeptical that's it's as good as you say.
"I take it the bonus question was more than you could handle."
Please enlighten us as to the points of similarity you draw between Reaganomics and Marxism, with this small request- please don't fly off on wild tangents.
"Was'nt it according to quantum thermodynamics that the flap of a butterfly's wing could cause a hurricane??"
That's chaos theory you're thinking of- the idea of small changes in initial conditions having profound and unpredictable effects in non-linear systems. | |
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Posted: 12/20/2005 7:46:51 PM | "Was'nt it according to quantum thermodynamics that the flap of a butterfly's wing could cause a hurricane??"
No, nevercanezzer, and it's not 'quantum' thermodynamics, just thermodynamics. The 'zeroth' law postulates that if there are two systems in thermal equilibrium with the third, then they are in equilibrium, i.e. Boolean binary operation of the associative principle, e.g. a+(b+c)=(a+b)+c, a*(b*c)=(a*b)*c. First law relates to kinetic energy and 'work'. Second law relates to the flow of temperature, and the third relates to entropy.
What we're referring to when we say "If a brain farts in left field, the weather will change in New York City" comes from Chaos Theory. Lorenz discovered the problem of turbulence and bifurcations when he was playing around with his weather computer and inputed the wrong numbers into it. This lead to the divergence of weather patterns and chaotic readings. He sketched out what's known as the Lorenz Attractor, which looked like the wings of a butterfly. Essentially, his mistake brought up a serious issue about Determinism and how small initial conditions (like his small mistake in inputing decimal places) led to huge bifurcations. So, this led to the saying, "If a butterfly flaps its wings in Borneo, the weather will change in New York City", which exemplifies the logic behind Chaos. Wonka and I were just joking around with the brain fart and were alluding to this as the thread is about Causation. | |
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Posted: 12/20/2005 8:53:49 PM | Wow...I'm getting flashbacks to the whole "the message is the medium". Whenever we do anything there are obvious consequences and their unintended consequences. Its not until we look back that we can see the actuality of the event which occurred.
It depends what your goal is. If your goal is to have event A to have a specific impact on event B you can take measures to ensure your goal is met within acceptable limits. What you can not control are all the other impacts that were set in motion by the intial event. So in the end, the results you might have been attempting to seek are very different than one your original intentions were.
I think what is important is to be able to reach your goal despite all the "chaos" caused by the intial event. If your attempt is to control each event which spawned out of the initial event then you would have to be all knowing....which we aren't. | |
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Posted: 12/20/2005 10:30:35 PM | hume was one of the great sceptics. poor guy, he lived in a very' ontilogically ambigous' plane of existance. sure... just because you see something happen in front of you, doesnt mean it did. maybe it's a dream. maybe you'r the microcosm of the world, and all u see are shadows of illusions. maybe.
pure knowledge is only within god's grasp.
causality is REAL becuase no one has disproved it. this philosophy does not disprove causality, it only questions it. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 4:03:22 AM | "causality is REAL becuase no one has disproved it. this philosophy does not disprove causality, it only questions it. "
Nope. That's not the case at all. Any theory remains just a theory even if it hasn't been disproved. Nothing 'real' about it. That's an abstract sentiment and I'm not really sure what you mean by 'real'. They haven't disproved the Higg's Boson in Quantum Electrodynamics. Is it real? | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 9:31:05 AM | If a team of archaeologists were to unearth the remains of American civilization in the year 2095 AD, and all they had upon which to base their evaluation of the 1980's were detailed financial records of the United States government and copies of all the major political philosophies in the history of mankind, they would conclude that the United States of America was a Marxist nation and that President Ronald Reagan was the candidate of the American Marxist Party.
The guy spent money like a Marxist!
When every major industry of a nation is financed from the raw materials stage through the production and marketing stages by deficit government spending, that nation is practicing Marxist economics.
There are several non-Marxist features to the American economy. Fee-simple ownership of real estate, the lack of a state-controlled economy, the absence of social programs for the poor, the indigent and the elderly, unaffordable medical care and health insurance, privately controlled pension funds, and others.
These features constitute inequities in a class based economic system which would not exist in a Marxist state once that state had completely abandoned its psuedo-capitalistic spending policies. It is unknown whether or not President Reagan was truly concerned with eliminating these inequities, but his spending priorities indicate that he was willing to continue exploiting lower economic classes indefinitely. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 9:33:15 AM | | Polly, actually that does take into account some aspects of Chaos Theory. For some reason I was thinking of billiard balls. Sorry, doll. Nice spin. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 9:39:46 AM | "Polly, actually that does take into account some aspects of Chaos Theory."
I was wondering why you said that to her at first. I thought, although it was hardly a logistical treatment of the ideas, that she captured them in rather a poetic manner. Considering she's not that familiar with the ideas, I thought she caught on to the gist better than most. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 9:45:04 AM | | Yeah. On second look, it takes into account the massive divergence of multiple systems with multiple initial conditions. A general prediction that a large cold front is moving into New York City without knowing the intrinsic systems that are working within that cold front. She had a nice spin, but I misunderstood. I was still thinking about billiards for some reason. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 9:56:09 AM | Hume's Cabbage Soup
1 medium head cabbage
1 chicken leg quarter
1 12 oz slab of stew beef
2 small cans Contadina tomato paste
2 16 oz cans stewed tomatoes
2 tbl butter
Chop cabbage and bring to boil in one inch water
boil for 20 minutes then remove from heat
add butter, stir, then add stewed tomatoes
Boil Chicken leg and stew beef until tender
Remove meat and let cool
Add tomato paste to broth, wisk and simmer
Chop meat and return to water/tomatoe paste
simmer 20 minutes
Pour tomatoe paste with meat into cabbage pot
simmer and serve
salt and pepper to taste
enjoy! | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 10:02:54 AM |
Hume's Cabbage Soup
1 medium head cabbage
1 chicken leg quarter
1 12 oz slab of stew beef
2 small cans Contadina tomato paste
2 16 oz cans stewed tomatoes
2 tbl butter
34 oz of pure crack cocaine | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 12:54:27 PM | Dats yo momma's recipe....... be-aw-ch!
Na-na-na-na-na!  | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 1:32:56 PM | All I really know about chaos theory is what I got from watching Jurassic Park hehe.
But it was enough to make the connection and the work of Marshall McLuhan in his publication "Understanding the Media" and his enigmatic paradox, "The medium is the message." <---- I got that off of one those Canadian History bit commericals on TV.
I've learned far too many things from a box.  | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 1:11:55 AM | "All I really know about chaos theory is what I got from watching Jurassic Park hehe."
That was a great book. I like Crichton. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 10:16:54 AM | My previous message refered to this one....Sorry about that!!! ...Still learning the ropes!!!
[It depends what your goal is. If your goal is to have event A to have a specific impact on event B you can take measures to ensure your goal is met within acceptable limits. What you can not control are all the other impacts that were set in motion by the intial event. So in the end, the results you might have been attempting to seek are very different than one your original intentions were.] | |
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