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Posted: 12/22/2005 3:56:21 PM | The Bible was written by politicians.
And pornographers.
Are you willing to follow their spiritual path? | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 3:59:37 PM | | More and more do each year. They have now legalised night clubs that cater to wife swapping etc in Canada.. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 5:16:06 PM | This won’t make sense to anyone who hasn’t experienced it, but I tried to read the Bible many, many times during my first 34 years of life. It never made sense to me. Then I was born again. I will never forget the first time I picked up the Bible after I was born again. Like they say—my eyes were opened! I was completely shocked, because it made sense to me. People had told me about this, but I didn’t really believe it until it happened to me. There’s a verse in I Corinthians that says something about people not being able to understand the things of God if you don’t have the Spirit of God within you.
Politicians and pornographers??????? OK, I can sort of see where you’d come up with politicians. I guess someone like David, who was called “a man after God’s own heart,” could be considered a politician since he was a king. Only a very small number of books of the Bible were written by people in “political” positions. But pornographers? Please explain. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 5:47:31 PM | I agree that there are "spiritual eyes needed for reading the bible. spiritual attacks can be really bad when firdt getting into it.
where is porn in the bible? | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 5:55:46 PM | are you saying that the many writers of the bible were all pervs and liars?
look at their lives .. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 6:15:29 PM |
In for a penny as "they" say.... Wildfirefly,...its fiction...
Pretty bold, but ridiculously fallable statement, considering that even most secular historians have shown the historical aspects of many passages to be...hmm..what's that word...oh yes..."ACCURATE".
Sure, some things are still in question, and taken on Faith, but to say the whle thing is fiction? That's a statement that is very uneducated.
Perhaps in future, before making claims that border on the absurd, you either;
1) Research your wild claims more in depth, or
2) Back up ridiculous statements with factual references.
"Merry Christmas"  | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:54:11 PM |
If it wasn't for the Bible we would still be living in a pagan culture, crucifying enemies, thowing them to wild animals, "sacrificing virgins to the dark lord" and living in superstitious fear.
Actually most of the barbarism of Europe existed when the Church was at it's most powerful. Christians were very good at devising machines of torture. With the fall of the Church and the rise of the Age of Enlightenment, which was not based on the Bible, this barbarism eventually died out. Oddly enough, it's the Bible believers today who live in superstritious fear. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:55:37 PM |
Sure, some things are still in question, and taken on Faith, but to say the whle thing is fiction?
I agree there some fact in the Bible. But the major stories have all been shown to be fiction. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:30:41 PM | the barbarism of the middle ages was conducted by catholic leaders who kept the people in the "dark"
the great changes took place in the time of the reformation.
on the contrer most stories have been found to be true. and more are coming to light every day. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 10:29:32 PM | We believe that the scriptures are the living word of Yahweh, whom he inspired human writers to write. Not all in the scriptures is fact though, as Yahshua did speak in parables which btw are stories and not real people.
Steve & Kara | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 10:39:44 PM |
It sells on faith, that’s its function. It was never out to prove itself. If its purpose had been anything else it would have been thrown out centuries ago. I think it’s a very dangerous piece of propaganda. Why? Because is has created more wars than all of humankind put together.
Books don't kill people, people kill people. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 10:46:15 PM | Actually most of the barbarism of Europe existed when the Church was at it's most powerful. Christians were very good at devising machines of torture. With the fall of the Church and the rise of the Age of Enlightenment, which was not based on the Bible, this barbarism eventually died out.
Uhm, yeah ok Count. I've read your posts before and know your intelligence and knowledge of history is far better than the bs you're attempting to baffle me with there.. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 11:33:25 PM | | Oh so true......more wars have been started over religious beliefs than over something that actually may have made the king pissed off. (All were human) Think outside the box for a sec. what does religion teach us? what does it imply? Where did your parents get their morals and values from? Are we as primal as a butterfly that only lives half a year, procreates and dies? I believe that there are only 3 religious beliefes. Atheiast, Old testimont and christion. Hmmmmmmm......Who is right? I think we are all wrong for stating that one may be right.............? Perasonnally I am RC. If I read my bible right, I am right but........you are wrong wich in my bible it say's i am perhaps mistaken for judging someone. Hmmmmm ever read inyour own bible some contradictory passages? I am a christrian believer, but am confused. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2005 12:51:17 AM | so why not the bible . what can be compared to it.
Almost every other mythological book on earth.
so if you believe anything then why not the bible.
If you believe anything the why not the Koran, The book of Mormon, The Vedas, The path of enlightenment, etc.
isn`t it the great advocater of free chose?
Yes and No. It allows you to believe what you want in a sense. I believe many choose to do what the bible says, since doing the opposite lands you in an eternal hell!!! | |
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Posted: 12/23/2005 6:09:07 AM | Many of the supposedly religious wars were labeled as such by leaders who were masking what it was they were truly looking to get out of it. Usually stuff like, more real estate, resources of another country, a bigger income tax base, the lust for power, greed, etc. It was and still is, easier to incite the general population to take up arms in the name of some religion or principle than because of the greed of the leaders but it is that greed that is the real factor behind most if not all religious wars, whether Christian or other.
To continue blaming religion as being the reason proves that the general population is still gullible even in this supposedly enlightened age. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2005 9:14:10 AM | patrick2813;
I have theorised this before and I'll repeat it here.
For a 'God of Love' of which the Bible promotes Him to be, one should note something I came across on the internet (can't remember the reference): 'Violence is the Real Porn in Society' Porn is not a serious problem other than it generally teaches lack of respect for some women to be considered decent. Violence is a serious problem since it teaches lack of respect for all human life. It is as true now as it ever was.
So, look at the inhuman aspects of biblical violence and measure it to your understanding. I know what mine is. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2005 9:30:17 AM | 1) Research your wild claims more in depth, or
2) Back up ridiculous statements with factual references.
#1. Been there,...done that... If anyone is making "wild claims" it would be ,..lets see...what is that word???...oh yeah, "YOU"....
#2 I have absolutely Zero need to back up a single thing here, ..tell you what, you prove what I say is incorrect and I will stop saying it...okay pumpkin???
And in the future if you seriously cannot restrain your "good , charitable, Christian" heart from from making personal attacks ,...why not email them to me instead of sniping like this????
I have found that the text is fabricated on enought points to allow my personal feeling and integrity to conclude that , "if it is smelly...it must be rotten"..if you are having a problem with that point of view, why not look at a shiny ornament or something else to distract you for all of the several moments you need to forget what you "thought was important"..., Okay?
And one last point,...everytime you feel it just cant go on you must "Strike the intertloper" , and "smite him with your godly Knowledge",...really try to remember how damaging it is to the Christian cause to go around attacking people because they simply do not agree with you... It looks and feels very empty and souilless to everybody that witness's it...
The thread originator was asking a question,...not asking you to engage in a dog-fight...I know it is confusing...look shiny things on your "fact" tree....mmmmmmm | |
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Posted: 12/23/2005 2:35:41 PM |
Books don't kill people, people kill people.
True, many books don't incite killing. But some actually DO. Some movies actually DO too. Literature has a resonsibility to its readership, just as movies have to their audiance.
Happy reading!
David Slaughters Them
"And he brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes..." (I Chronicles 20:3)
Chapters 17-19 (17-18-19) tells us that David killed 22,000 Syrians and that Abishai killed 18,000 Edomites. No one expresses shame at such slaughters.
Here in 20:3, we have David, counted as a great leader of the Israelites, slaughtering captives after the cessation of hostilities. From what high moral ground should we admire this action?
Decapitate Them!
"And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.'" (Numbers 25:3-4)
Those who worshipped other gods must die, and even more horribly, their heads displayed publicly. Either God never said anything so cruel, or we truly live in a cursed universe, ruled by a maniac Supreme Being.
Millions of people, today, switch their religions. If God had any interest in this ongoing process, there appears no evidence of this.
Gideon Slaughters
"And Gideon said, Therefore when the Lord hath delivered Zebah and Zalmunna into mine hand, then I will tear your flesh with the thorns of the wilderness and with briers" (Judges 8:7)
"Now Zebah and Zalmunna were Karkor, and their hosts with them, about fifteen thousand men, all that were left of all the hosts of the children of the east: for there fell an hundred and twenty thousand men that drew sword." (Judges 8:10)
The Gideon Society places Bibles into motels and hotels across America. One would assume Gideon lived as a person of exemplary character and great worth to have a worldwide society named after him. Below describes some of Gideon's accomplishments:
Gideon slaughtered thousands in battle by plotting with the "Lord" to use Treachery.
Gideon murdered thousands more for worshipping "false Gods."
Gideon tortured and killed still more for daring to taunt him.
Gideon plundered the bodies of his victims (to fashion a jeweled priestly vestment).
Gideon fathered an offspring who killed 69 of his stepbrothers.
Read the story of Gideon in Judges, chapters thru 6-9 ( 6-7-8-9). The tale of Gideon describes just one of the many horror stories in the Bible, a book that glorifies behavior abysmal to modern society. The clergy and leaders have hoodwinked millions of people about the stories in the Bible. Don't let others decide for yourself.
God Buries Them Alive
"And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said, Lest the earth swallow us up also. And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense." (Numbers 16:32-35)
Moses relays a sadistic threat that asks us to believe that God punishes members of families, including innocent infants. And again we have the Satanic fire coming from God burning his creations.
God Kills The Firstborns!
"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead." (Exodus 12:29-30)
If we believe every word in the Bible as coming from God, then it stands to reason that the violent actions from the God described in Exodus cannot give us a moral comparison to live our lives in a peaceful world.
If one wishes to believe that God possess love for His creations, then the killing of innocent children cannot possibly come from God, and therefore, these verses from the Bible must have come elsewhere. But note that if one takes the Bible's words as absolute truth, then not only did God smote the firstborn children, but all firstborn regardless of age. This means all firstborn teenagers, firstborn men & women, firstborn octogenarians, and even all firstborn cows and bulls. Regardless of how much love, charity, or goodness they may have imparted to the world, if they had the unfortunate luck to have first passed through their mother's vagina in the land of Egypt, according to the Bible, God killed them!
God Sends Pestilence
"Either three years' famine; or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee; or else three days the sword of the LORD, even the pestilence, in the land, and the angel of the LORD destroying throughout all the coasts of Israel..." (I Chronicles 21:12)
"So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men." (I Chronicles 21:14)
David made an offense against God in taking a census of the people, so God gave David a choice. Oddly enough, David ignores God and never actually gets around to making a choice; so the Lord makes the decision for him and sends pestilence upon Israel.
It appears unclear as to why David committed a crime, but why shouldn't God have punished individual offenders instead of killing an army of innocent bystanders? Atrocities such as this appear outrageous enough when perpetrated by Attila the Hun, Hitler or Pol Pot, but when it comes from a, supposedly, loving God, it should make one wonder if this represents a Devil instead of a God.
God Slaughters Blacks
"And there came out against them Zerah the Ethiopian with an host of a thousand thousand, and three hundred chariots..." (II Chronicles 14:9)
So the LORD smote the Ethiopians before Asa, and before Judah; and the Ethiopians fled. (II Chronicles 14:12)
It appears that Black Christian Bible studies programs ignore these verses, for it says that the Lord God slaughtered over a million blacks.
The association of black with evil goes far back in Western Christian culture. The early Church fathers, Origen, Jerome, and Augustine of Hippo wrote about devils appearing as Ethiopians.
White racist groups (such as the Klu Klux Klan who think of themselves as opposite of black devils) see these Biblical verses as evidence to justify their beliefs. We still hear phrases such as "Prince of Darkness" or "Black magic" which link blackness with sin.
In the story of Ham and Japheth, the word "ham" has connotations of "hot" and "dark" in Semitic languages. To the ancient Israelites, as well as some modern Jews and Christians, the "children of Ham" had dark skin and lived in eastern Africa. Thus they see the "Curse of Ham" as a link with black skin and sexual license.
God's Threat To Kill
"And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt: And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts." (Exodus 11:4-5)
After reading such verses, it would become apparent, even to a child, that this does not describe the actions of a loving Being. Anyone who reconciles the killing of innocent children with an intelligent and loving Creator can only come from great ignorance under the addiction of blind faith.
"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize humankind."
--Thomas Paine
Godly Head Wounds
"But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such a one as goeth on still in his trespasses. The Lord said, I will bring again from Bashan, I will bring my people again from the depths of the sea: That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same." (Psalms 68:21-23)
If anyone believes these sadistic words come from God, then it might serve prudence to stay away from such people. For anyone who holds to such beliefs may very well do the same to others.
Godly Mass Murder
"And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter." (I Samuel 6:19)
Here we have just one more instance of God performing mass murder, a sadistic killer far worse than Hitler, Attila the Hun or Pol Pot.
These verses should insult the intelligence of any person who thinks that God possesses a loving nature.
One should not dismiss the Old Testament's repeated demand for the vilest atrocities as something peculiar to the early Hebrews. Even today, our most atrocious wars, terrorism and hate crimes occur around the world based on ancient religious beliefs, many of them coming directly from verses in the Old and New Testament.
Kill All Unbelievers
"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God..." (Deuteronomy 13: 5)
"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6)
"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)
"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 13:15)
Comment
These severe laws commanded the members of the Hebrew religion to murder even their own children if they did not worship Yahweh (God).
These Bible words can justify, to a fanatical fundamentalist believer, the killing of friends or family simply because they may fail to change their beliefs.
Why anyone today would accept these words, much less allow them to exist in a sacred book goes against the nature of any tolerant and loving people.
Kill Man, Woman, Infant
"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (I Samuel 15:2-3)
No matter how one can justify possible crimes from adults, suckling infants have no means of acting out crimes. And what evil against God could the animals have possibly performed? Only an evil entity could kill innocent infants and animals, no matter what their parents and owners may have done.
King David's Holocaust
"And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under the axes of iron, and made them pass through the brickkiln: and thus did he unto all the cities of the children of Ammon. So David and all the people returned unto Jerusalem." (II Samuel 12:31)
From the sacred scripts from the Bible we learn that the great King David carried out atrocities that rivaled the cruel acts from the holocaust of World War II. If we condemn the Nazi's for their atrocities, why should we not do the same for David's bloodthirsty actions?
Moses' Mass Murder
"Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)
Moses commands the murder of approximately 100,000 young males and, roughly, 68,000 helpless women.
Consider women and children of your own family: No matter how sick they may lay, or how they may go against a religion, how would you feel if a man named Moses, claiming to speak for God, sent men into your house and hacked to pieces the women and male children? Also, how would you react if they spotted a female child, dragged her off with them to do as they please with her? Note that these innocent virgins served for their own sexual pleasures.
Midian, the land of the Midianites, did not reside in an area regarded as a natural enemy of Israel for centuries, and in fact lay hundreds of miles away from the Israelite encampment. Moses, himself, had lived in Midian as fugitive after committing his first murder. In short, Midian presented no threat to God's "Chosen People."
Nail His Head!
"Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died." (Judges 4:21)
In verse 16 the Israelites surprise Sisera's army and that "there was not a man left," except Sisera who deserts his army and flees, a deed punishable by court martial today. Sisera then goes to the tent of Jael, the wife of Heber. Jael takes him in, hides him under a blanket, gives him milk to quench his thirst, and promises to stand guard at the door while he sleeps. Then Jael kills Sisera!
We see no telling of the slightest shame, but rather, Jael proudly flaunts her kill. The author of this piece of Scripture makes it clear that the passage represents a deed, not only as grand and heroic but also consistent with the will of God (see Judges 4:23).
Raping And Killing
"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:15-16)
These verses foretold the deaths of the people of Babylon. Fortunately not everyone in Babylon (now modern Iraq) fell by the sword or had their children dashed to pieces or their wives raped (just another instance of errors in the Bible). How some people who believe in an infallible Bible can accept these verses as God inspired, or morally uplifting can only give evidence to the blinding nature of belief. For if we believe these words as God inspired, then the killing of children and the raping of wives must also come as an inspiration from the Supreme Being.
Shed The Blood
"And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made the man." (Genesis 9:5-6)
Some anti-abortionists have used these words to justify the killing of abortionists. As such, these words helped inspire Michael Griffin to kill Doctor David Gunn on March 10, 1993.
Consider that the Bible never directly addresses abortion, much the less the condemnation of it. On the contrary, God himself has condoned, not only miscarriages, but has personally called for the killing of suckling infants and the bashing of children against the rocks.
(See Numbers 5:26-27, I Samuel 15:2-3, and Psalm 137:9)
Slaughter Of Innocents
"And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain." (Deuteronomy 2:34)
"And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Hesbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities we took for a prey to ourselves." (Deuteronomy 3:6-7)
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Such words helped give justification to mediaeval Crusaders who slaughtered men, women and children along their way to Jerusalem and stole the spoils of the cities. Even today, many Christian military men use Scripture to justify their actions. If any soldier harbors doubt about killing his fellow humans, he need only consult a military chaplain or read the Bible to calm their worries. Even George Bush (the First), with Billy Graham beside him, proclaimed the Gulf War as "moral." George Bush (the Second) continued in his father's steps by killing thousands of Iraqi civilians in the Iraqi war. Such moral wars result in thousands of "utterly destroyed" innocent men, women and children.;
(For a few more examples [but not all] see also Deuteronomy 3:3, 7:2, 20:16-17 , 25:19; Joshua 6:21, 8:26, 10-28-40; Numbers 31:17-18; I Samuel 15:3; Isaiah 13:16; and Hosea 13:16)
Slay Old And Young
"And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and woman: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house." (Ezekiel 9:5-6)
These words, commanded by God, orders the slaying of not only women and the old, but of little children. These accounts of cold-blooded massacres occurred simply because people refused to accept Yahweh. These phrases should give warning to anyone who knows a person who believes every word in the Bible.
For what sense of moral reasoning should we allow ourselves to admire such Biblical verses?
The Survivors
"Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel." (Revelation 7:3-4)
"And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads." (Revelation 9:3-4)
Comment
Here we have the great future destruction where millions of people will die. Only 144,000 Jews with a protective mark on their heads will survive.
How many believers realize that this means the death of everyone on earth but a few Jews? And this includes the destruction of all Christians!
Beware of a future "Armageddon" caused by religious people. Belief in self-fulfilling prophesies creates self-fulfilling acts.
Utter Destruction, 1
"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword." (Joshua 6:21)
These "God inspired" words give not a hint of mercy to innocent slaughtered women, children or the old.
After Moses and Aaron died, Joshua assumed command and the Israelites entered Jericho. Note that in the same siege, "all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the Lord: they shall come into the treasury of the Lord" (Joshua 6:19)
In the battle of Ai, the Bible tells that twelve thousand, the whole population of Ai, got slaughtered. (Josh. 8:25)
Note that many invaders throughout history have used such words as justification for wars and looting.
Utter Destruction, 2
"Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place." (Deuteronomy 12:2-3)
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The Lord, here commands the destruction of all the places where people worship other gods. There appears not a shred of religious tolerance here!
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own-- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."
--Albert Einstein
(For other examples of utter destructions, see Numbers 21:2; Deuteronomy 3:6-7, 7:2, 13:15, 20:17, Judges 21:11, II Chronicles 20:23; I Kings 20-42; Isaiah 11:15, 15:3, 9, 18; Jeremiah 12:17, 25-9, 50;21, 26, 51:3; Daniel 11;44; Amos 9:8 )
Washing Feet In Blood
"The righteous shall rejoice when he sees the vengeance. He shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked." (Psalms 58:10)
How many "good" Christians realize that such a verse appears in the Bible? Of course most preachers keep these bloodthirsty words away from their congregations, and the few Christians who do come across these verses, re-interpret them for their own purposes, not realizing the impact these words can have on others. Unfortunately the few that take these verses literally can justify atrocities against anyone who they wish to define as "wicked." | |
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Posted: 12/23/2005 5:15:40 PM | "How many "good" Christians realize that such a verse appears in the Bible?"
As only two verses of the above rhetoric are quoted from the New Testament, perhaps your question should be directed towards Judaism? | |
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Posted: 12/23/2005 5:22:36 PM | You just gotta love the old tent peg thru the noggin skit,...ahhh..ha....high comedy if ever ther was any...
I gues I forgot to add that the stories were also admonition and proscriptions against certain behaviours and activities, complete with what you could expect to happen to you if you did that stuff anyway...
My firm conviction about any religion nowadays is that whatever the reason they were originatesd, they quickly devolve into simple wealth procrument and believer control appratus for the elite that actually run the given faith...
You see and hear about instances of this type of "heart rot" all the time...and those are just the examples that the MSM thinks are titillating enough to garner a few more viewers...sad stuff really...
However that does not take away the weight to my previous statement about the guidance and comfort you can find in religious texts....just remember that there was a human being that wrote those texts down and we are not very "perfect".. We tend to say and do and write down things that will in some manner (we think) positively affect our own lives.... So common sense and grain'o'salt everything and you can find nuggets of chewy goodness.. | |
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jimyg
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Joined: 1/6/2005
Msg: 48 | |
| bible fact or fitcion
Posted: 12/23/2005 5:52:25 PM |
The message you are replying to: Posted By: ruthere490 on 12/22/2005 7  28 AM Subject: bible fact or fitcion Message: jimyg so much knowledge. what is the wisdom that applies to it?
Now, you can go here " http://www.pilgrimpromo.com/WAR/", and find the remains of Sodom and Gomorrah, Arch of Noah on Mt Arrorat, The Chariots under the Red Sea where Moses left them, The mountain where God came down and talked to Moses, the Arch carried in the wilderness by the levite priests, who and how the pyramids were built, and in another place you can find that when Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, that on that same day in South America that Mayan indians recorded in their calendar, that the moon stood still for a day over the Americas.
But this is all man's understanding, some people may go to the web sight and some may even go personally to the museum in Egypt or Memphis Tennisee and view all the proof, and say so it's all true and go away empty, because no one was ever saved by knowledge or understanding or convincing, only by the power of the conviction of the person of Truth the Holy Spirit can a man come to know Jesus!!!
So, the real wisdom of God isn't that scripture was a fact or that all of these people of God existed, but the Love, and power of GOD, and the conviction of the holy spirit!!!
Have a nice convicted day,
Jimmy
Oh, you and speak in tongues               and speak in tongues | |
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| bible fact or fitcion
Posted: 12/23/2005 6:23:34 PM | | so far am at arrafat listening to the locals tell there story. and i said to them ya i think you`r right ,. history is just that his story | |
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| bible fact or fitcion
Posted: 12/23/2005 8:32:46 PM |
Many of the supposedly religious wars were labeled as such by leaders who were masking what it was they were truly looking to get out of it.
And your evidence for this is?
Like the Crusades were started because we were running low on sand. | |
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