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Posted: 12/23/2005 8:37:19 PM |
As only two verses of the above rhetoric are quoted from the New Testament, perhaps your question should be directed towards Judaism?
Same God, so I guess it doesn't much matter if it's Christians or Jews who are asked. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2005 8:39:27 PM | | I agree with Ibli on this one. The Bible is mostly fictional, with some historically accurate accounts and elements. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2005 8:43:02 PM | Feel free to find a better book that defines you and you as well as the Bible does, especially your faults.
Lost Prophet how does one come to know that book over this so called book? I wonder. How can a book that mearly mentions the people in the Bible be something that has been since the creation. How is it the Bible tells you of the coming events as well as the past events that have happened?
Just a few questions for those that doubt the Alpha and the Omega.
For the Bible shows you each side of these.
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Posted: 12/23/2005 9:01:37 PM |
Feel free to find a better book that defines you and you as well as the Bible does, especially your faults.
First, why must a book define who I am? A healthy bit of introspection will do wonders...
Second, I could name a book that would do nicely... The Pauli Sutras.
Better yet: Daodejing.
Having read parts of the Bible, I see common themes of redundancy, inexpicable shifts in writing style, absurd propositions, contradictions, and many attitudes contrary to moral theories today.
Personally, I don't see why the Bible is considered so facinating. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2005 9:34:22 PM |
And your evidence for this is?
The Crusades
These are military expeditions by the Christians of Europe against parts of our Muslim country in order to occupy it and exploit its resources. These wars were named 'Crusades' because every European fighter carried a cross made of red wool on his chest. The most important reasons that pushed those Crusaders to invade our country were as follows:
1. The Europeans' greedy ambition regarding the resources of the Muslims' country.
2. The European princes' desire to establish principalities for themselves in our Muslim region.
3. The Muslims' weakness and disunity.
http://www.edume.org/reports/10/25.htm | |
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Posted: 12/24/2005 2:29:27 AM | | I should have concluded that if people consider the bible (in it entirety) as truth today, they are a backward looking person with no respect for human life other than their nearest and dearest. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2005 8:03:22 AM | "Same God, so I guess it doesn't much matter if it's Christians or Jews who are asked."
Yes, same God, so why not ask for the Jewish perspective on the rhetoric presented of the terrible, violent God of their belief? | |
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Posted: 12/24/2005 9:16:35 AM | OK the problem here is one is using your mind to refute a God that loves you and knows you best.
The Crusades, did you know they are the very works of a group that opposed God?
If you read the Bible it would show you this, and you would not write what you had posted.
Sky man.
The Bible describes man and how their behaviour is. It is the Holy Spirit that allows one to become a better person, resulting us to be acceptable to God for the next Level of Heaven.
Did you catch that, if one can define that, Great! If not there might be a bit more for one to read, for no understanding of how God works and wants will never bring one an understanding of His mighty Love, Peace, and Power.
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Posted: 12/24/2005 9:51:36 AM | | The Crusades were religious wars against Muslims, but also Jews, Pagans, and heretics. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2005 9:52:33 AM |
Yes, same God, so why not ask for the Jewish perspective on the rhetoric presented of the terrible, violent God of their belief?
Well if there are any Jews on this forum I'd be interested in their perspective. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2005 10:20:03 AM | | Jews, like any faith, speak for themselves. History was written by those with an agenda which includes propaganda. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2005 11:23:08 AM | "History was written by those with an agenda which includes propaganda."
Exactly... | |
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Posted: 12/24/2005 1:17:19 PM |
CountIbli on 12/24/2005 9  33 AM Subject: bible fact or fitcion Message: Yes, same God, so why not ask for the Jewish perspective on the rhetoric presented of the terrible, violent God of their belief? Well if there are any Jews on this forum I'd be interested in their perspective.
Yes, I'm a 4th generation "Son of God" Jew, just like the original "Sons of God," the apostles,
In fact my great or great great grandfather sailed up the Columbia with Gray, making him the first Hebrew in Oregon {as far as I know}, NICE
It started with Noah's son that cursed or blasphemed him [for having a drink]. So, in those days there wasn't redemption for sin yet, and if Noah had let the curse land on him, then his decedents would be cursed, and so the Israelites being the chosen race to carry the seed of redemption, Jesus, they couldn't be contaminated with a cursed nation or Jesus would be born with a curse on him, and not free of sin (and you and I would have no chance of redemption). Their decedents became the Canaanites and Noah put the curse back on them, and they settled in the Holy Land, and were also known as Tyrinians, or Phoenicians. They were cursed and had to be eliminated, the Hebrews couldn't mix with them, not then, or later. So we have Joshua chasing the Canaanites of the Holy Land and eliminating them, except for the few that escaped across Africa to Scotland were they were know as pics (they painted themselves with pictures), some escaped across the land bridge into America, and are known as Indians [a few Indians have other origins]. Most of the Phoenicians, beings sailors took ships to America to escape Joshua who they called Hew the Mighty.
So we see that the Old Testament Judgment was, in many cases, essential to keep free of curses and most of all so we can have a Messiah, without sin and we can have a hope of salvation, First to the Jews and then to the gentiles.
Have a nice free choice day,
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Posted: 12/24/2005 1:52:01 PM | | Thanks for the unique Jewish perspective Jimmy and have a nice, free choice, holiday season! | |
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Posted: 12/24/2005 4:09:35 PM | Jimmeeeeeeee
James 3:5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
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Posted: 12/24/2005 4:18:05 PM | | Let me rephrase: I'd like to hear the perspective of a person who follows the Jewish religion. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2005 7:00:35 PM |
CountIbli on 12/24/2005 4  05 PM Subject: bible fact or fitcion Message: Let me rephrase: I'd like to hear the perspective of a person who follows the Jewish religion.
I do follow the Jewish religion I celebrate Passover, Pentecost, Trumpets, Tabernackles, etc...
I have found the Messiah, Jesus, that all practicing Jews say they are looking for, and actually as the priests had to prove their linnage back 10 generation on their fathers side and only 5 on the mothers side, and the father were Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, and I can trace my ancestry back on my fathers side, and most Jews have mistakenly traced their ancestry back on their mothers side. I can speak words like cohen, and Ruhah Ha Codesh which is Holy Spirit which you know you have if you speak in tongues
Have a nice non judgmental day,
Jimmy | |
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Posted: 12/24/2005 7:10:25 PM | | i was a pharisee of the first rank , chief among sinners when God`s only desire is to have you worship Him. Bonehead | |
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Posted: 12/24/2005 7:21:02 PM | Jimmy, since you believe that Jesus was the Messiah, how are your views non-Christian?
In fact I find it rather strange that your profile says that you're non-religious. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2005 7:21:45 PM | I will try to make this as elementary as possible for the masses to understand and fathom its concept. The Bible is the Teachings of God, past, present and future. One day is as one thousand years to God our Father as cited in the New Teatament. Jesus Christ has been gone for only two days. It is the beginning of the "Third Day". The emminent return of Jesus Christ is forthcoming as prophecied. The worlds calendar is set up accordingly to Scripture. There is none in the world who can communicate outside of this knowledge of time. Therefore, since the world recognizes (unknowingly of-course) that it pays homeage to Jesus Christ, The Word of God, through giving reverence to God daily by acknowledging the date that is placed in front of them, would it not stand to reason that the Scriptures are factual and not fiction. If anyone claims The Word to be fiction, then change the date and time and stop paying homage to God daily. When this does occur, then another Bible Prophecy shall be fulfilled, only to grant more authenticity to its Author, The Word of God.
This knowledge is available to all Christians alike, open your hearts and minds and be prepared. It is time to awake my fellow brethern, come forth and be counted amoung the "Chosen Ellect".
Xelsorsior, Evangelist Michael | |
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Posted: 12/24/2005 7:59:39 PM |
CountIbli on 12/24/2005 7  02 PM Subject: bible fact or fitcion Message: Jimmy, since you believe that Jesus was the Messiah, how are your views non-Christian? In fact I find it rather strange that your profile says that you're non-religious.
It is simple: 2 Cor 3:5-7
sufficiency is from God,6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the religion, but the Spirit gives life.
Jimmy's interpretation.
I celebrate the feasts in relationship to Jesus not the old religious rituals: Passover The blood of Jesus cover the door posts of our mind, eyes, mouth, ect...;
Pentecost not the tablets of stone Moses brought down, but the Holy Spirit at the real Pentecost wrote the law on our hearts, thus the law of life vs the old law of sin and death;
Trupets when the nation became fearful of the sound of Jesus voice and was to become a nation of priests and kings, but became to fearful that they gave it up and Moses assumed the honnor, now He, Jesus is calling again with a voice like a shofar, and who will answer;
Tabernackles where the people of God dwelt in temparary shelters, like unto our bodies, that will become a sinless dwelling for the Holy Spirit and a new body, a tabernackle that is sinless!
Have a nice non-religious day,
Jimmy and speak in tongues
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Posted: 12/24/2005 8:04:42 PM | sorry,
That's:It is simple: 2 Cor 3:5-7
sufficiency is from God,6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the religion kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Jimmy's interpretation.
You see we are called to follow the Spirit not religion, religious people killed Jesus:
John 3:5-8
"Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
NKJV
That wind and being born of the Spirit is exemplified in speaking in tongues as the Spirit of God gives utterence: yes, speak in tongues
Have a nice Spirit led day,
Jimmy | |
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Posted: 12/24/2005 8:51:08 PM | excelsorsior,
in thailand, it is the year 2548. it is based on the birth of buddha. they get along quite nicely. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2005 10:03:51 PM | | If I remember rightly the Iranians had their own calender as well. Jimmy lives in the eternal then..speaks in tongues and types in gibberish.... | |
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Posted: 12/25/2005 5:58:25 AM | "Jimmy lives in the eternal then..speaks in tongues and types in gibberish...."
heh,he,he,he,heh..... It happens.... it happens to me a lot.... but you are right in your assessment...
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