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Posted: 12/25/2005 9:32:23 AM | You do error in your assessment of the Thailand Nation using the Buddist Calendar, they use the worlds calendar.
This is a copy of todays National Newspaper in Thailand.
Notice todays date is their todays date as well.
You made a good effort to criticise and refute factual events in time. But why try to deceive the masses with your incorrect knowledge of how Thailand relates to the rest of the world and to itself for that matter?
Many religions have their own calendars, including The Holy Scriptures.
The point of my post was to show that the world as a whole has the same calndar for comminication and it is based on the death of Jesus Christ. There is no dispute to this fact, so why try make one when there isn't one.
Sun, December 25, 2005
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Posted: 12/25/2005 1:44:53 PM | wild fire fly think about this ( Oh by the way I am agnostic )
If you consider what was written in the bible consider it like this..... God is a typo for Good and the devil is a typo for "the evil"
It all just translates to a book written to control people just as the bill of rights and everything written today in the "age of literacy" that is written to control society , We all know what is societally expected by knowing the laws . This is what the bible was ... It was a book written to " Lay down the laws "
If you think about the fact that just only 100 years ago the majority " Yes the Majority of people were still just no more than illiterate farmers and cowboys . ( there is nothing wrong with that since they are the people who fed america and built this continent .)
Obviously today we can read the bible and tear it apart for the fallicy that it is since we now have the intellect to know it ,
Genesis could not be possible to document ince noone was there . so let's just negate anything from the time of adam and eve ,
Jesus was supposedly a carpenter who had some type of power to heal and was killed by people who were afraid of his ideals . Doesn't this happen everyday ? This back in the day of simplicity would stand to reason but why would this be something that stayed in folklore till this day ?
Just another tragic experience if in fact it happened but so what ? ( It's a fairy tale )
When we make up stories we embellish to make it more dramatic don't we ? The grave vine changes from stem to stem ..................
If you think about what I said about the farmers back at the turn of the century now take that back 2000 years and try to imagine the level of intelligence that existed .
people were told what they were told and they were told simple fairy tales to scare them into submission , They believed it and they carried this legacy in print to this day through use of the bible , I could easily point out every part of the bible that just makes no sense in a realistic world but what would be the point I'd be hear all day . Moses ( parting seas ) noah ( defining evolution ) so on and so on ..........
Peace and I hope everyone got a nice gift on this day that is supposed to be a " Religious Holiday " | |
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Posted: 12/25/2005 2:09:46 PM | if Thailand is so great then why are they selling children into the sex trade at an alerming rate. children as young as 4-5-6 kept in little cells till the next tourist bus arrives, it`s one of the major importers of stolen children and it is going to burn in hell.
I didn`t really read your post cause I think your attitude sucks , but that is very close to my heart, | |
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Posted: 12/25/2005 2:33:21 PM | You're right, in commerce, they use our calendar, just as they also use the English language. But, ask a Thai national which year it is, and they will tell you 2548.
And ruthere, I don't know what the calendar has to do with the sex trade, but it wouldn't be hard to find some things that might send the US to hell, as well. | |
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Posted: 12/25/2005 2:53:50 PM | excelsorsior,
if you want proof, check out:
thaipost.net/
naewna.com/
komchadluek.net/
these are thai newspapers in the thai language. check out the date. this is what they use in their daily lives. you'll also find this true in vietnam, laos, china, cambodia, korea, and many other countries. | |
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Posted: 12/25/2005 3:19:09 PM | maybe he can tell us in whatever lanquage why he would only talk when the orthodox came in and is now why the mumbo jumbo has nothing to do with the original topic and I will forever hold my peace.
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Posted: 12/25/2005 3:35:18 PM | tjrogelio
Very good points and good research, I will stand corrected that other calandars are used, I did not assume that others were not used, just the point of the world in general uses the same calandar for global communication based on Jesus Christ. I need not go further in this. But I thank you for your input and well rounded vision of things. You must be a great asset to those around you. Take care and Merry Christmas to you and to yours if you so believe in this.
Xelsorsior, Evangelist Michael | |
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Posted: 12/25/2005 3:37:02 PM | | sorry, ruthere....we did get off track. i was only trying to point out that there are people using others calendars in their daily lives than the one based on the birth of christ. | |
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Posted: 12/25/2005 4:00:20 PM | | I was just jealous cause I couldn`t understand it. Thanx tjroelio | |
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Posted: 12/25/2005 4:02:24 PM | | merry christmas to both of you!!!...and to all for that matter! | |
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Posted: 12/25/2005 4:28:31 PM | It has been reported for about 50 years that the Bible has been the largest seller of all books published in the history of the world.
The Bible was written by about 40 men in about 1600 years dating from 1500 B.C. to about 100 A.D. These men wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit (2 Pet. 1:21). They wrote not in words of human wisdom but in words taught by the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 2:13).
The Bible is God’s Word. But some of the interpretations derived from it are not. There are many cults and Christian groups that use the Bible claiming their interpretations are correct. Too often, however, the interpretations not only differ dramatically but are clearly contradictory. This does not mean that the Bible is a confusing document. Rather, the problem lies in those who interpret and the methods they use.
Because we are sinners, we are incapable of interpreting God’s word perfectly all of the time. The body, mind, will, and emotions are affected by sin and make 100% interpretive accuracy impossible. This does not mean that accurate understanding of God’s Word is impossible. But it does mean that we need to approach His word with care, humility, and reason. Additionally, we need, as best as can be had, the guidance of the Holy Spirit in interpreting God’s Word. After all, the Bible is inspired by God and is addressed to His people. The Holy Spirit helps us to understand what God’s word means and how to apply it.
On the human level, to lessen the errors that come in our interpretations, we need to look at some basic biblical interpretive methods.
When one reads the Bible, one should pray. Read His word. Look into the scriptures as best you can with as much understanding and skill as is possible. Be humble in your approach and test everything by the Bible.
Now How?
The Bible has fulfilled prophecies--with more fulfillments to come. The Bible has never been wrong in the past, and it won't be wrong in the future. It claims inspiration from God (2 Tim. 3:16). Since God is the creator of all things (Isaiah 44:24), then He is also the creator of time. It is under His control. Only God, then, would always be right about what is in the future, our future.
Fulfilled prophecy is strong evidence that God is the author of the Bible because when you look at the mathematical odds of prophecy being fulfilled, you quickly see a design, a purpose, and a guiding hand behind the Bible. If just one prophecy failed, then we would know that God is not the true God, because the creator of all things, which includes time, would not be wrong about predicting the future.
Deut 18.21-22 says, And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Isaiah 46:9-10 says, Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure
If you will tell me what this passage describes.....
O go not far from me then, for trouble is hard at hand, and here is none to help me. Great bulls are come about me, fat oxen close me in on every side. They gape upon me with their mouths, as it were a rampaging and roaring lion. I am poured out like water, all my bones are out of joint: my heart in the middest of my body is even like melting wax. My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue cleaveth to my gums, and thou hast brought me into the dust of death. For dogs are come about me, the counsel of the wicked hath laid siege against me. They pierced my hands and my feet, I might have told all my bones: as for them, they stood staring and looking upon me. They have parted my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. But be not thou far from me, O LORD: thou art my succour, haste thee to help me. Deliver my soul from the sword, my dearling from the power of the dog. Save me from the lion's mouth, and hear me from among the horns of the unicorns.
Or take your own Bible and read Psalm 22.12-18
Now tell me what is this about??
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Posted: 12/25/2005 5:04:33 PM | | You need faith to believe but you need to believe that faith is the primer for the paint. I am not sold. You say, "The Bible is God’s Word. But some of the interpretations derived from it are not." I say if the Bible were God's word He wouldn't allow it to be misinterpreted... the objectives for its supposed text were not just to be believed, and to have faith in God's Kingdom, but also that it would not be desecrated. Misinterpretations aside, if it is God's word then I have no faith in man's hand on it and even less if Satan is the supposed 'Ruler of the Earth'. | |
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Posted: 12/25/2005 5:10:43 PM | | This is too funny ............? You people actually believe this stuff ?? Wow !! Earth to everyone !!!! I guess I thought I would stop in here to see what was what and I walked into the friggin twilight zone . Gotta take a run to Belleview and get the net . be right back ....... | |
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Posted: 12/25/2005 5:16:55 PM | Please answer this.....
Now tell me what is this about?
O go not far from me then, for trouble is hard at hand, and here is none to help me. Great bulls are come about me, fat oxen close me in on every side. They gape upon me with their mouths, as it were a rampaging and roaring lion. I am poured out like water, all my bones are out of joint: my heart in the middest of my body is even like melting wax. My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue cleaveth to my gums, and thou hast brought me into the dust of death. For dogs are come about me, the counsel of the wicked hath laid siege against me. They pierced my hands and my feet, I might have told all my bones: as for them, they stood staring and looking upon me. They have parted my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. But be not thou far from me, O LORD: thou art my succour, haste thee to help me. Deliver my soul from the sword, my dearling from the power of the dog. Save me from the lion's mouth, and hear me from among the horns of the unicorns.
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Posted: 12/25/2005 5:28:28 PM | | mery christmas to both of you!!!... and all that matters......dito | |
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Posted: 12/25/2005 9:09:03 PM | Very interesting point of view, one which many others have as well.
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night! | |
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Posted: 12/25/2005 9:22:10 PM | | people who want to have friends should show themselves to be friendly quote from the bible | |
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Posted: 12/25/2005 9:32:39 PM | | I don`t believe it . you cracked a smile. unfortunately I`m as rude crude and socially unacceptable as you are .. merry christmas and have a good nite | |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 5:55:42 AM | "Obviously today we can read the bible and tear it apart for the fallicy that it is since we now have the intellect to know it , "
lol ... sorry dude.... mankinds wisdom is regressing not progressing | |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 11:40:18 PM |
Please answer this.....
Now tell me what is this about?
O go not far from me then, for trouble is hard at hand, and here is none to help me. Great bulls are come about me, fat oxen close me in on every side. They gape upon me with their mouths, as it were a rampaging and roaring lion. I am poured out like water, all my bones are out of joint: my heart in the middest of my body is even like melting wax. My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue cleaveth to my gums, and thou hast brought me into the dust of death. For dogs are come about me, the counsel of the wicked hath laid siege against me. They pierced my hands and my feet, I might have told all my bones: as for them, they stood staring and looking upon me. They have parted my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. But be not thou far from me, O LORD: thou art my succour, haste thee to help me. Deliver my soul from the sword, my dearling from the power of the dog. Save me from the lion's mouth, and hear me from among the horns of the unicorns.
I believe this may be parts of Psalm,
when Jesus was on the cross, since they didn't have numbered pages and psalms, they simply quoted the first line of a psalm and then every Hebrew hearing it would simply go through the entire psalm in his mind. So, when Jesus was on the cross he simply said the first words of psalm 22 and everyone in hearing distance would instantly know that this psalm was instantly in their presence being fulfilled before their eyes, and they were part of it and couldn't do anything about it.
have a nice day,
is this the last thing you wrote?
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Posted: 12/26/2005 11:50:34 PM | | what happened to all the giggling tongues?????????????????? | |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 5:09:37 AM | Everyome knows the most "beleiveable" of stories are those that dont make up unfamiliar places (that can be checked out later) and they dont contain references to historical figures that really did not exist...
If you want someone to take as "fact" the tale you are telling,...for whatever reason...you mingle a little truth in with the stew of fabrications...
The Bible is a stunning work of fiction and not written by one man to be sure....one might ask well then..who did and why?? And again history does provide the answers as to where the stories come from ( all over) and when (pretty much as far back as us).. but that does not make it Gods Word...
What it does make it is the most intensively promoted work of fiction Ever...
That is the reason the stories are compiled together in the first place...because of the popularity of each.... Someone says,"I heard this story....yada..yada"" and viola' it gets written down by a guy that knew how to write..
It is Fiction...every bit of it...
All of the attack dog mentality "true faith holders " here who tell me they "pity" me, or they are ,"sorry for" me, please,...dont bother...your sentiment is misplaced...you need to "open " you minds and start researching history...Im not saying researching history from a "Christian" viewpoint, I am saying (if you can ,which I doubt) research from a purely "objective" viewpoint...
Dont bother with calling the wrath of God on me, dont bother with righteous indignation...do your homework,...do it with a similar level of personal drive you employed when being indoctrinated in your religion...read it all...look at everyons findings, not just those from the "acceptable" sources...you mostly strike me as smarter people than me, I was able to do this, you should be too....
But what has to matter here is whether or not a falsehood,...even a small one is okay to you to use ans refer to when talking about GOD...
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Posted: 12/27/2005 8:57:52 AM | Considering all these have been fulfilled, how can anyone say the some mere human could have done these?
Jimyg Thank you, That was a Psalm and it was written by David nearly a thousand years prior to Christ's coming.
If one actually takes a look at Matt 27.23-43, Mark 15.24, Luke 23.35-34, John 19.24, Heb 2.12 . I will say this closely resembles what is written in Matt. by David 1000 years before Christ. Luke 23:35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God. This is especially significant when you take into account that these verses were written around 800 years before the first crucifixion! The crucifixion is one of the most well documented events in history. If anyone professes, to the world, that they teach the truth and deny this one fact, can anything else they say be regarded as factual and truthful? That Jesus would be crucified was prophesied by David. "For dogs have surrounded Me; the congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me. They pierced My hands and My feet.". The soldiers of course were not aware of the fulfilment of prophecy and types. They gambled for His robe because they did not wish to tear the robe Exodus 28:31-32 . We see here an allusion to Christ as the anti type, the fulfilment, of the High Priesthood. Crucifixion was a slow and torturous form of execution, the victim suffering extreme dehydration. It is natural that Jesus' body would feel the torment of His execution. "My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and My tongue clings to My jaws; you have brought Me to the dust of death." crucifixion was a notoriously slow and sadistic form of execution. Death did not normally occur as a result of blood loss or trauma, but by suffocation. The crucified would eventually become so weak that he was no longer able to push himself up to exhale, and would then suffocate. Death might take as long as nine days. Breaking the legs would prevent their pushing themselves up to breathe, and would therefore hasten their death. Second, the Romans normally left the bodies on the cross indefinitely, letting them rot, as a warning to other would be offenders. At the time of Christ Golgotha was infamous for the crosses dotting its crest. Third, during various festivals the Romans would occasionally allow the bodies to be taken down and given to relatives for burial. Finally, the Jews were acting in strict accordance to the law. "If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, "his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God." Deuteronomy 21:22-23
Fulfilment of Prophecy
Perhaps more than any of the other evangelists, John shows how completely the crucifixion, death, and burial of Jesus fulfilled prophecies made hundreds of years prior, and some over a thousand years prior, to the events themselves. Jesus is clearly portrayed as the fulfilment of or anti type to both the Passover lamb and the High Priest. The scriptures quoted in this study are but a few of those that had foretold the manner in which Jesus would be crucified, how He would die, and how He would be buried. Very convicting, and convincing, I'm sure, to a first century Jew. The best summarizations, and the most convincing proofs, come from the complete texts of two particular chapters of scripture, written by two different authors who lived several hundred years apart. "Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected by men, a Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; he was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth; he was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so He opened not His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgement, and who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgressions of My people He was stricken. And they made His grave with the wicked-- but with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; he has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, he shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand. He shall see the labour of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities. Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong, because He poured out His soul unto death, and He was numbered with the transgressors, and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." Isaiah 53:1-12
"My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? Why are You so far from helping Me, and from the words of My groaning? O My God, I cry in the daytime, but You do not hear; and in the night season, and am not silent. But You are holy, enthroned in the praises of Israel. Our fathers trusted in You; they trusted, and You delivered them. They cried to You, and were delivered; they trusted in You, and were not ashamed. But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people. All those who see Me ridicule Me; they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, "He trusted in the LORD, let Him rescue Him; let Him deliver Him, since He delights in Him!" But You are He who took Me out of the womb; you made Me trust while on My mother's breasts. I was cast upon You from birth. From My mother's womb you have been My God. Be not far from Me, for trouble is near; for there is none to help. Many bulls have surrounded Me; strong bulls of Bashan have encircled Me. They gape at Me with their mouths, like a raging and roaring lion. I am poured out like water, and all My bones are out of joint; my heart is like wax; it has melted within Me. My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and My tongue clings to My jaws; you have brought Me to the dust of death. For dogs have surrounded Me; the congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me. They pierced My hands and My feet; I can count all My bones. They look and stare at Me. They divide My garments among them, and for My clothing they cast lots. But You, O LORD, do not be far from Me; O My Strength, hasten to help Me! Deliver Me from the sword, my precious life from the power of the dog. Save Me from the lion's mouth and from the horns of the wild oxen! You have answered Me. I will declare Your name to My brethren; in the midst of the assembly I will praise You. You who fear the LORD, praise Him! All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him, and fear Him, all you offspring of Israel! For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; nor has He hidden His face from Him; but when He cried to Him, He heard. My praise shall be of You in the great assembly; I will pay My vows before those who fear Him. The poor shall eat and be satisfied; those who seek Him will praise the LORD. Let your heart live forever! All the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations shall worship before You. For the kingdom is the LORD'S, and He rules over the nations. All the prosperous of the earth shall eat and worship; all those who go down to the dust shall bow before Him, even he who cannot keep himself alive. A posterity shall serve Him. It will be recounted of the Lord to the next generation, They will come and declare His righteousness to a people who will be born, that He has done this." Psalm 22:1-31
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Posted: 12/27/2005 9:09:01 AM | holy moly you rolled my eyes.
I was just wondering Dei Gratia, if you had gotten my message about the Benzaltine Fire? I have tried to find the book from the Cruasader era that I think it was in . I had given it to my grandson and he`s quite reliable with books. May be forthcoming. | |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 1:26:45 PM | | Of course someone might point out that Isaiah was talking about Israel in that passage. | |
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