Le Roi
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Msg: 126 | |
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Posted: 1/2/2006 7:38:51 PM | The Bible isn't just fact is is a number of love letters from home from Abba - Daddy (i.e. Our Father who art in Heaven...)
From Genesis to Revelation the Bible is God's word. | |
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Posted: 1/2/2006 7:43:22 PM | | I was spiritualy dead and Jesus brought me back to life. Thats evidence. | |
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rhusbr
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Joined: 10/30/2005
Msg: 128 | |
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Posted: 1/2/2006 11:10:03 PM |
Pass, I have not read this stuff in years, and I might have the wrong reference on the Christian mythology, but I'll move to another point, since you won't answer the the main issue I rasied. Show us a historical, non-christian contemporary cooberating evidence of the life and times of Christ. That would make it a slam dunk for all of us. I would think rising from the dead, etc. would have attracted some attention from the Roman empire or surrounding societal historians of the time. You only have Christian documents written, perhaps made up, after the fact, or as I've said, embellished. Where's the beef?
You need to read other scholorarly documents which refer to the bible has historal fact. You willl also get an insite as to and why the old testament. You are also attempting to muddle or destroy the connection between old and new testament? my question to you, do you believe in Jesus Christ? | |
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Posted: 1/2/2006 11:23:28 PM | | It's well known that the Bible is riddled with historical errors. There was no Hebrew exodus from Egypt. There was no Hebrew invasion of Canaan. Jericho fell centuries before Joshua was born. There weren't 12 tribes of Israel. There was no united monarchy under David. David, if he existed at all, was a tribal chieftan of a backwater village. Solomon probably never existed. Abraham and Moses never existed. There was no global flood. The list goes on. | |
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Posted: 1/2/2006 11:30:23 PM | | Ray, how do we know that you were spiritually dead then and that you are spiritually alive now? | |
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Posted: 1/2/2006 11:44:03 PM |
It's well known that the Bible is riddled with historical errors. for one to state the bible has historical errors the bible is thus historical.
Ray, how do we know that you were spiritually dead then and that you are spiritually alive now?
it is not ray's responsibility to prove anything to anyone. the proof is within you, believe in something and the proof is there. believe in death is the end and so be it for you. believe in the body and it spirit and you will not fear death. | |
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Le Roi
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Joined: 11/19/2005
Msg: 133 | |
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Posted: 1/2/2006 11:49:38 PM | I repeat, where's the beef?
Well, if you want "beef" go to your nearest MacDonald's, A & W, Burger King, or Wendy's  | |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 2:12:39 AM | | The bible is not one thing and that is the problem. In the main it is false but contains great truths. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 2:32:37 AM | Read the Chapter of Revelation and look at todays disasters and world calamities...then you will see how false it really is. What is taking place is Revelations is what is taking place now. It is fine if you wish not to believe but if you do not you will wish you did when the skies open and Christ comes down from heaven to take his throne in Jerusalem, When he makes Satan bow down to him and call him Lord, and most importantly...when all of the men in the world dead and alive come to be judged for their purity of following him or their lustful ways of following sin. The three options are going to heaven for hanging in there, staying on earth and recieve another chance, or going to hell for your ignorance and rebellion against God. It is your choice and no one can change it for you. The way of the Christian is to warn, not to force...so I wish good luck to you all...for the time is near for him to return. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 2:43:58 AM | To countibli
I was spritualy dead because I turned my back on him. I am spiritualy alive because I have accepted him. I speak the truth and that is my evidence. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 3:54:13 AM | | the bible, new testament, is the Word of Jesus Christ, it is one, it is the sum of all it parts. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 4:08:15 AM | | "The Bible is a GREAT STORY" made by man. There are alot of great stories out there that are fiction. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 6:34:10 PM |
for one to state the bible has historical errors the bible is thus historical.
I have no idea what that means.
it is not ray's responsibility to prove anything to anyone.
It is when he claims something as evidence. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 6:36:49 PM |
I was spritualy dead because I turned my back on him. I am spiritualy alive because I have accepted him. I speak the truth and that is my evidence.
I could say the same thing about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but would that convince you it exists? | |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 6:42:57 PM |
What is taking place is Revelations is what is taking place now.
Really? The first manifestation of the apocalypse is a guy on a white horse, wearing a crown, and armed with a bow going out an conquering. I haven't seen this guy around, have you?
A bit later on when the 4th seal is opened 1/4 of the world is going to die by the sword, hunger, death (whatever that means), and the beasts of the Earth. Did I miss a billion people suddenly dying? | |
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rhusbr
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Joined: 10/30/2005
Msg: 142 | |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 6:48:28 PM | quote: Well, if you want "beef" go to your nearest MacDonald's, A & W, Burger King, or Wendy's
Comment: Well that is at least something we can get our teeth into | |
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Posted: 1/4/2006 8:20:31 PM | for one to state the bible has historical errors the bible is thus historical.
I have no idea what that means. it is a simple logical deduction
it is not ray's responsibility to prove anything to anyone.
It is when he claims something as evidence. ray is only responsible to himself and no other, even if he talks aloud in this thread. it is merely his opinion
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Posted: 1/4/2006 9:31:54 PM | | What do you mean by the Bible being historical? That's it's old? I already knew that. | |
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Posted: 1/4/2006 9:42:21 PM | countibli, bible or not, everything is old and historical once all moments pass.
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Posted: 1/5/2006 12:51:43 AM | The Bible isn't even the original. It is missing many books of Sanskrit and many Catholic kings altered to oppress a people whose ignorance consumes them even today. Take it as an Aesop's fable and find truth within, not from what mommy and daddy taught you, because 'Lord" knows how many 'holy', 'spiritually sound', and 'intelligent believers' there are out there, and more then likely, you don't even know half of the history of what you believe.
Countibli, for the defense of the people who do look to the bible as a forecast of the future, you cannot take it in the literal sense. It is more a giant metaphor for "listen, follow and believe, or feel the wrath later." | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 12:53:38 AM | Assalamu alaikum. Bismillah al-Rahman, al-Rahim (Peace be upon you. In the Name of Allah the Beneficient, the Merciful).
Wildfirefly, I am a practicing Sunni Muslim and, as a Muslim, I have a true belief in all Revealed texts. There is no doubt that the the Bible is real because the Bible is what God revealed to man through His Prophets (Peace Be Upon Them).
Having said that, you make a very good point (although rather vague) when you speak about all of the translations that have been done and all the cultural baggage that has been attached to the content and context of the original words. Do not let that fool you though because the intent of God in giving it to you has never changed, nor will it.
God gave you the words of the Bible to be exactly what you almost called it. You said
...make it a way to live by... and in reality the Bible is indeed a sort of "owner's manual" for human beings.
When you have a problem with your car, you would be wise to consult your owner's manual to see if you can correct it before you go to a mechanic abnd trust him with your property. The same applies to your washing machine, computer, television, can opener, etc. You wre always better off doing some trouble shooting before you turn over your belongings to others for correction and/or fixing. Mankind would be wise to consult the Bible to fix what's wrong with all aspects of his society from is running amok children to his addictions to his lawlessness to his crooked politicians to his thieveing businessmen, etc., etc., etc. Mankind should indeed use the Holy Texts as their road map for living; a way to live by.
Look, The One True God, gave all peoples on this palnet True Guidance over the eons by revealing His Divine Way to them through Prophets (P.B.U.T.) from among them for them. There were Prophets (P.B.U.T.) amongst mankind since his creation. Adam (the first man) walked and talked with God and was the first Prophet (P.B.U.H.) because he was the first to teach anyone the Way of God as revealed to him by God.
From the beginning, God has given His Guidance through spoken and/or written words to all peoples in all tounges. The Bible is the record of the message as it was given to the folks who later became known as the People of Israel and Judah (those whose history is contained in the Old Testament) and the Gentiles (all of the folks living in the known world other than the People of Israel and Judah during the and after the time of the Prophet Isa (Jesus - P.B.U.H.) who are addressed in the New Testament). The last Prophet was Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) to whom the Divine Guidance was revealed to first be imparted to the Arabs and then to the rest of the world as the Final Revalation (al-Islam) in the Qur'an.
My point is that all of what is in the Bible is good for you to know and what is given as warnings (prophesies) is best for you to know and what is given as guidance is best for you to follow. I would hate for you to be one of those folks who say, "This is all rubbish! I don't need any of it because there ain't no God and no Judgement no way." They will truly be among the sorrowful on that Great Day.
I hope you (or somebody else in this forum) read this and answer it. There is much more to be said on the issue, but I think that it is better presented as a discussion among us rather than as a "sermon" from me to you. Please send me a note when you respond so I will know to come back and read what you have to say....mkombozi@myway.com.
I leave you the same way I approached you, in Peace.
Ma salaam (Be in Peace),
Sairi Mkombozi | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 7:57:38 AM | | Sairi~ I truly took to heart what you have stated. I am a scientific person. I believe in God I also believe the bible to be a great book. I do however struggle with the facts. Knowing in my heart and with my faith I know what has been writen is with good morals for living life. That I don't disagree with. However I have heard and come across many folks that take it to context, read it word for word and live there life this way. I believe it should be read and studied to find the moral of each story. I say to you as a believer in all text; have you ever felt the need to know correct facts to back up what you've read? That is where my problem sits. The translations were wrong and if so they could be saying something we as people aren't hearing. That bugs me. I also want evidence not of God himself but of some of the basic historical statements in the bible. I will accept it, but I still will question. As I go forward in my serch of finding myself I keep in heart what you have said. Gods Peace | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 8:15:25 AM | Hi Wildfirefly,
I completely agree with everything you say. Sometimes my views are a bit more assertive because others don't want to appreciate where I'm coming from and that is the thing that bugs me most. The fact is a Creator would want the truth to be known to everyone, not just a select few. Thus the road must be as wide as possible not narrow - that strikes me somewhat mean and nasty. It creates anguish for those who truly want to be accepted. There cannot be anything moral about a God who would deny man's understanding of the scriptures. This is why I too believe that the translations have been purposely mistranslated. What it has achieved is murder and slander on a global scale for thousands of years. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 9:04:03 AM | | skypoetone~ It can be so frustrating to me as a believer in a greater God that the bible be translated the way it was with error s. I often wonder what are we missing out on I feel sometimes that it makes people feel guilty for things they shouldn't. It sets an Ideal that people have taken to an extreem and by this it actually hurts there life. Always trying to find a way to please God. Try pleaseing yourself and use good morals.'do unto others as wish done unto you' If you do screw up oh well forgive yourself. God will lead by grace not guilt. The bible has made my sister into a self aborbed trying to better for God person. Instead of trying to better for herself and for the world around her. It all really just makes me wonder so much! | |
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