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Posted: 1/8/2006 4:59:10 AM | Waaaiit a second...
*Sigh*....ooook Feral, one more time...
AFTER you shuffle the trick (magic??) deck of cards again, THEN you take note during it where the edge card will be....k?
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Posted: 1/8/2006 5:10:31 AM | As for turning lead into gold, no chance!
I ve learnt something but I still don't think a magician could do it or ever has.Yes it is a metaphor as is turning water into wine.My definition was not an attack on pagans or magicians but I do think there are some very dark people who operate in the field of the occult & probably many more good people.I will stand by my point about 100% belief as I do think if a person truly believes, they can make a thing happen & that maybe the essence of magic possably more so than ritual or spells.
Part of being human is that we enjoy a sense of belonging & we also look to others for answers & knowledge.This basic human need has been exploited throughout history on a large & small scale.I am not against magic or the occult but I do think there is an area which lies between psychology & the occult which contains many shades of grey | |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 6:41:21 PM | CR,  I love you, man!
I will stand by my point about 100% belief as I do think if a person truly believes, they can make a thing happen & that maybe the essence of magic possably more so than ritual or spells.
Fair enough, Yorkist. I disagree, seeing it more as a synthesis of elements that allow for such focus, but that's neither here nor there.
I am not against magic or the occult but I do think there is an area which lies between psychology & the occult which contains many shades of grey
I don't disagree, by any means. One thing I'll note, is that many people look at things from a black and white perspective, others blend them into shades of grey. That's fair, but I prefer to see in colour. So much more vivid that way, don't you think? | |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 6:59:03 PM |
but I do think there are some very dark people who operate in the field of the occult & probably many more good people.
There are dark people that work in every religion, not just Paganism.
There will always be those people that use whatever excuse they can to decieve and hurt people, it is not limited to Paganism. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 8:01:43 PM | CR, I love you, man!
Next time on "CR's Magical Show", we will discuss the 'perfect circle' dilema of the time honoured 'Etch-A-Sketch' device.
There are dark people that work in every religion, not just Paganism.
"Luke, 'I' am your Father.."
Seriously though, so true SFL, The Cathoilc church has had more scandals against it and exposes counting more than the sands on some beaches...
And while not in the same amount, far too many TV Evangeslists have used 'trickery' (magic?) to lure the masses as well... | |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 8:05:35 PM |
And while not in the same amount, far too many TV Evangeslists have used 'trickery' (magic?) to lure the masses as well...
Interesting parallel one might draw there with Yorkist's "psychology-inspired cults." (Bad paraphrase, but it works) | |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 8:10:56 PM | yes indeed Feral, and as many no doubt see, 'some' of the scam artists TV guys, 'call upon' "The Holy Spirit" to do 'their' bidding, when really, we are taught in scripture that we ask for God's Will to be done, in HIS time, not ours?
From observation, one could conclude that the TV guys almost are 'conjuring up' the Holy Spirit like it was more of a 'Magical Genie' of sorts... | |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 8:40:51 PM |
From observation, one could conclude that the TV guys almost are 'conjuring up' the Holy Spirit like it was more of a 'Magical Genie' of sorts...
The only difficulty I have with this is that it is not a magical ritual, but an act to prey upon the credulity of the watchers. There's a bit more to do with conjuring there than I think most folks are aware. | |
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longte
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Posted: 1/8/2006 8:46:37 PM | This sort of drops in here nicely at this point
I wrote it for my thread, so please excuse the first line
I know religion has its place in this one
Religious verse once more, ooozing in this special place
While most of you know, religion has no saving grace
Built by man on Gods words, corrupted as it grew
What would Jesus Christ think, if he ever knew
He left us a basis, of a way to live our lives
Man saw here a profit, and so religion thrives
Churches built in opulence, in a starving nation
Then ask the poor for more, to gain their salvation
Built simply as a power base, 'You must Save Your Soul
Without THIS religion, you never will be whole"
"You must buy this book, for $10.99
Don't worry about starving. You really will be fine"
Richest business anywhere, corruption at its core
Looking down, could any God, be pleased with what he saw
To cover up paedophilia, now done by many churches
Spout pretentious drivel, from up there on their perches
Jesus Christ taught love, religions teach us hate
You must be of this sect, or else its all too late
Jewish, Christian, Muslim, all have the same true God
Yet if they are together, they carve his name in blood
Buddhists are the closest, to bringing peace to Earth
Yet even their fanatics, don't follow all the words
So many die In Gods Name, that Christ must surely cry
Heaven must be very empty; above are reasons why
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Beliefs are truly wonderful things
Organised Religion has a lot to answer for
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Posted: 1/9/2006 8:36:39 PM | I think that most beginers in magick fall prey to the idea that the magician tries to change the world to some degree through spell work. Most magicians worth their weight in salt could tell you thiis isn't so. While to some degree it is possible, it would take an incredible amount of energy. This is what most magicians would consider low magick anyway. What would be called high magick isn't turing lead to gold, but rather our souls. Not calling on the physical elements, but rather the part of our spirit they represent.
Many old grimores were also written in code, only sharing their wisdom with those students savy enough in their chipher.
The Keys of Salomon talk of rituals using 7 swords and thumb covers made from the ear of a black cat. Personaly I would never go that far to see a spell come to fruitation.
And lastly, many newcomers forget about doing the footwork in the mundane world to see their spell through. i.e.( just because you do a money spell does't mean you don't have to work.) Many forget that magick always follows the laws of nature. Defying these laws isn't magick, it's a miricle. If you do a money spell chances are someone who owes you a debt will repay it when you need it most, or your boss will offer you over time on your job.
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Posted: 1/9/2006 8:57:44 PM | Now that is where the differentiation between the many forms of 'Magic' is really important
In Celtic 'Magick' this is true for the main part
But when you investigate other forms, it seems the 'Laws of Nature' must be a lot different
There are things out there that absolutely do not follow what we consider 'Nature'
Many of these include a lot of 'Natures' articles/artifacts but in some cases, they just leave you shaking your head in total disbelief
Our Western perceptions are very heavily influenced by both media, and public awareness
In other, so called 'less civilized' places, there are no preconceptions, so they still seem to have abilities that go far beyond anything we would even contemplate
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Posted: 1/11/2006 4:00:20 PM | | I could be wrong but, I belive magickal enery is a gift from the divine. It makes us all co-creators in this world we all share. The high feeling you get is from the unbridaled love we share with the divine and the low after we become grounded is simply a form of withdraw from said love, and the universal conciousness we experiance. | |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 4:49:44 PM | I have a situation and I would like to know your thoughts.
A group of riders traveling at night are heading north in Ontario. Little did they know they would make the distance that evening that they had. Heading towards Thunder Bay they see they are heading into a wild storm with a heck of a light show. The colours are absolutely beautiful. Getting closer the wind picks up and literally starts to rages. You can feel the electricity in the air. The only thing on every biker's mind is that they are going to be able to pull over in a safe spot before they are hit by it. There is a group of approx. 10 riders. One of the bikers asks aloud to receive safe passage before the storm reaches the group. This person repeats this over and over asking Please.
The wind around dies off to be managable for them to ride in. About 1/2 hr later, they start to head north west but the storm continues to hold in Thunder Bay. They pass untouch by rain, heavy wind, and the safe passage asked for was granted.
The person asking was not a Witch or a praticing Christian. Now my question, is this considered a prayer, spell, a chant, what? And what/who answered?
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Breaca
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Posted: 1/11/2006 4:55:55 PM | Magic is the ability to change consciousness at will. Choose carefully. Above all, know thyself.
An Ye harm none, do what ye will.
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longte
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Msg: 92 | |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 4:57:23 PM | There are many answers to this this seemingly simple thing
A Witch may suggest that the correct words/attitude was there to reach the part of nature that controlled the storm that day
A Christian will say God helped them out
A Muslim may say Allah etc etc
A weather man will say it was just an aberation in the weather caused by XXXXX
Which one of these, or many more, answers is correct, nobody will actually know
There were no controls in place, so it is impossible to answer this question with any degree of accuracy
But it all worked out well, so thats pretty cool in any case
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Posted: 1/11/2006 6:21:22 PM | My definition: Magic is that which causes a profound transformation in consciousness.
A change in one's basic perception, by whatever means (meditation, spells, shamanic drumming, Native American rituals, prayer, etc.), can cause a visible change in one's circumstances. The change can be conscious or subconscious in nature, and the results can be remarkable, sometimes "miraculous." For example, a spontaneous healing with no "known" cause.
So, from my perspective, magic is a tool to help change our perception to allow us to change our circumstances. Not terribly romantic, but still rather mysterious - we are dealing with the complexities of the human mind, after all. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 6:25:29 AM | Interesting parallel one might draw there with Yorkist's "psychology-inspired cults." (Bad paraphrase, but it works)
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Could you explain,Feral, what Yorkist`s psychology-inspired cults are. I`ve never heard of that. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 6:49:27 AM | **********************************************************************
Seriously though, so true SFL, The Cathoilc church has had more scandals against it and exposes counting more than the sands on some beaches...
And while not in the same amount, far too many TV Evangeslists have used 'trickery' (magic?) to lure the masses as well.
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From Google (is it referring to this time in history?)
The Yorkist Earl of Warwick re-took London in 1460 and captured Henry VI. Subsequently the Duke of York returned to claim the throne in Parliament but was recognised only as Protector and heir to the throne. Weeks later he marched north to enforce this settlement, but was killed at Wakefield. A large Lancastrian army swarmed south, overwhelming Warwick at at Northampton and liberating the mad-again Henry. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 7:10:13 AM | etc Fearful Londoners would not admit the Lancastrian troops, and the Duke of York's son, Edward, earl of March, arrived to support the capital just in time. With littleto lose, the Yorkists acclaimed March as Edward IV (1461-83), and he cemented his accession by annihilating the Lancastrian army at Towton (outside York) in April 1461 - perhaps the most vicious battle ever fought on English soil. Henry VI and the other Lancastrian leaders were fugitives.
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if so how does that relate????? | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 7:52:20 AM | | I'm not really sure why you are refering to with this interesting tidbit of history, and refering back to another posting, could you please explain what you are trying to correlate. | |
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longte
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Posted: 1/12/2006 8:24:39 AM | Interesting parallel one might draw there with Yorkist's "psychology-inspired cults." (Bad paraphrase, but it works)
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Could you explain,Feral, what Yorkist`s psychology-inspired cults are. I`ve never heard of that.''
It was just trying to find an explanation/background behind Yorkist psychology-inspired
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Posted: 1/12/2006 8:53:06 AM | | I`m not sure there is a corralation but woke up directed to this. How strange is that? I`m just going over the posts. Maybe nothing??? | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 9:24:44 AM | Couldn`t resist. Back to topic...
(Jimmy, I wasn't going to read your post, but I did. I'm sorry.)
****************************************************In the bible the witch of Endor had a familar spirit in the Greek version [a spirit that had been with the family line for 100' or 1,000's or years (may have made them think they were reincarnated- simple told a past life they had living with an ancestor)], but in the Hebrew the witch of Endor was a ventriliquist. So, the conclusion is that a familar spirit threw the witches voice, and she was a fake and screamed when Samual appeared, she didn't expect a real appearence, only to deceive.
Now, as a "Son of God" and knowing people that raise the dead, and I have gone into mental intitutions and got people set free, and even homosexuals back to normal liking women again, and one friend has had 100 bills appear and 20 multiply and turn into 50's and I and others have been with him when it happens.
I have payed for one 24 year old girl who was instantly healed of schizophrenia, bipolarism, bad back, bad eye sight (several healed of bad eye sight), and also healed of incurable herpies. I also fortold Princes Diana's murder 3 or 4 months before it happen, the Holy SPirit told me who was going to murder her................................................
There isn't any life in satan so he can't raise the dead, other than attempt to copy God in some voodo cultures by having a demon enter someone and talk through their volcal cords for a few minutes, but in the end the demon has to leave and the person drops over still dead, and rotting, only God can bring someone back from real death to real life.
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Especially" a familiar threw the witches voice..." then "she didn`t expect a real appearance"
Thou doth contradict thyself.
Anyway , going for coffee | |
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