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Posted: 6/20/2005 5:06:15 PM | Here's a timely article.
From: US 'Impatience' in Bin Laden Hunt By Gordon Corera, BBC News, Monday 20 June 2005
"Now in an interview with Time magazine, CIA director Porter Goss has added to the debate. He said he has "an excellent idea" of where Bin Laden is, but that "weak links" in the war on terror and "sanctuaries in sovereign states" were hampering the hunt."
"Mr Goss's carefully worded comments again avoid naming any countries, but could also be interpreted as a suggestion that dealing with Pakistan over Osama Bin Laden has become a sensitive issue for the US."
" One man who has seen that relationship from the inside is former CIA officer Gary Schroen. He led the hunt for Bin Laden between 1997 and 1999 and then again after the attacks on 11 September.
"In a BBC interview Mr Schroen recalls how the CIA's counter-terrorism chief told him one of his jobs was "to find Bin Laden and his lieutenants, kill them and bring back Bin Laden's head to the United States in a cardboard box on dry ice".
'"Once Bin Laden slipped over the border into Pakistan... he was effectively out of our reach because the Pakistani government has taken such a strong position that US military personnel will not enter Pakistan," he told the BBC.'
"The Pakistani government still is very reluctant to actually try to deal with Bin Laden because the uproar in their country will be tremendous if they are actually seen as facilitating his capture or his death."
"Mr Schroen also argues that Pakistan does have a general idea of where Bin Laden might be: "I think they know as well as I do that if he's hiding anywhere in the country he's hiding north of Peshawar in the tribal areas along the border."
" President Musharraf has also been personally targeted for assassination by militants and so the suggestion that the country is not doing enough is one that generates serious anger in Islamabad and there's no doubt that President Musharraf has taken great political and personal risks in allying with the United States." | |
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| Is Osama ever going to be brought to justice?
Posted: 6/21/2005 8:46:05 AM |
Don't believe all the cool, sci-fi, spy gadgets you see on TV
How Come? With the Billion$ spent on Defense every year there should be a ton of cool gagets. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2005 1:33:08 PM | THe Time interview with CIA director Porter Goss was extremely interesting and its really nice to know that yes...they have it right.
Thats how it is and the truth.Most of my Muslim friends believe that to be the truth.
Musharraf is a dictator but actually not too bad for the people and he is being undermined by the Secret Service because of his pro USA stance which is economic as well as personal.
A lot of the population is Pathan,which is what most of the Afghans are...tribal/family loyalty coming into play is how BinLaden finds himself in the border mountain range...the NWFP.
THe Secret Service gives him tipoffs to move,whenever Pakistan does one of their......."we have cornered a HIGH VALUE TARGET" charades. Looks like its the same old news reel.
Majority Pakistan population is Islamic but not overly so.They do like mixing with the west and getting on with life.Musharraf has given them quite a bit of stabilty.Call centres and foriegn investment etc. However...there are other military officiers who seek to undermine him and gain power and they are into moving and tipping off BinLaden and therefore protecting him for personal reasons rather than religious.
The Pathan is maybe protecting him from some false notions of honor and hospitality...for which,they are wellknown.
BinLaden needs to be caught in Afghan....not in Pakistan,altho ...someone here said that maybe its good to know where he is................................and keep him contained......... | |
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| Is Osama ever going to be brought to justice?
Posted: 6/22/2005 11:00:11 AM | | If Dubya wanted him, he wouldn't have flown his family out of the US in the hours following 9/11(see the post on controlled demolition). oh yeah, i like how the system blocks****Cheney's name, he is a D1ck! | |
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Posted: 6/22/2005 11:40:36 AM | Iraq's justice minister on Tuesday accused the United States of trying to delay Iraqi attempts to interrogate Saddam Hussein, saying "it seems there are lots of secrets they want to hide."
The rest here.. http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Iraq/185273
I guess if the real truth about Americas support of Saddam comes out, it will make them look bad. | |
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| Is Osama ever going to be brought to justice?
Posted: 6/22/2005 12:09:00 PM | | Considering we are paying Pakistan a huge monthly allotment while the search goes on, if he is in the Pakistan boarder region ,and they know where he is, I am not sure the Paks would give him up and see that cash flow stop. Just a thought. | |
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| Is Osama ever going to be brought to justice?
Posted: 6/25/2005 1:49:46 PM | What I find unsettling is the obvious dualism in the right wing, specifically about the current foreign situation:
How is it that when Osama roams free, we are told not to expect miraculous solutions, magic wands, etc... But we are told to believe outright that the "intelligence" on supposed Iraqi WMDs, real WMDs like sarin gas, scuds, nukes, and so forth, came from just such amazing covert techniques. The same techniques that are called magical. Which is it? You can't have both sides of that street. Choose one.
Either the CIA is this amazing org that could detect invisible WMDs, or they are inept as OsamaBinLaden's freedom proves.
Face it, the CIA is not amazing at all, they lied about the Soviet menace, they mishandled Central America, they let Iran become a huge threat, and it's time they were audited.
Osama is free, and the CIA has something to do with it. Either they can't catch him because they suck at what they are over-funded to do, or they know where he is and are running some colossal caper at the expense of civil liberty world wide.
Osama is free while the "Free World" groans under the jackboot of Totalitarianism | |
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Posted: 6/25/2005 1:55:17 PM |
How is it that when Osama roams free, we are told not to expect miraculous solutions, magic wands, etc... But we are told to believe outright that the "intelligence" on supposed Iraqi WMDs, real WMDs like sarin gas, scuds, nukes, and so forth, came from just such amazing covert techniques. Which is it? You can't have both sides of that street. Choose one.
Hans Blix stated emphatically, and repeatedly, that Iraq was not following the resolutions set forth by the UN, and that many tons of chemical weapons were, and are still, missing. He gathered this information mainly through the Iraqi govts own records. He did not need a super-duper-spy-a-scope to read these documents, or to be turned away from an inspection site. Happy?
Osama is free while the "Free World" groans under the jackboot of Totalitarianism
lol, the sky is falling, too, Chicken Little. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2005 2:07:47 PM | Oh, so BLix read old documents, decades old, in some musty library attic, and concluded there were weapons. Good work, Hansy Boy!
Oh, and calling me names will get you banned.
So let's see someone read old memos and locate Osama.
Yeah, right. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2005 2:17:04 PM |
Oh, so BLix read old documents, decades old, in some musty library attic, and concluded there were weapons. Good work, Hansy Boy!
Yep. You nailed it on that one.
Oh, and calling me names will get you banned.
So will going off-topic.
So let's see someone read old memos and locate Osama.
Just like we located the WMDs? Which is it? You can't have both sides of that street. Choose one. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2005 5:59:24 PM |
super-duper-spy-a-scope
I hard those things were the bomb!!
Frosty, not to get to technical with you, but... I believe that they were actually "da bomb." "DA bomb." | |
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| Is Osama ever going to be brought to justice?
Posted: 6/30/2005 12:56:21 PM | If he dies out there as a fugitive, his comrades would probably keep issuing statements, recorded messages, and maybe even videos.
They probably have hours of unreleased footage for just that purpose...
And the restrictions of our civil liberties will go on and on... | |
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Posted: 6/30/2005 2:53:32 PM | In my opinion, Osama's death/capture isn't going to solve the problem related to restriction of our civil liberties.
Personally, I don't think he will be captured. If he is, I think he will end his life in the process.
That said, remember back in 2001-2002 when it was determined that even if we think we capture him, we don't have any way to confirm through DNA that it's him...
Has there been any progress on that that anyone knows of? I don't mean to get off-topic; in my mind this is directly related to whether he will every be "brought to justice." | |
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Posted: 6/30/2005 2:58:51 PM |
In my opinion, Osama's death/capture isn't going to solve the problem related to restriction of our civil liberties.
If bin Ladan was cought it would probably restrict Bush and Co from restricting civil liberties. No threat, no more reason to tap phone lines, read privte e-mails, detain people at airports, deport people for 'rendition' torture and a million other violations. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2005 3:21:08 PM | I understand the violations. I just don't think that Osama is the be-all, end-all to the problem, and I don't think the administration would be "restricted..." Not that they shouldn't be anyway, but... | |
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| Osama bin Laden has been dead since 2001
Posted: 6/30/2005 3:48:00 PM | Here's a translation of funeral article in an Egyptian paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633
News of Bin Laden's Death and Funeral 10 days ago
Islamabad - A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death.
The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of al-Qa'da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. In the farewell ceremony to his final rest guns were fired in the air.
The official stated that it is difficult to pinpoint the burial location of bin Laden because according to the Wahhabi tradition no mark is left by the grave. He stressed that it is unlikely that the American forces would ever uncover any traces of bin Laden.
Bin Laden was "discovered" and originally promoted as the evil mastermind terrorist behind 911 and other CIA acts of violence by Richard A. Clarke and John O'Neill. If you don't understand the concept of "patsies" in covert activities, you are easily deceived by the mainstream media and our unscrupulous politicians.
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| Is Osama ever going to be brought to justice?
Posted: 6/30/2005 3:57:37 PM | He's in Iran and has been for quite a while. Here are some facts:
Iran borders Pakistan and Afghanistan.
It's almost impossible to communicate effectively and run a terrorist organization from inside a cave.
Good health care is hard to get from inside a cave.
The Ayotollah who is now the most powerful man in Iran was mentored by the Ayatollah who ran the Shaw out of town in the 70's, expressed his hatred for the U.S., and put a hit order out on Salman Rushdie.
Al Queda wants a nuclear weapon.
Iran wants a nuclear weapon.
The CIA knows exactly where Osama is but they "need to respect the sovereignty of a nation".
The newly elected president of Iran is suspected to have been one of those who held Americans hostage in the embassy in Tehran for over a year after the revolution.
The U.S. has a military presence in Afghanistan.
Pakistan has expressed a willingness to cooperate with the U.S.
The U.S. obviously has a military presence in Iraq.
You do the math. Where is Osama the safest and how can he get a government to support his desire for a nuclear weapon? Iran.
Sunnis may hate Shiites, and vice versa, but they have a common enemy.
Some clown just about got shot down recently flying his airplane in the no fly zone over the White House. A couple of suicide bombers flying in a private airplane in the no fly zone with a nuclear bomb in the back seat would love to get shot down.
It's a mess and it aint gonna get any better. | |
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