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|Sean Stephenson and Mindie Kniss plan to marry in fall 2012. They met on Facebook, he proposed with an iPad and friends posted the proposal on YouTube.|
When Stephenson was born, doctors quickly recognized the signs of the genetic disorder osteogenesis imperfecta. He was not expected to live. Guys he's like 3' tall and wheelchair bound.
Posted: 9/19/2011 5:27:48 AM
Lucky guy! In the end it all comes down to luck for all of us. I find it hard to believe that there aren't a multitude of potential partners for ALL of us out there on this big ol' rock, the trick is actually finding them.
If you consider luck to be a matter of probability, then it all boils down to a numbers game. The more attractive you are, the more potential partners out there for you, the more likely you are of happening upon one and establishing a relationship.
Personal preferences aside, I think a LOT of people in this world reduce the probability of meeting someone because they discount those that society deems less desirable or appropriate.
It wasn't that long ago that many gay men and women would maintain the appearance of normality and marry a member of the opposite sex and start a family to 'fit in' or just remain single and alone their whole life because they were afraid of the stigma attached to being in a same-sex relationship. Also, people wouldn't date outside their race/age/class because it was considered taboo.
Taller women/shorter guys doesn't carry quite the same stigma, but for many it is considered unconventional, and therefore undesirable.
I acknowledge that some men/women are simply attracted to a certain shape/size of partner and I personally have no issue with not being everything to everyone, but a LOT of people out there are swayed in their selection process by how they feel they'll be perceived by others/society - and it is this that annoys me.
Why do short/average actors have to stand on boxes or wear lifts in their shoes to be leading men and stand taller than their female leads in movies? Why do action heroes in movies all have to be portrayed as taller than average, even when the actors playing them are not? Heck, even Sir Alan Sugar had to have his seat artificially raised in his own boardroom whilst filming the British version of "The Apprentice" because despite his business credentials (which form the very basis for his participation in the show), he would be perceived by the mass audience as less imposing and impressive if he was in fact revealed to be a shortar$e.
It is this self-perpetuating fallacy that is constantly dished out by popular culture that is the problem in my eyes. Knowing that a significant portion of women (and men) are influenced by this propaganda and that it is more than likely adversely affecting my life generally (not just in terms of love) is somewhat frustrating.
It's not a societal issue I can personally solve, and it's not something that I haven't personally been able to overcome, so I'll leave the political lobbying to those with more time and inclination. But to deny the problem, or to lay the blame solely at the feet of the shorter population (claiming it is we are the ones with the complex) only demonstrates ignorance.
Posted: 9/19/2011 11:05:54 AM
|You find shorter men (and by "short" we'll go with those below the average height of an American male, which is 5'8") upset about women demanding men be taller than they are because they're experiencing something women had to deal with in the past (and still do in many ways): discrimination based on physical traits that can't be altered.|
We see so many women who say they want to be loved for who they are, and not just what they look like. They want a man who engages their mind, someone who treats them well, etc. The problem that many "short" guys see is this: they aren't even given the chance to show her whether they are such a person when their initial overtures are summarily rejected solely on the basis of their height.
It only begins to gall them worse when they hear a woman say in her profile that a man has to be taller than her while she's wearing an entirely voluntary wardrobe piece, her shoes with heels. We can ignore the likely source behind heels (her using clothing to improve her self confidence; there's plenty of objective medical evidence showing that heels are bad for posture and long-term spinal health, and I can't personally fathom dating someone who'd intentionally do something they know is bad "because they like it" as their sole justification; it shows a staggering lack of concern for their own health).
So guys agree to not try to engage a woman solely because of her physical appearance. They choose not to engage her solely because of her bust size, hip size, muscle tone in legs, etc. When they then see a woman turn around and tell them she won't date them because they don't meet some arbitrary height requirement, the logical inconsistency arises, and they take issue with it.
Then the woman comes back and says, "Look, it's just what I want. Get over it."
Sounds an awful lot like what I'm sure women heard so much over the years while fighting for equality, eh?
It gets even more amusing when a woman, called out on her shallow height requirement, says, "It's just a preference!", as though that were somehow justification for an untenable perspective. Everything around that statement shows it's a requirement, not a preference, but she apparently doesn't know the difference, or practices such self deception that she's incapable of even knowing the difference.
This is in large part a symptom of online dating, where people assemble lists like they were pulling together parts for Frankenstein's monster, and they then refuse to budge on those things. They believe that someone who's going to satisfy them "has" to have every one of those qualities. They can exercise ultimate control over who interacts with them: if someone contacts them, they can ignore the person with no real repercussion save a potential angry retort from the person being ignored, at which point they just callously delete that message as well, then block the person.
It isn't the same in person. Someone walks up to you and introduces themselves, you're forced to deal with the immediacy of their presence. You can choose to completely ignore them, but your social conditioning (rightly) leads you to conclude that's unforgivably rude. So the person has the chance to chip away at the ice because they can use whatever parts of themselves they've developed to compensate for potentially lacking in the qualities commonly considered "attractive", like personality, sense of humor, clever lines that show intelligence, etc. Next thing you know, five months down the line, you're in a committed relationship and telling other single people, in an attempt to be encouraging, "I wound up with someone I never thought I'd be with, because they were a really nice guy!" These people then come here, they be nice guys, still don't get responses, and come to the forums to start a "Nice Guy" thread. ;)
In short, ladies, if you ignore a guy's overtures on the site based on their height, you're functionally using the consequence-free environment the Internet provides to justify deplorable behavior. I dare you to tell the guy who comes up to you in the bookstore or bar or coffee shop that he's being rejected because he's "too short". See what happens.
So if you're (rightly) unwilling to do that in person, why do you think it's acceptable behavior online?
Posted: 9/19/2011 12:54:38 PM
|I went to Malta recently and couldn't quite work out why in the clubs I was getting so many more flirty looks and touches than I do in England. Looking around me the girls were stunning and the guys very handsome. Then I went to the bar and standing next to these guys I suddenly realised I was about a foot taller than 99% of the guys in there :).|
The girls aren't short over there and it was so funny seeing so many couples when the girl, in her heels, was taller than the guy :).
There have been numerous studies linking height to increased earnings as well. Whilst I'm by no means super tall (6ft 1) I did turn out to be one of 2 tall guys in an intake of about 30 graduates and found the directors always spent more time talking to us 2!
Posted: 9/20/2011 1:12:37 PM
|Let's face it, prejudice rules the world.|
Posted: 9/20/2011 7:00:40 PM
Let's face it, prejudice rules the world.
It does appear to be a part of human nature.
Posted: 9/20/2011 8:14:10 PM
|Well, I had to kick the short dude to the curb, but it's cuz he was an azzhole. The short part didn't bother me a bit. |
Posted: 9/20/2011 8:51:16 PM
|To the OP:|
I think the idea of women wanting to be with taller men is just instinct. Back in the "cavemen days" (if our economy doesn't improve soon we WILL be back in the caveman days again) - females selected the best to have offspring with, so that their offspring had the best chance of reproducing. It is nature's process of "Natural Selection". This is a basic instinct - very hard to overcome for most women and men too! I say, get a blue coat with white lapels and lots of buttons and medals on the front and partially stick your hand in it, it worked for Napoleon, right?
1) What music did you have playing in your Ipod whilst you played "midget toss" was it amything by Randy Neuman? Hmmm?
2) How many kicks DID it take? 3 maybe 4? Did he scream, "Oh, not me Lucky Charms" ever?
3) Did you bring him back to the house to see if you could get him to the curb in one really good punt? You know - practice makes perfect...
Posted: 9/21/2011 2:32:48 AM
|short guys are not hot... That is a joke....But not all tall guys are hot either....|
Posted: 9/21/2011 3:52:04 AM
short guys are not hot... That is a joke....But not all tall guys are hot either....
Allow me to correct your mistake there.
Short guys are not hot to you...That is a joke to you.
I can't fault you on the second part of your post.
Posted: 9/21/2011 12:18:42 PM
|I am forever stuck in the middle - exactly 5'8". I used to be 'cute' and 'cuddly' (a.k.a. overweight), but have been working out, dumped 45 pounds and a few inches off the waist.|
Now I feel like I'm supposed to have some sort of Napoleon complex because I'm not a mushy teddy bear anymore. The stigma with short guys is that they should be BIG - either chubby and harmless, or built like a tree stump with biceps as big as their thighs. I'm neither - and don't want to be.
The part that blows my mind is the subset of some short women (under 5'2" or so) that insist on a guy 6' or taller, and won't go for less. Lady, even with 3" heels you need a stepladder to kiss him. Just because Kim Kardashian can date an NBA player doesn't mean it's highly recommended.
Posted: 9/21/2011 12:47:13 PM
|I LIKE short men, always have. I stand about 5'2" and have no desire to come up to a guy's sternum when I'm dancing. So the majority of women do like taller men, but not all do. Two of my closest women friends also prefer shorter men and several other friends don't care about height. I think it's like heavier women. A lot of men want a thin woman but there are guys who prefer more meat on a girl's bones. |
Short men, don't assume women won't be attracted to you. You just need to find the right woman.
Posted: 9/21/2011 1:44:34 PM
|I have gone out with men shorter than me. I am 5'9. I have found that a lot of men have more of an issue with the height difference. I don't care really.|
Posted: 9/22/2011 9:29:11 AM
|LOL at Phil. It just took one little kick, with my high-heeled shoe on, of course! No ipod - I wanted to hear the *splat*.|
So, Luke...you just let me know when you want to move to Nashville... ;)
Posted: 9/22/2011 6:21:34 PM
|Haha! You'll be the first to know Hitsingle!!! |
Posted: 9/23/2011 5:24:56 PM
|Random, but one advantage of being short is it make air travel much, much, MUCH more comfortable.|
Posted: 9/23/2011 8:52:56 PM
I am so stupid, of course it took only one kick - you're name says it all "Hitsingle", which in reverse is "single hit" - sorry for my misunderstanding - I should comprehend more before posting.
I tried to figure out the ways that air travel could be much more comfortable for short people and the only two ways that I could come up with was:
1) sleeping in the overhead
2) being "cradled" by one of the flight waitresses, you know, some of that,"rock a by baby, in the tree top..." stuff..
I could only find ways that would be cheaper to fly, which are:
1) Be a "stowaway" in a "carry-on" baggage.
2) Being in someone's "check in" baggage.
3) There's always the "pet carrier" thing.
4) Plus a couple that I just plain forgot.
Posted: 9/24/2011 6:40:49 PM
|cheer up, its totally an American thing. |
get out, get over seas, get out of country ; and you will find that the rest of the women in the world are not limiting to who you are, who you could be to them, by the height of your head.
the prejudice is purely and entirely American - I have never had the issue of being 5-6 be an issue in Japan, Korea, Thailand, New Zealand, Ukraine, Russia, Ecuador, Costa Rica or Panama.
When enough men decide to leave this fishing hole - the women will change their tune, or end up with multiple cats
meh - Happier Abroad.
Posted: 9/24/2011 7:32:57 PM
|Guilty! I am 5'2" & prefer tall men...not freakishly tall, but above average. Oddly enough, I was rejected by a man on here who said I was too short for him during our date! Funny thing...not only is my height plainly stated in my profile, but we had met IRL (our daughters cheered together in middle school). Whatever...he was supremely boring. Now our daughters cheer together in high school & I have to see him at every game, competition & parent meeting. I laugh about it like crazy with the other cheer moms. |
Posted: 9/24/2011 11:11:13 PM
I have seen the EXACT same thing in terms of dating and meeting women both in the USA and overseas. Funny, I speak several languages which does open doors and I am treated like a rock star overseas by women and IGNORED by American women. Heck even if I pulled up in a Bugatti, I'd still be overlooked by women when some tall dude walks up. Thats ok, retire rich in the Caribbean or Thai beach villa looks mighty appealing to me.
For now, I just enjoy life and no longer worry about it. I am not tall and not short. Just me.
Posted: 9/25/2011 4:38:27 AM
|I'm 5'8" and it doesn't stop me from finding dates. I've dated women from 4'9" to 6'7" but I'm open minded. Many short men may be intimidated by a woman who's really tall, but chances are that many men don't approach her because of her height so she's overly excited when a man has enough confidence to approach her and isn't ashamed to be seen in public with her. Yes, people will stare or give weird looks, but that's their problem. As long as we're happy, that's all that matters. Besides, the women may look at us and think to themselves "that's embarrassing", but the men will look at us and think "what kind of horse c0ck does he have to satisfy her?" So, don't let your height hinder you or get you down because everyone has some kind of issue in life, it's up to you to overcome that issue and be great regardless.|
Posted: 9/25/2011 8:32:02 PM
|yes, being openminded is the key|
i've dated men from 5'4 to 6'5...it just depends on whether your personalities mesh and if they have confidence in themselves
i've seen plenty of short men with taller women...they don't care what people think...they're together and that's what counts..
Posted: 9/26/2011 1:25:38 AM
|Indeed so. I've seen a dude about 5'3" walking in and later out of the club with 2 pretty ladies about my hight. It was not a dance club so I know they are not dance partners.|
Posted: 9/26/2011 1:58:23 AM
Haha! Yeah attitude, not altitude!
Posted: 1/16/2012 9:03:26 PM
|The way I see it, if one were to look down, you will notice that everyone's feet touch the ground, good 'nough.|
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