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| Nuke the Mudpeople!
Posted: 1/14/2005 11:57:29 PM |
"they can't really do anything but say "You're wrong!" and toss out links."
Feel the impotence?
The impotence of what, your argument?
If the links are verifiable (i.e. proveable) then there's nothing wrong with it. It's called citing your sources - and its something respectible news reporters do every day.
If they don't they usually get fired for writing bullsh*t.. Then they're forced to go work for FOX news or something...
To win a debate, you have to back up your arguments Bulldog. This is something that you've utterly failed to do.
So go ahead, be critical of Canada and the people that post on this site all you want. We'll treat your opinions with the same amount of respect as you've demonstrated towards ours. | |
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| Nuke the Mudpeople!
Posted: 1/15/2005 8:44:38 AM | | See, all you want to do is debate. I don't have to debate at all, cuz the U.S. is doing a good job in my eyes. YOU'RE the one who's complaining about it. So, are you gonna do something? No. All you do is talk. I bet you don't even donate money to Iraqis. This is just a talking point for you Canadians, it seems. You're powerless to change anything that is happening by us, so you just complain. You're not even protesting. You're just complaining. Impotent. | |
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| Nuke the Mudpeople!
Posted: 1/15/2005 9:06:08 AM |
See, all you want to do is debate. I don't have to debate at all, cuz the U.S. is doing a good job in my eyes. YOU'RE the one who's complaining about it. So, are you gonna do something? No. All you do is talk. I bet you don't even donate money to Iraqis. This is just a talking point for you Canadians, it seems. You're powerless to change anything that is happening by us, so you just complain. You're not even protesting. You're just complaining. Impotent.
You see Bulldog, here's the thing... adults debate. In fact, throughout the world of grown-ups, this whole 'discuss, debate, decide' approach to international relations is sort of 'standard fare'. Now, in your case, that's not so, which is cool, I guess, if that's all you're capable of, and you're welcome to that kind of approach. It's very similar to what the chimps seem to do at the Toronto zoo, actually, where they decide on a course of action of what they want...and just run headlong into doing it without care or concern for the others in the pen. Bless their hearts, they also play with their putz and throw their sh!t at each other, but we'll not get into that as far as comparisons go.
Canada, most European countries, and in fact everyone with the possible exception of Australia, Britain and United States governments, have made a point of keeping this an active debate because the stakes are much higher than a few hundred thousand innocents dead. Since George set a precedent and said he'd do it again in a heartbeat, the adults of the international community need to rationally sort out what to do with the big bully in the sandbox should he decide to go after Iran, North Korea or, I dunno, maybe Chile p!sses him off sometime...
The world changes,evolves and grows now because of debate and careful discussion. It's delicate, it takes time, and it often ends up with no one getting exactly what they want (but everyone getting something they need). It's a survival instinct...because might no longer makes right...it makes nuclear winter.
Canada (and hey, trust me, we're not exactly a lone voice in the wilderness here) decries U.S. actions because of two basic tenets most Canadians hold dear to their hearts.
1. If something is wrong, it can not be allowed to simply continue on without a word of protest.
2. You do not lower yourself in order to make a point. The high road may be lonely , but it holds the right path.
So to you it's just impotent complaining. Fair enough. Keep doing what you're doing, as there's not much point in wasting too much breath...the rest of the world will just keep on watching you, much as we do at the Toronto Zoo. | |
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| Nuke the Brainless!
Posted: 1/15/2005 9:45:23 AM | *laugh* Nice post Woodrow.
See, all you want to do is debate.
Last I saw, this was a Forum. Usually forums are a place for discussion.
Secondly, while you might agree with what your Putz-in-chief is doing, I'm afraid the rest of the world sees differently. To defend his actions, and maybe convince some of us we're wrong, you might have to behave like you're older than 4 years old. | |
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| Nuke the Brainless!
Posted: 1/15/2005 12:32:04 PM | If you think depleted uranium shells burst on impact, and start some sort of nuclear reaction, or radioactive contamination, your either mis informed or worse. Depleted Uranium shells are simply the hardest metal known to man to use as a bullet. its capable of incredible penetration. it SIMPLY DOES NOT DISENTEGRATE, leaving a volitile cloud of nuclear fallout. no idea where you people get his dumb stuff from.
although you have the freedom of speech, please do not attempt to educate people with totally false statements. you can carry depleted uranium bullets in your belt. mass quantities is a different matter. but the fact is most of them are used in tank shells, and can you imagine anyone firing a tank round that busts up into a powder on impact? sorry. | |
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| Nuke the Mudpeople!
Posted: 1/15/2005 5:09:23 PM | Bulldog says:
See, all you want to do is debate. I don't have to debate at all, cuz the U.S. is doing a good job in my eyes. YOU'RE the one who's complaining about it. So, are you gonna do something? No. All you do is talk. I bet you don't even donate money to Iraqis. This is just a talking point for you Canadians, it seems. You're powerless to change anything that is happening by us, so you just complain. You're not even protesting. You're just complaining. Impotent.
If everyone agreed with you, you'd like it for 5 minutes, then be bored to death. Second, what's the U.S. doing a good job at? Killing? Occupying? Attacking? Lying? | |
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| When good people do nothing.
Posted: 1/17/2005 10:50:45 AM | When something is wrong you must speak up. You are killing our own people as well...
Rising anger hits Pentagon's DU use
By Paddy Colligan
Thousands of people in Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal have recently protested the Pentagon's use of depleted-uranium weapons in Europe. They charge that DU is the cause of a cancer epidemic among European NATO troops who occupied Bosnia and Kosovo, where the U.S. used DU-enhanced weapons.
The Labor Center of Athens called thousands to Athens, Larisa and Karditsa in Greece Feb. 8 and 9 to demand that NATO be abolished, its bases and nuclear weapons expelled from the region, and Greek soldiers returned from Yugoslavia. Under pressure from soldiers worried about the health risks of DU, the Greek government has declared that none of its troops will be forced to stay in Kosovo.
A demonstration was called by the Clark Tribunal in Italy--the group that organized the anti-NATO war crimes tribunal after the war against Yugoslavia. At this Feb. 3 protest, delegations of soldiers and organizations called for the guilty to be removed from power and held responsible for crimes against the Balkans' people and Italy's soldiers
In Brussels, Belgium, a conference titled "Uranium: The Victims Speak" will start March 1. It will bring together soldiers contaminated by DU with people "whose countries have been turned into nuclear and chemical waste dumps." They will strategize with anti-NATO forces about building opposition to DU. For information write to Abolition.ua@caramail.com
In Spain, anti-DU activists are demonstrating before the national army headquarters in Madrid on Feb. 24. For more information, see the web site at www.nodo50.org/csca/.
What is DU?
DU as a byproduct of uranium enrichment and weapons production is a deadly addition to the U.S. a***nal of weapons of mass destruction. It recycles difficult to dispose of low-grade uranium, putting its high-density property to work.
By adding DU to steel armor, tanks are made impenetrable by conventional missiles. Adding DU to the missiles and bullets greatly enhances their armor-piercing capacity. DU may be “relatively safe,” as the Pentagon has claimed, but only as long as it is not used. Once used, however, DU becomes extremely hazardous.
Once its protective coating is removed, for example by heat caused by friction, explosion or burning, DU is transformed into microscopic, hard particles that can be inhaled, blown for dozens of miles, or can lay on the ground for future dispersal by wind, water, and human contact.
DU causes chemical and radiation damage once inside the human body. It is believed that the radiation from DU particularly affects the lungs, the kidneys, and bone marrow where uranium compounds from DU can remain for years. DU, it is now believed by researchers, may be made even more harmful when in combination with impurities retained from its origin in the plutonium enrichment process.
DU in Iraq, Vieques, Balkans
Where DU has been used--southern Iraq, Bosnia, Kosovo, and bombing ranges in Vieques, Okinawa and south Korea--it presents an enormous and continuing danger for civilians living in the contaminated areas.
There has been a documented increase in the rates of childhood leukemia and rare forms of cancer in southern Iraq, where the U.S. used huge amounts of DU materials during the 1991 Gulf War.
A lawsuit challenging the U.S. Navy's use of Vieques--a small island off the coast of Puerto Rico--as a bombing range is demanding restitution for people living on the island. Over a third of the island's 9,000 inhabitants suffer from serious illnesses and cancers that doctors have linked to six decades of Pentagon bombing. DU weapons have been tested there.
Lt. Gen. Boris Alekseyev, the Russian Armed Forces' top environmental safety officer, has charged that in occupied Kosovo, U.S. "soldiers are stationed in an uncontaminated area that was not hit by a single bomb or missile containing depleted uranium."
On the other hand, he said, "the Italians are serving in areas where the bombardment with uranium-containing munitions was the most intensive." Russian troops in the area are being screened for signs of illness. (Kommersant, Jan. 10)
The British government admitted "that thousands of British troops serving in Kosovo were placed at risk from the deadly effects of depleted uranium, the substance linked to Gulf War Syndrome, after a health warning failed to reach soldiers during the 1999 NATO conflict." (Guardian, Feb. 8) It has been forced to agree to test any soldier who requests it for DU exposure.
The World Health Organization appealed on Feb. 1 for $2 million to fund research into the effects of DU ammunition in the Balkans and Iraq.
In West Concord, Mass., a demonstration in January targeted Starmet, one of the two DU munitions producers in the United States. Starmet, now bankrupt, is leaving behind a leaking, unlined waste pit in a residential neighborhood where it buried 400,000 pounds of depleted uranium from 1958 to 1985. The bill for the cleanup is $50 million.
Both Lebanon and the Palestinian Authority continue to call for international investigations of Israeli use of DU weapons. Palestinian forces charged the Israeli military with using DU weapons against the latest uprising. At first the Israelis denied the charge. But they were later forced to concede that they had used DU weapons in the past.
The anger sweeping Europe about depleted uranium has provided an outlet for NATO rivals to raise their differences with Washington. It also raises other problems for the Pentagon: Will the women and men in the U.S. occupation forces in the Balkans become concerned about their own health? Will they question why they are risking their lives for yet another ill-conceived U.S. military adventure, cynically sold to them as a humanitarian rescue mission?
Copies of an International Action Center leaflet informing U.S. service people about DU's dangers and the events in Europe, and asking them to investigate the dangers to themselves and others, were distributed at a demonstration against Plan Colombia at Fort Bragg, N.C., on Feb. 10, 2001.
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