| | vegetarianismPage 3 of 6 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) | | i could that the time to explain the theory of negative calcium balance in the body, or i could just tell you the dietary factors that induce calcium loss in urine are animal protein, salt, caffeine, refined sugar, alcohol, nicotine, aluminum containing antacids, and drugs such as antibiotics, steroids, thyroid hormones, and vitamin A supplements. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2012 1:02:50 PM | i could that the time to explain the theory of negative calcium balance in the body, or i could just tell you the dietary factors that induce calcium loss in urine are animal protein, salt, caffeine, refined sugar, alcohol, nicotine, aluminum containing antacids, and drugs such as antibiotics, steroids, thyroid hormones, and vitamin A supplements.
Most people can put salt,refined sugar,alcohol,nicotine,antacids and antibiotics in the no brainer box.
Use it or lose it.When people get no weight bearing exercise,problems arise,especially women.We are made to lift heavy sh!et.Like an animal carcass. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2012 1:12:56 PM | While I agree that diet is #1 for bone health, exercise is a close 2nd, especially load bearing exercise. This can be as simple as a long daily walk. We forget that aside from Americans' meat based diets, our lack of physical activity is a huge contributor to our world leading osteoporosis rates.
My farmer grandparents ate lots of meat (they raised most of it themselves) and didn't trim much fat off/left the skin on the chicken. They both drank coffee and my grandma baked cookies and cakes to die for. Both of them were fracture free and physically active into their 90's.
We'd all be healthier, whether we're vegans or don't eat a shred of plant based food, if we got off our asses and got some fresh air every day. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2012 5:56:01 PM |
While I agree that diet is #1 for bone health, exercise is a close 2nd, especially load bearing exercise. This can be as simple as a long daily walk. We forget that aside from Americans' meat based diets, our lack of physical activity is a huge contributor to our world leading osteoporosis rates.
My farmer grandparents ate lots of meat (they raised most of it themselves) and didn't trim much fat off/left the skin on the chicken. They both drank coffee and my grandma baked cookies and cakes to die for. Both of them were fracture free and physically active into their 90's.
We'd all be healthier, whether we're vegans or don't eat a shred of plant based food, if we got off our asses and got some fresh air every day.
This bodes well for you.I'm sure most people know of some old guy that delighted in showing up youngsters at an advanced age,I believe most with proper diet are capable of about 75 years until strength seriously declines.Those kind of guys find real things to do,digging their garden,chopping wood,riding a bike,rowing a boat....and knowing what food is good for your body.My grandad in his retirement only really ate pickerel.....he wouldn't eat what the rest of us ate. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2012 4:41:14 AM | I don't know if he showed anyone up. He did die at 93, collapsed in his garden while digging holes for potatoes in the Spring. Grandma died the day after hauling an apple tree she cut down (by hand with a bow saw) to the fire pit at 94.
My point is simply that physical activity of any kind improves health, and that people get too caught up in diet (which, don't get me wrong, I still believe to be number one), "don't eat that" mentalities, forgetting that the best advice for health is to get out in the fresh air and have some fun! | |
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Posted: 7/14/2012 1:20:41 PM | India turned me into a vegetarian. I went on a retreat for a month jan-feb this year and the diet was all vegetarian. I brought beef jerky for emergencies and ended up giving most of it away, I was surprised to note that I didn't miss meat all that much. I did miss 'real' breakfast food though, and couldn't wait to get home and pig out on eggs, pancakes, sausages, bacon, the whole meal deal! When I did end up doing so, it made me sick. In fact, anytime I ate meat at all it made me sick. So I just quit altogether and feel great.
I have cut way back on dairy as well, think I may have an intolerance.. and that too feels great. I tried 100% raw for a bit too, but that was far too extreme for me to be much more than a temporary cleanse.
I eat salmon on occasion when I'm craving it, but that's about it. Any other meat is on the 'system reject' list. I have found it to be kind of exciting, trying new recipes and new grains/veggie combinations. It's also fun experimenting with vegetarian twists on my old favorites. It's MUCH harder eating out now too, which is kind of beneficial as well. It's far too easy to get lazy while working shift work. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2012 5:37:57 AM |
It's far too easy to get lazy while working shift work.
I doubt you are lazy.
I have recently found joining classes with people who inspire me and are having fun get me off my azz.
I never thought I would look forward to taking classes with groups of people.
When you see a guy with one leg or a woman 75 doing her best to keep up along with music and joking around a bit.
It's fun and inspiring.
One lady I call Bunny ( for the energizer bunny) is at least 60.
I will say I know a few vegans/vegetarians and half are fat because they do not restrict sugar/flour.
Some are very healthy and fit though.
Meat, eggs and dairy IF you know where they come from a healthy/organic source is healthier ( meats) in moderation than sugars and flour. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2012 6:28:10 AM | shakti:
India turned me into a vegetarian
If you have any Hindu temples in your city, check them out for buffets, festivals, etc. We attend at least one a month (usually more). Most temples are open to all the public but non-Indians usually aren't aware of this. Also try the buffets at Indian restaurants. The larger your city, the more chance of a wide range of regional indian dishes All types of tempting and intriguing dishes to expand your repetoire.
Today is our monthly Vegan potluck. It's weird , in a positive way, to be in a room with 30 or so adults and just about everyone is a healthy weight...sort of like being back in university 35 years ago. Everyone brings a dish with a card listing the ingredients. I'm always inspired to try a couple of them at home. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2012 7:02:49 AM |
Today is our monthly Vegan potluck. It's weird , in a positive way, to be in a room with 30 or so adults and just about everyone is a healthy weight...
I jokingly postulate that vegans get their preachiness from healthy weight potlucks, with the knowledge that bbq fests are full of fat people :) | |
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Posted: 7/15/2012 7:47:33 AM | I really don't know any preachy vegans. I only hear about 'preachy' vegans from non-vegans. Not sure where they encounter all of these vegans and then get into conversations with them. The vegans I know are mostly either Indian or folks like Bill Clinton who came to the diet for health reasons. If I cut out the cheese. i'd be a vegan but I don't know how anyone else would recognize me as one.
I'm a vegetarian and I'm an Atheist. in a weird way they are looked upon in the same way by much of society.
"You don't eat meat? (believe in god?)..but blah, blah, blah....blah, blah... most vegetarians, like most atheists are usually responding to somebody's indignation rather than proactively preaching. I tend to listen to the anti-Vegetarian yappers the same way I do to Christian fundies... nod while actually singing a tune in my head | |
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Posted: 7/15/2012 8:14:54 AM | PP:
I doubt you are lazy. Thanks for the vote of confidence, but after working a night shift I sure am! It's easy to get into the habit of just ordering in, but the choices 'round here for vegetarians are fairly sparse, so I'm forced to get innovative.
I will say I know a few vegans/vegetarians and half are fat because they do not restrict sugar/flour.
Some are very healthy and fit though.
Meat, eggs and dairy IF you know where they come from a healthy/organic source is healthier ( meats) in moderation than sugars and flour. Yeah, I definitely hear what you're saying. I don't see meat as the antichrist or anything, lol.. my body just cannot tolerate it anymore. I stay away from sugar, use stevia in my tea and such and I've cut out while flour for years now. Going raw for a bit helped to 'retrain' me into eating and wanting more fresh fruits and veggies.
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If you have any Hindu temples in your city, check them out for buffets, festivals, etc. I wish :( I live in central Alberta, the beef and conservative christian capital of Canada, lol...
Also try the buffets at Indian restaurants. The larger your city, the more chance of a wide range of regional indian dishes All types of tempting and intriguing dishes to expand your repetoire. My repertoire was definitely expanded in India in that regard, I use turmeric in almost everything, lol..
Today is our monthly Vegan potluck. That's awesome! As far as I know there is nothing like that around here. There is a 7th day adventist church nearby, and I think they put stuff like that on, but you have to be part of the church or invited. | |
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Posted: 7/15/2012 2:11:10 PM | | I've been vegetarian for 30 years. People are still asking the same questions. "What do you eat?" "Vegetation." The main topic of conversation for some over 40 and many over 50 is what new medications are you trying. I get the irritated scowl when I say my medicine cabinet has tooth paste and bandages in it. Don't lie to your taste buds. Food is not an "acquired" taste. Throw away the cook books. Learn to let your body tell you what it wants. I'm still trying to do this. It's got to be something simple. Sea turtles live to 150 years old and nobody teaches them 5 Star cuisine. Sugar stinks. Wheat bread smells like dirt sometimes. I'll sit upwind at your BBQ because I like visiting. I won't try to explain the subtle variations in a foods" perception. You call it a great steak. I call it a wretched stench. Let's leave it at that. I took some aspirin once in 1974. I have no clue what a Tylenol or Tums or any of the other linguistic abominations on TV are for. How are the fish biting in the heat? | |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 4:27:41 PM | | i have joined your ranks, i thought about being a vegetarian and now i actually did it, for 2 days! influences from animal cruelty, health reasons, and from my journey to buddhism. i got to tell you, my body feels great! I plan on being a life long vegetarian:) | |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 1:10:30 AM | With all the plant based food out there..Please tell me how it can be boring other than you only like or know how to prepare certain foods.
A slab of meat is boring without spices/herbs to me.
Do you just miss the high of processed/ sugary foods?
You can get past that with time and learning how to prepare foods. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 3:50:52 AM | | I am becoming to be vegetarian...I can't eat meat anymore. I get so sick when I eat any kind of meat today. I can eat fish. I have so many food allergies & when I eat eggs now I throw them back up. I love devil eggs too! I eat raw mostly & juice. My daughter is vegan. Her food that she cooks up is wonderful. She is a vegan chef too! I will go to a Thanksgiving dinner & I hope I can stomach the food...I do know my body feels great when I eat healthy... | |
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Posted: 1/8/2013 2:08:02 PM | | Switching to a 100% unprocessed plant based diet was one of the easiest things I've ever done relative to the benefits. I did it purely for health reasons, and initially just as a test so I could "say I tried it." A month later, I sometimes wonder why every single person on the planet isn't on this diet. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 3:14:42 AM | Not a scientific report, but the results correspond to other diet reviews
http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-overall-diets
DASH, Ornish, Mayo, Mediterranean (which is actually a traditional style of eating rather than a sythetic dreamed by "nutritionists", who often indict themselves with lies like "a calorie is a calorie") are all very similar, a higher proportion of plant food, and lower proportion of mammal meat and dairy.
btw, "whole grains" ain't that healthy, except when compared to the pathogenic processed grains. Whole grains are almost totally fast carbohydrate. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 8:30:49 AM | | lol, what is a "fast" carbohydrate? | |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 8:45:16 AM | | "lol," google is your friend. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 8:51:54 AM |
"lol," google is your friend.
Nah, I'd rather you explain it to me in your own words. I'm quite curious. | |
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Posted: 1/11/2013 1:51:00 PM |
Nah, I'd rather you explain it to me in your own words. I'm quite curious.
Hope you do not mind unscientific SPEAK, but i think you are joshing myself.
I think they are referring to glycemic load on the body/insulin spikes
A slow carb is one with nutrients, fiber, water and pectins with a lower glycemic load on the body ( not glycemic index of the food) such as fruit, beans or vegetables.
Watermelon is considered a high glycemic index fruit but the water contained in it makes it a low gylcemic load food on the body.
You can have a white potato with skin and throw in some broccoli/cauliflower and it lowers the glycemic load of that potato. You can add olive oil and lower the glycemic load of the potato.
You can have 3 very small potatoes with the skin/fiber/ nutrients over one large one and it has a lower glycemic load that the one potato with a lot of starch inside.
Fast carbs ( higher glycemic load thus higher insulin spikes) would be processed foods like breads/cereals /sugar and even the "HOLY" whole grains wheat, corn,brown/ white rice and oatmeal.
Whole wheat and corn being 2 of the worst for me personally.
I prefer to call them high/low glycemic load foods but the term fast and slow seems to be common.
I really don't know any preachy vegans. I only hear about 'preachy' vegans from non-vegans.
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I have been both vegan and vegetarian and I encountered some of the rudest meat eaters.
Sorry, but men were the most expressive in my experience.
Now I run into the rude..bread/grains/sugar eaters.
You will encounter this on most any healthy lifestyle plan.
Didn't add ( a little) meat and ( a good deal) of organic dairy to my lifestyle to please them but it sure is less bytchin/idiotic questions when I am out eating.
Some think it odd me wanting to know whats in a prepared food..such as sugar or flour.
I ask.
My friends don't mind me pulling out my own home made dressing or asking what is in a seemingly simple food, but they put a lot of sugar in foods, even meat rubs.
You have to ask if its real plain horseradish..You cannot assume anything when out.
I often say I cannot have sugar/flour * whatever* due to health reasons.
That usually shuts them up. | |
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Posted: 1/11/2013 4:01:23 PM |
Hope you do not mind unscientific SPEAK, but i think you are joshing myself.
I think they are referring to glycemic load on the body/insulin spikes
A slow carb is one with nutrients, fiber, water and pectins with a lower glycemic load on the body ( not glycemic index of the food) such as fruit, beans or vegetables.
Watermelon is considered a high glycemic index fruit but the water contained in it makes it a low gylcemic load food on the body.
You can have a white potato with skin and throw in some broccoli/cauliflower and it lowers the glycemic load of that potato. You can add olive oil and lower the glycemic load of the potato.
You can have 3 very small potatoes with the skin/fiber/ nutrients over one large one and it has a lower glycemic load that the one potato with a lot of starch inside.
Fast carbs ( higher glycemic load thus higher insulin spikes) would be processed foods like breads/cereals /sugar and even the "HOLY" whole grains wheat, corn,brown/ white rice and oatmeal.
Whole wheat and corn being 2 of the worst for me personally.
I prefer to call them high/low glycemic load foods but the term fast and slow seems to be common
While glycemic load is of a little more worth than glycemic index, it's still mostly irrelevant if you're eating a meal with other nutrients.
I assume he meant faster digesting carbs, which is a silly concept since it still takes hours to digest the carbs from a meal. Insulin responds to protein too, which most people don't seem to acknowledge for some reason.
There are far more important things that effect insulin sensitivity than the type of carbs you eat... such as getting up off the couch and picking things up. | |
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:38:11 PM | | so RosettastOned, you seem to know all this stuff yet you still asked the question, makes it look like you just wanted an excuse to publicly display your perceived mental superiority, is that the case? | |
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:48:38 PM | No, I wanted an explanation.. I wasn't even asking you so maybe you want to display your whiny ****iness?
I never addressed anything you said, I was talking to somebody else referring to a fast carb. I don't know what a fast carb is. Do you? | |
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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:21:26 PM |
why is it in the mindset of people that meats need to be simulated by vegatable matter?
it's as if a there has to be no psychological loss in eating habits by fooling ourselves in eating stuff that resembles another.
even though tofu is a fabrication, i find it doesn't duplicate any meat to a meaningful extent. Other than this modification of vegetable matter, let's just work with vegetables and not try to mimick meats. there is no need for it. step away from your human thought processes and enjoy plants for what they are.
If you feel the need to simulate so much, just allow yourself a once in a while taste of meat. you won't be killing yourself. no need to play a mind game with yourself.
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I totally agree with this. If I were to become vegetarian/vegan I wouldn't want to eat something that resembles meat. Find a vegetarian/vegan cook book. One that doesn't try to replicate meat products. There are many delicious dishes out there. | |
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