funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 76 | |
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| If you had God in the room with you...
Posted: 11/18/2005 1:12:58 PM | Hold on now, a quick google search brought up these two passages-
Mark 3:29 "But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation."
Mark 9:43-48: "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." (KJV) | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 78 | |
| If you had God in the room with you...
Posted: 11/18/2005 1:21:18 PM | Mark 3 does not say you will burn. eternal damnation is not burning for all time. The bible says that hell was made for the devil and his angels, but ppl who have turned from God to satan will face it as well and it will devour them, the fire is on this earth and once the earth is cleansed the the new earth will be set up.
Mark 9:43-48 OK Do you think God wants ppl to cut things off or he using visuals to tach a point? He is refering to the vally of henna that was basically the dump, they keep the fires burning all the time to keep the smell down. | |
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| If you had God in the room with you...
Posted: 11/18/2005 1:21:37 PM | What other consequences can god offer? trials in life? eternal damnation can be the only punishment for someone who's lived a life of evil, luxury, excess and indulgence. Are the consequences to be drawn out my man? you said yourself that man shall not judge another, but will instead be judged by god...
Pose a simple question, if the consequences faced are not damnation, then what would happen to a man who lived the aforementioned life when he died?
There's something very hypocritical, vain and self serving about a person saying I love you, god loves you, you are my brother and have fun burning in hell all in the same breath.
You're arguing semantics, regardless of where one goes or what happens when one gets there, the intention is the same, you are condemned, damned forever with no chance of redemption
- Note: I used wonka's quote because that's what you attacked, saying the bible doesn't say burn in hell, while it may not say it directly, of course it wouldn't its an elegant piece of literature, it says you will be "devoured into ash" eternally and once again with no chance of redemption. Also, it says if you are not christ's, once again outlining the egocentristic tendencies of christianity | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 80 | |
| If you had God in the room with you...
Posted: 11/18/2005 1:25:07 PM | | Once he was judged if he was not christs then he would be devoured to ash like the bible says and forever would be gone from christ. eternal separation from God. | |
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| If you had God in the room with you...
Posted: 11/18/2005 2:55:35 PM |
I do think there will be people in heaven who never went to church or knew who Jesus was but they were led by the spirit and lived up to the light they had.
ok, I pulled the above message from you on another board, this directly contradicts the statement I quoted below
Once he was judged if he was not christs then he would be devoured to ash like the bible says and forever would be gone from christ. eternal separation from God.
So which is it? where exactly do you stand on this issue as an individual? | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 82 | |
| If you had God in the room with you...
Posted: 11/18/2005 3:02:16 PM | | Its all the same, if you are christs then you have the spirit. Some ppl in parts of the world that are remote might not ever hear of him but he leads them in spirit. ok the bible is clear God and God alone knows the harts of men, he knows if you are his or not. | |
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| If you had God in the room with you...
Posted: 11/18/2005 3:08:29 PM | So first, if an individual lives their life in the pursuit of good and "The Greater Happiness" (thank you John Stuart Mill), yet does not devote themselves to a set of beliefs laid out by a religious institution, will they go to heaven?
Second, are you saying that all deities are valid, so long as they lead down a good and righteous path?
Third, are you willing to say that the bible is the one true voice? or would you concede that other religious teachings/writings are as valid as yours. | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 84 | |
| If you had God in the room with you...
Posted: 11/18/2005 3:13:00 PM | No church or institution of any kind will save you. Its your walk with Jesus.
Second, NO I think there is only one God.
3rd Like what ones? | |
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| If you had God in the room with you...
Posted: 11/18/2005 3:29:30 PM | Ok, a buddhist priest, jewish rabbi, etc... individuals who devote their lives to their individual faiths and the pursuit of their individual religious beliefs... do they get into your christian heaven? or would you regard them as heathens to be "damned"
I didn't mean do you believe in multiple deities, I meant do you think the supreme power referred to in all monotheist religions refers to the same source divinity
.. any monotheist belief (although I would argue than polytheist religions are no less valid, in that the collective of deities could easily refer to the multiple facets necessary of a supreme power), there are many religions in the modern world which follow a single god, wiccan's worship "The Goddess" and the jewish religion worship Moses, and god itself, bypassing the importance of jesus entirely. There are other examples... but they are unnecessary to prove my point | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 86 | |
| If you had God in the room with you...
Posted: 11/18/2005 3:40:46 PM | Ok, a buddhist priest, jewish rabbi, etc... individuals who devote their lives to their individual faiths and the pursuit of their individual religious beliefs... do they get into your christian heaven? or would you regard them as heathens to be "damned"
First its not my heaven God will decide.
John 10 :15,17
15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
John 10:2,4
2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. | |
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| If you had God in the room with you...
Posted: 11/18/2005 3:47:11 PM | | You didn't answer the other questions, don't give me scriptures, give me your interpretations, I'm arguing your opinion/interpretation of the scriptures, not the scriptures, they are vague and metaphorical, open to interpretation, and therefore not a good direct description of your beliefs. | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 89 | |
| If you had God in the room with you...
Posted: 11/18/2005 4:05:18 PM | Look I am trying to share whith you what and why I feel the way I do.
If you dont want me to use scriptures at all even clear as the ones I gave in a religious forum You are more closed then you say I am.
Its clear God calls his his ppl from many places thats why I put them up.
Best way to say it . No man will go to the father but by Jesus. bottom line. | |
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j-roc
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Joined: 5/24/2005
Msg: 91 | |
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| If you had God in the room with you...
Posted: 11/21/2005 10:52:28 PM | .. I assume from the wording of the question that there has already been established that the entity in the "room "with me is in Fact, God... And there is no question as to the authenticity of the "revelation" and I have of course become instantly converted to a believer..like Paul...
Okay and I only get one question??? (God is very busy after all) ...hmmm...
I would have to ask , :
" Lord, discounting freewill and any other excuse dreamed up to CYA the religious leaders throughout time, and leaving aside that as humans we are apparently basically flawed beings with limited preceptive facilities and equipment , and forgetting about all the horror done in Your Name up till now, and all taking into account that the only thing You asked of us was to repent and believe in Your Grace and Love...then why Lord, why did You Choose to leave us in Ignorance, and Terror, and Darkness..when If you wanted us to believe instantaneously..all You needed to do was Write Your Name in the Heavens,...to instantly be seen and understood by every culture throughout our pathetic struggle to understand.... Why did You choose to make us Guess as to whether or not You were there...And not Pronounce it in every language at the same time where we All Heard Your Voice and could not disagree anymore at any time ever as to Who You were and Where...Lord Why???"  | |
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| If you had God in the room with you...
Posted: 11/21/2005 10:58:30 PM | | And there is no good answer to that...unless you want to fall back onto the old tried and useless ,.."thats why it's called "faith""... which even when I wasa minister did not track straight and true like it seemed that it should...now it just sounds like what it is ...a cop out to get away from even attempting to explain an uncomfortable question , or an especially heinous and ugly event like Hurricaine Katrina... | |
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| If you had God in the room with you...
Posted: 11/22/2005 5:19:12 PM | The big kahuna is always portrayed as irratable. So my response would be...
Smile, stand up straight, be courteous
"Need a hand with something?" | |
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| If you had God in the room with you...
Posted: 11/26/2005 5:26:10 PM | Hmm... tough question really.
I'm torn between "where/who is the girl I'm supposed to fall in love with?" and simply smacking him upside the head and yelling "what the hell were you thinking?" | |
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